Best Supported European Clubs?

Ok, assume that ticket prices were all the same, stadiums were of an infinate size and the team being played was of a similar standard, who would pull the biggest crowds?

We obviously know what teams have the biggest fanbase but are these real fans and also could they realistically attend a game due to location?

Regarding the EPL I'd say the best supported teams by quite a long way are Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd and Newcastle.

If I were to rank these I'd say Man Utd would be top, then Arsenal, then Newcastle, then Liverpool, then Spurs.

But how would these compare to Europe?

Serie A seems to get terrible attendances with the exception of a couple of clubs.

The Bundesliga gets very good attendances and La Liga is a mishmash with some teams getting very good crowds and others not fairing so well.

so...

IMO the five top supported EPL teams would make the top 20 for sure and I think four of them would be in the top ten

Most supporters - probably Madrid or Barcelona

Best supporters - Liverpool

FYI

This site tells you which clubs are reaching peak attendances:

http://www.soccer-stats.com/divisions/attendances.asp?divno=1&asid=05

I doubt Newcastle have more fans than Liverpool.

Man United.

@ Roger

Neither Barca or Madrid get 99%+ attendances at their stadiums though do they?

Man Utd now get 76,000 for every game and their stadium is now the same capacity as the Bernabau

@ coop

Not sure - if you see the stat link I posted Newcaslte had 100% and Liverpool had 98% and Newcastles ground holds 7,000 more.

Liverpool have to share the city with Everton whereas Newcaslte have a monopoly on their city and Northumberland

Tweedledum wrote:@ coop

Not sure - if you see the stat link I posted Newcaslte had 100% and Liverpool had 98% and Newcastles ground holds 7,000 more.

Liverpool have to share the city with Everton whereas Newcaslte have a monopoly on their city and Northumberland

that doesnt mean they cant have more fans though, it just means they fit less in the stadium.

I bet Liverpool have alot more fans around the UK than Newcastle do.

The Bernabau hold 80000+ and generally gets 70000+ for each game.

When you say 'Best' supported, do you mean:

Worldwide 'official' supporters - members of the club.

or, attendances at matches.

I think it's Barcelona now that we have won trophies. The stadium doesn't sell out week in week out but that only means the local fans are crap. There are about 1.500 official supporters group around the world and 150,000+ members.

Messiah - what about Barca?

I know you hold 98,000 but what was the average attendance last season?

Hats off to Newcastle.. second highest average attendances


The club that is a perfect case study in how to squander resources..

Tweedledum wrote:@ coop

Not sure - if you see the stat link I posted Newcaslte had 100% and Liverpool had 98% and Newcastles ground holds 7,000 more.

Liverpool have to share the city with Everton whereas Newcaslte have a monopoly on their city and Northumberland

I guess also that it depends on how many competitions you're in? Man U, Liverpool, and Arsenal fans are all pretty blasé about the League Cup for example.

I reckon that Liverpool would sell out 50-55,000 seats for league games.

Its no surprise to EPL followers, after all they had the second largest stadium

they get fanatical support though.

Aren't pathletico well supported?

Barcelona Avg

73225

Highest

98295

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/2000/aveesp.htm

@ roger

Its onlt league statistics though

Also now that the reserved matters for the planning app have been sorted has there been any further info on you lot securing the funds for the move to Stanley Park?

So averagewise Barca are less supported than Man Utd.

I think that Arsenal wouldn't have a problem filling their stadium up to 70,000 + above that I'm not so sure

Rumours of an extension to St James' Park are circulating in Newcastle, now obviously i'm not taking them seriously as it wouldn't make sense right now for a number of reasons.

But imagine this beast...



Maybe it'll happen someday.

So this season unless Barca's or Madrid's go up, Man United should have the highest average attendance around 75,000.

@ kimbo

One side could be expanded - the front part that has all the steps in front of it, but the lowest side has that line of building behind it and some of them are listed so I doubt it could happen.

you could make it a 3/4 beast though

@ parky

Dortmunds is over 80,000 but they only pay a pittence of what Man Utd fans have to so its difficult to equate.

I think you are the best supported in Europe though and IMO if you had a capacity of 100,000 your seasons average would be about 90,000 - ie 100,000 for the big games and 80,000 for the small ones

Tweedledum wrote:@ kimbo

One side could be expanded - the front part that has all the steps in front of it, but the lowest side has that line of building behind it and some of them are listed so I doubt it could happen.

you could make it a 3/4 beast though

I'm pretty sure it could be done, it would just depend on how much money you would be willing to throw at it. We would have to somehow get rid of the listed buildings at we would have to buy the metro station and fill it in.

@ kimbo

I'm a town planner, it is VERY difficult to delist a row of buildings - not unless its for some sort of government project usually ie a railway or airport or something.

I doubt it'll happen, but you can still get 60,000 with the increase on the other part

We could easily fill 80,000 IMO.

Two pics from the Camp Nou last season when it was a sell out

Madrid:



Milan:

Tweedledum wrote:@ kimbo

I'm a town planner, it is VERY difficult to delist a row of buildings - not unless its for some sort of government project usually ie a railway or airport or something.

I doubt it'll happen, but you can still get 60,000 with the increase on the other part

What if there's big public support? I mean, most don't even know why these buildings are listed, they're just a bit old. Knock em down i say, extention or no extention.

You have to apply to English heritage and then they assess the buildings on their merit.

If there was enough support then it might happen - it depends what grade listing they are. There are three grades, II, II* and I.

Grade II wouldn't be impossible to delist, grade II* would be tough, grade I don't even think about it but they won't be grade I - Grade I are usually buildings over 500 years old - ie the Tower of London

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2) Dortmund-72627
3) Real-71544
4) Man Utd-68765
5) Bayern-67641
6) Schalke 04-61299
7) Milan 60000
8 ) Hamburger SV-52629
9) N.Castle-52032
10) Inter-51371

BilalShah wrote:We could easily fill 80,000 IMO.

Yep, the amount of aplications for tickets is huge.