Do the Under 21s have better Wingers than the first team?

Strange thinking here, or is it?

Agbonlahor, Walcott and Routledge are all raw fast and direct.

Compare this to:
SWP, Downing and Richardson.

SWP could be the best of the lot but hasnt performed consistently well for two years now. I think he does have a good enough touch but has to perform at his best which he blatantly has not, regardless of what his dad may think.
Stewart "i beat my man five times in a match" downing has been droppded after failing to beat his man. My opinion on him has always been the same: he is a good squad player for England but is far too one dimensional for international class.
Finally we come to Richardson who is just awful....thats all really. He isnt even a winger.

Now, on this seasons form, the trio for the under 21 are miles ahead with their performances. Routledge and Walcott have both looked good, and Agbonlahor has been lively...

What do you think?

walcott is probably better than downing and richardson on the left. lennon swp id prefer over those right ones

i say they should be tried. i also say that to an extent good fitness and raw pace are as good as skill. thats why i dont think joe cole should be on the wing

it's easier to look good against poorer opposition..

englands first choice wingers are lennon, gerrard and cole... none of these players better than this..

with agbon and walcott it's too early to judge..

i like routledge but he can barely get a start in the premiership so hard to argue his case..

in time these player may be better... but at the minute it's certianly a no

Keano Is God wrote:i say they should be tried. i also say that to an extent good fitness and raw pace are as good as skill. thats why i dont think joe cole should be on the wing

Disagree wuth you. Joe COle has not been played in the centre and is great in the wing.
To preserve traditional english football though, we still need to have one traditional "whip the ball in from the touchline player"
Joe Cole can cut inside and create play which when he is on form , is great and needed at International level. Especially as we have nothing resembling a play maker in the centre.

Also, does anyone else find it ironic that Mcclaren wants the ball bourght wide and crossed in and then he plays Gerrard on the right?

COTR wrote:it's easier to look good against poorer opposition..

englands first choice wingers are lennon, gerrard and cole... none of these players better than this..

with agbon and walcott it's too early to judge..

i like routledge but he can barely get a start in the premiership so hard to argue his case..

in time these player may be better... but at the minute it's certianly a no

yeh, i know i didnt take Englands first choice wingers but with those three versus those current three...

Kevin wrote:

COTR wrote:it's easier to look good against poorer opposition..

englands first choice wingers are lennon, gerrard and cole... none of these players better than this..

with agbon and walcott it's too early to judge..

i like routledge but he can barely get a start in the premiership so hard to argue his case..

in time these player may be better... but at the minute it's certianly a no

yeh, i know i didnt take Englands first choice wingers but with those three versus those current three...

would you really want to ruin these players confidence though throwing them into that shambles of a team???

in a year or so i think richardson and downing will not be anywhere near this team but at the minute they are just too young and inexperienced

why not give them a chance if they continue to do well. Walcott's goals were good last night and ag-bong-lawhore has looked good for villa.

Id take either of them over downing.

Kevin wrote:

Keano Is God wrote:i say they should be tried. i also say that to an extent good fitness and raw pace are as good as skill. thats why i dont think joe cole should be on the wing

Disagree wuth you. Joe COle has not been played in the centre and is great in the wing.
To preserve traditional english football though, we still need to have one traditional "whip the ball in from the touchline player"
Joe Cole can cut inside and create play which when he is on form , is great and needed at International level. Especially as we have nothing resembling a play maker in the centre.

Also, does anyone else find it ironic that Mcclaren wants the ball bourght wide and crossed in and then he plays Gerrard on the right?

joe cole's original position was number 10, the behind the strikers role. therfor joe cole should be the playmaker

COTR wrote:

Kevin wrote:

COTR wrote:it's easier to look good against poorer opposition..

englands first choice wingers are lennon, gerrard and cole... none of these players better than this..

with agbon and walcott it's too early to judge..

i like routledge but he can barely get a start in the premiership so hard to argue his case..

in time these player may be better... but at the minute it's certianly a no

yeh, i know i didnt take Englands first choice wingers but with those three versus those current three...

would you really want to ruin these players confidence though throwing them into that shambles of a team???

in a year or so i think richardson and downing will not be anywhere near this team but at the minute they are just too young and inexperienced

haha...
Fair enough but it is still painful watching Richardson for England.
Especially when we are constantly told of our great strength and depth

Keano Is God wrote:

Kevin wrote:

Keano Is God wrote:i say they should be tried. i also say that to an extent good fitness and raw pace are as good as skill. thats why i dont think joe cole should be on the wing

Disagree wuth you. Joe COle has not been played in the centre and is great in the wing.
To preserve traditional english football though, we still need to have one traditional "whip the ball in from the touchline player"
Joe Cole can cut inside and create play which when he is on form , is great and needed at International level. Especially as we have nothing resembling a play maker in the centre.

Also, does anyone else find it ironic that Mcclaren wants the ball bourght wide and crossed in and then he plays Gerrard on the right?

joe cole's original position was number 10, the behind the strikers role. therfor joe cole should be the playmaker

Original position. Current position is a winger who cuts inside a la bobby pires.
Also, an on form Rooney can play that position better than joe Cole and whilst Rooney is not the ebst thing since bread came sliced, he is still a very good player when on form which i presume he will return to.

joe cole turned into that by mourinho and could easily get back to his best as free player. rooney cannot play ther. u need certain amount of skill and passing and great football brain to do that. rooney= beast , joe cole=rapier (a la zidane, totti)

Keano Is God wrote:joe cole turned into that by mourinho and could easily get back to his best as free player. rooney cannot play ther. u need certain amount of skill and passing and great football brain to do that. rooney= beast , joe cole=rapier (a la zidane, totti)

Rooney may be a beast but he still has a good touch and gets a large amounts of Assists.
How about:
----------Carrick-Hargreaves---------
----Gerrard-----Rooney------Cole
---------------Crouch/Ashton?--------

Best of both worlds.

