United 2-0 Liverpool, my perspective

Obi your not understanding he distinction between 'best team' and 'winners of a competition' we won the competition and proved on the nights we played the opposition that we beat them.

If you were attempting to find 'the best team in Europe' you would almost certainly have to include all competitions that particular team had played in, the style and ability of the team collectively.

You could also take for example a table of W D L of all competitions for a particular club, and liverpool certainly wouldn't have finished top of that pile.

Its not just as simple as to say 'We won the champions league, we are the best team in Europe'

But where would the fairness be in comparing W D L records of all competitions, given the fluxuations in quality throughout the league.

The European cup is designed so we don't have to through such an elaborate scoring system.

come on obispo admit it!!!!!

Oww FFS Liverpool lost as well as I just see it...How was Kuyt today? Was it a thrilling game that I should see on MOTD or a bit borring? Anyway Scholes scored, so I think im gonna watch the game then..

Obispo wrote:Seems to be an accurate enough guage when Barcelona win it... or AC Milan win it.

Not when Porto or Liverpool do though.

Exactly - only ocassionally does the 'best' team win. Last year it happened.

Winning the treble EPL, FA Cup and the Champions league in the same season would give you more of a honour to say your team is the best in Europe would you not agree.........

Fey wrote:How was Kuyt today? :

I honestly couldn't criticise him because he had a single chance. Granted, he should have done better, but he wasn't given the chance to redeem himself.

Worked his ass off though, so is one of the few who I actually think came out of the game with any sort of dignity intact. Fought, hussled and harried for 90 minutes, even if the quality wasn't there.

Lacked support today immensly, he looked sharp and enthusiastic on the few occassions he had the opportunity to show.

Obispo wrote:

Fey wrote:How was Kuyt today? :

I honestly couldn't criticise him because he had a single chance. Granted, he should have done better, but he wasn't given the chance to redeem himself.

Worked his ass off though, so is one of the few who I actually think came out of the game with any sort of dignity intact. Fought, hussled and harried for 90 minutes, even if the quality wasn't there.

Well that's sounds at least better then the game I went to...No quality and no hardworking men on the pitch..

Totally off the subject, but Rio's goal was absolute class

@fey, I thought it was a good game, worht a watch on highlights: with some moments of excellent football in periods, mostly from United; but until United scored Liverpool looked pretty decent aswell. I agree with whoever made the comment that Liverpool seemed to lack a player of genuine flair like Ronaldo/Rooney to turn the game.

Scholes was MOTM, Liverpool's best player was Sissoko.

Not sure what N8Wings's problem was with Carrick either- made a few miplaced passes due to the speed the game was being played, but generally Carrick and Scholes dominated the midfiled against Alonso and Sissoko - which is no mean feat taking into account the usual quality of these two players...

@Fey

It was a boring game...

Hmm don't know who to believe anymore But I want to see the Arsenal game as well so Im gonna watch it then.

So happy for Gary Cooper(Scholes) that he scored in his 500 match for Utd. Not only a great footballer that scores Lampard goals without deflections but also the ultimate professional I think.

@ Fey

It was one amazing game, breathtaking, end to end stuff

Rio scored the goal of the month .. Scholes was at his best .. Fletcher dominated Alonso ..

Crouch nearly was taken out by Vidic and that 'player' Crouch should have been sent off.

RvP scored the goal of the year in this month so it can't be Rio!

ricardojol wrote:RvP scored the goal of the year in this month so it can't be Rio!

goal of the month By a defender?

rai Mihawk wrote:

ricardojol wrote:RvP scored the goal of the year in this month so it can't be Rio!

goal of the month By a defender?

Whilst nothing will probably come close to RVP's all season, it was indeed a sublime goal by Rio. That first touch was marvellous for any player, let alone a defender.

Still think he's the "shittest defender in Europe" ricardo??

@Fey- the Arsenal match was excellent. Arsenal were absolutely superb.

rai Mihawk wrote:@ Fey

It was one amazing game, breathtaking, end to end stuff

Rio scored the goal of the month .. Scholes was at his best .. Fletcher dominated Alonso ..