Downing and Pennant were also brilliant for the U21s

Routledge is better than any English winger - he's a hybid of Lennon and Pennant , with extra tricks.

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Rooney should be pulled into line - if he's not going to do the no.10 role right then J.Cole should take over - I hear it's not such a bad thing to make the most naturally talented player in the team the focal point - he's a genuine fantasy player

Milner as well remember.

He was in the top three assisters in the EPL last season

Tweedledum wrote:Milner as well remember.

He was in the top three assisters in the EPL last season

Routledge had 9 in 2004-05

I'm sure that would've put him in the top 5.

Downing got 11 in 2004/2005

Can't believe how can England stopped to produce the kind of players we most admire: true strikers and wingers.

doninha wrote:Can't believe how can England stopped to produce the kind of players we most admire: true strikers and wingers.

We haven't stoppesd producing them.

We just don't play them

Downing, Routledge, Pennant, Milner, SWP, Agbonlahor , Walcott Ashley Young, Lennon etc.

Most of them get stuck in the U21's

We do seems to struggle producing good strikers though.

Compare our lot to that of France/Spain/Holland/Italy

@Teamspirit,

sorry, but none of those wingers are real pure quality. Some might turn to be class, but most of them are average and much inferior to most big teams wingers.

Gerrard is a good winger.

Cole is a good player - maybe not the best winger though.

milner routledge are no better than richardson, milner barely gets in a newcastle team, and routledge spurs keep loaning him out, then he is he eve getting in the team he has been loaned out too?

lennon cole only decent wingers we have right now, walcott will be ready come 2008. heskey could do a better job on the left than richardson and downing.

l r d wrote:milner routledge are no better than richardson, milner barely gets in a newcastle team, and routledge spurs keep loaning him out, then he is he eve getting in the team he has been loaned out too?

lennon cole only decent wingers we have right now, walcott will be ready come 2008. heskey could do a better job on the left than richardson and downing.

Routledge is better than Richardson.

Pace = Even
Skill = Routledge
Crossing = Routledge
Set Pieces = Even
Passing = Routledge
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Don't want to get into it now, but he broke his foot on his debut forus, was out for 3 months, Lennon came iin and made a big impact, and the rest is history. Terribly bad luck.

He was easily our best player in that pre-season, and was impressive again in this one.You can see by his U21 performances and his Crystal Palace form that the boy has quality.

l r d wrote:milner routledge are no better than richardson, milner barely gets in a newcastle team, and routledge spurs keep loaning him out, then he is he eve getting in the team he has been loaned out too?

lennon cole only decent wingers we have right now, walcott will be ready come 2008. heskey could do a better job on the left than richardson and downing.

Milner is better than Richardson.

Pace = Even
Skill = Even
Crossing = Milner
Set Pieces = Milner
Passing = Milner
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Third highest assister in the EPL last season.

He rotates in the Newcastle squad but even if he couldn't get in at all it would only be because Roeder knows sweet FA about football

Tweeds. Toucheé as you would say

That should actually go down as copyright infringement.

TeamSpirit wrote:

l r d wrote:milner routledge are no better than richardson, milner barely gets in a newcastle team, and routledge spurs keep loaning him out, then he is he eve getting in the team he has been loaned out too?

lennon cole only decent wingers we have right now, walcott will be ready come 2008. heskey could do a better job on the left than richardson and downing.

Routledge is better than Richardson.

Pace = Even
Skill = Routledge
Crossing = Routledge
Set Pieces = Even
Passing = Routledge
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Don't want to get into it now, but he broke his foot on his debut forus, was out for 3 months, Lennon came iin and made a big impact, and the rest is history. Terribly bad luck.

He was easily our best player in that pre-season, and was impressive again in this one.You can see by his U21 performances and his Crystal Palace form that the boy has quality.

I liked him at palace, but the fact is if he is not getting into these teams then there is a problem. Richardson is at man utd it is more understandable, when he got regular football he looked very good aswell. So i fail to see how routledge can be judged as better.
Lennon maybe is a lot faster for you, so you think routledge more raw ability, but lennon is on a different level.



Tweedle milner is in no way better.
Milner is better than Richardson.

Pace = Even no richardson is faster
Skill = Even
Crossing = Milner
Set Pieces = Milner No richardson is better at free kicks
Passing = Milner
shooting = richardson
This isnt the critera to rate players anyway. 3rd assister you sure? i know drogba rooney ronaldo cole all had 10+ i imagine henry did aswell. probably lampard aswell
Milner is an ok winger but nothing special, you cant bash richardson then praise milner, he is no better. neither should be in the england frame.
Richardson best position is central anyway

Set pieces entail everything Lrd - how many freem kicks has Richardson scored again?

Milner was Aston Villa's corner taker last season and the stats are there to see.

I think you will also find that Milner score more than Ricardson last season.

Richardsons reputation is long overdue a downgrading - 2 international games and you lot regard him as some sort of God! what exactly has he done at your club? fuck all.....

Richardson's inclusion is a joke, considering the amount of games he plays.

He needs to go to another club either on loan or even sold and make his own way in the world.