Crouch nearly was taken out by Vidic and that 'player' Crouch should have been sent off.

Is that a joke? The match was so completely devoid of quality it's not true! The game was high octane stuff, no doubt - but it was poor quality football. Watch Arsenal vs Reading for the real deal.

rai Mihawk wrote:

ricardojol wrote:RvP scored the goal of the year in this month so it can't be Rio!

goal of the month By a defender?

What you want....Rio wins the goal of the month by a defender...!

Freddie Or Not wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:@ Fey

It was one amazing game, breathtaking, end to end stuff

Rio scored the goal of the month .. Scholes was at his best .. Fletcher dominated Alonso ..

Crouch nearly was taken out by Vidic and that 'player' Crouch should have been sent off.

Is that a joke? The match was so completely devoid of quality it's not true! The game was high octane stuff, no doubt - but it was poor quality football. Watch Arsenal vs Reading for the real deal.

It wasnt a classic, but it certainly wasnt devoid of quality. No game involving the ginger genius that is Scholes can be said to be devoid of quality And to use a well versed cliche: Rio's goal had quality written all over it

Freddie Or Not wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:@ Fey

It was one amazing game, breathtaking, end to end stuff

Rio scored the goal of the month .. Scholes was at his best .. Fletcher dominated Alonso ..

Crouch nearly was taken out by Vidic and that 'player' Crouch should have been sent off.

Is that a joke? The match was so completely devoid of quality it's not true! The game was high octane stuff, no doubt - but it was poor quality football. Watch Arsenal vs Reading for the real deal.

agreed... game was shocking quality wise... united were shit... but we were just horrific.. worst passing display i have ever seen from liverpool

Vds, Nev, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Rooney, Saha.

Ferdinand, Fletcher & Giggs.
Scholes.


Sissoko.

Reina, Finnan, Carra, Hyypia, Riise, Garcia, Gonzalez, Alonso, Kuyt

Gerrard.

Had a good day Parks..............

Excellent.

COTR wrote:

Freddie Or Not wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:@ Fey

It was one amazing game, breathtaking, end to end stuff

Rio scored the goal of the month .. Scholes was at his best .. Fletcher dominated Alonso ..

Crouch nearly was taken out by Vidic and that 'player' Crouch should have been sent off.

Is that a joke? The match was so completely devoid of quality it's not true! The game was high octane stuff, no doubt - but it was poor quality football. Watch Arsenal vs Reading for the real deal.

agreed... game was shocking quality wise... united were shit... but we were just horrific.. worst passing display i have ever seen from liverpool

where you get that from?

Parky - that's just brilliant.

Liverpool looked heavy legged. They aren't a one-man team... far from it - as Hansen was trying to make out, but they were desperatrely poor today.

United used their superior team speed to great effect, keeping the tempo high and getting right to the heart of Liverpool's slow back-line. The only liverpool player who seemed to put up a fight for me were Sissoko, Kuyt & Gonzalez, who are all known for having good mobility.

Giggs, and especially Scholes were absolute class - and Rio showed that he's on another level to many other Centre-Back's *cough* Carragher *cough*. Wonderful strike

Whose in the cough? the UNIT?

Tweedledum wrote:Whose in the cough? the UNIT?

That one who wears no.23 for 'Pool. They call him Carradona as he meant to be a rich man's Carlos Puyol

King > Carra (and everyone else)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006490045,00.html

Sun's view. Gerrard the same as Rooney, Saha, Evra and even fucking Vidic.

Parks Lives wrote:
Reina, Finnan, Carra, Hyypia, Riise, Garcia, Gonzalez, Alonso, Kuyt

Unfair.

Reina made a few good saves, Gonzalez atleast beat his man a few times and Kuyt worked his arse off despite lacking quality.

I'll give you the rest. It was the worst performance I've seen since we went 11-odd games without a win.