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I think your midfield isn't creative enough. Apart from that, your squad is excellent
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Agooner wrote:Owen Thomas wrote:TeamSpiritwrote:@ Agooner - you fully deserved that win, I think 1-0 flattered United if I'm honest. You should've won by 2 or 3... but to say United weren't anything better than inept is vey gernerous. O'Shea & Rooneyon that day in particular.
but even so, 3 Promoted teams and another relegation candidate?
Did you people watch a completely different game to me? Personally I remember Lehmann pulling off a superb save at the death and getting hit in the face point blank one on one with Ronaldo.
I can accept saying we deserved to lose 0-1, but 2/3? You have got to be kidding me.
Don't bother OT, arsenal fans are now used to this, we are never given the credit we deserve; whenever we beat a top team it's because the team played its worst game in ages. When we beat a midtable table team, it's because they didn't rough us up properly.
Errr, don't misunderstand which side I am on
I think you deserved a 0-1 victory. What I was saying is that it was narrow. TS saying we deserved to lose 2/3-0 is just too much for me. I am finding people saying left right and center that we were dominated by Arsenal. We were not.
Also, I do think we have a better squad then Arsenal and will hopefully go some way to showing that at Ashburton.
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Kevin wrote:You think Man utds midfield is better than Arsenals?
And central defence, you arent short there in personnel but if you play Bouah in the centre, then you only have ferreira for right back.
Ronaldo, Giggs and Scholes ring any bells?
It's tight.
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Agooner wrote:@ S4P
I think your midfield isn't creative enough. Apart from that, your squad is excellent
I wasn't thinking creativity, I was thinking efficiency. If you're talking about creativity wise, Arsenal & United > Chelsea. If you're talking about efficiency wise Chelsea > Arsenal & United, because of the ability to grind out results, and stop teams from attacking (as much as possible).
It depends on which way you look at it
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S4P wrote:Agooner wrote:@ S4P
I think your midfield isn't creative enough. Apart from that, your squad is excellent
I wasn't thinking creativity, I was thinking efficiency. If you're talking about creativity wise, Arsenal & United > Chelsea. If you're talking about efficiency wise Chelsea > Arsenal & United, because of the ability to grind out results, and stop teams from attacking (as much as possible).
It depends on which way you look at it
Agreed but I would rather face Arsenal's to be honest. Essien scares me.
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Owen Thomas wrote:Kevin wrote:You think Man utds midfield is better than Arsenals?
And central defence, you arent short there in personnel but if you play Bouah in the centre, then you only have ferreira for right back.
Ronaldo, Giggs and Scholes ring any bells?
It's tight.
yeh it is but i just think the total lack of any remotely good defensive midfielder or ball winner edges it for us.
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Kevin wrote:Owen Thomas wrote:Kevin wrote:You think Man utds midfield is better than Arsenals?
And central defence, you arent short there in personnel but if you play Bouah in the centre, then you only have ferreira for right back.
Ronaldo, Giggs and Scholes ring any bells?
It's tight.
yeh it is but i just think the total lack of any remotely good defensive midfielder or ball winner edges it for us.
It depends if you rate Carrick or not. I can see why people don't at the moment. He is totally ineffective at present.
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Owen Thomas wrote:Manchester United Team Statistics Arsenal
0 Goals 1
0 1st Half Goals 0
5 Shots on Target 6
6 Shots off Target 7
4 Blocked Shots 3
10 Corners 5
12 Fouls 13
4 Offsides 4
2 Yellow Cards 2
0 Red Cards 0
78.8 Passing Success 80.5
33 Tackles 26
81.8 Tackles Success 84.6
48.5 Possession 51.5
49 Territorial Advantage 51
Don't believe the rose tinted hype
Those stats, for Man Utd at home to anyone, is completely unacceptable.
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@Agooner - I'm not belittleling Arsenal. When you get going, you still by some distance play the best "pure" football in the country. But you are helped when opponents don't even try to get at your weaknesses.
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S4P wrote:Agooner wrote:@ S4P
I think your midfield isn't creative enough. Apart from that, your squad is excellent
I wasn't thinking creativity, I was thinking efficiency. If you're talking about creativity wise, Arsenal & United > Chelsea. If you're talking about efficiency wise Chelsea > Arsenal & United, because of the ability to grind out results, and stop teams from attacking (as much as possible).
It depends on which way you look at it
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MICHAEL CARRICK IS NOT A BALL-WINNER! 
I knew this would happen when United failed to get Hargreaves.
The signed a Pirlo, whern they needed a Gattuso - hardly his fault
It's hardly helping that Scholes is rolling back the years and dominating the playmaking duties as well.
I knew this would happen when United failed to get Hargreaves.
The signed a Pirlo, whern they needed a Gattuso - hardly his fault
It's hardly helping that Scholes is rolling back the years and dominating the playmaking duties as well.
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TeamSpiritOwen Thomas wrote:Manchester United Team Statistics Arsenal
0 Goals 1
0 1st Half Goals 0
5 Shots on Target 6
6 Shots off Target 7
4 Blocked Shots 3
10 Corners 5
12 Fouls 13
4 Offsides 4
2 Yellow Cards 2
0 Red Cards 0
78.8 Passing Success 80.5
33 Tackles 26
81.8 Tackles Success 84.6
48.5 Possession 51.5
49 Territorial Advantage 51
Don't believe the rose tinted hype
Those stats, for Man Utd at home to anyone, is completely unacceptable.
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@Agooner - I'm not belittleling Arsenal. When you get going, you still by some distance play the best "pure" football in the country. But you are helped when opponents don't even try to get at your weaknesses.
Whether we are home or away has no relevance when evaluating our actual performance against Arsenal.
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if only he could pass forwards.
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Wow, suprise comment off the day there.
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TeamSpiritOwen Thomas wrote:Manchester United Team Statistics Arsenal
0 Goals 1
0 1st Half Goals 0
5 Shots on Target 6
6 Shots off Target 7
4 Blocked Shots 3
10 Corners 5
12 Fouls 13
4 Offsides 4
2 Yellow Cards 2
0 Red Cards 0
78.8 Passing Success 80.5
33 Tackles 26
81.8 Tackles Success 84.6
48.5 Possession 51.5
49 Territorial Advantage 51
Don't believe the rose tinted hype
Those stats, for Man Utd at home to anyone, is completely unacceptable.
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@Agooner - I'm not belittleling Arsenal. When you get going, you still by some distance play the best "pure" football in the country. But you are helped when opponents don't even try to get at your weaknesses.
TS, you've got to accept it: United were not bad against us. It was a close encounter which we ended up winning because we were better on the day.
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I knew this would happen when United failed to get Hargreaves.
The signed a Pirlo, whern they needed a Gattuso - hardly his fault
It's hardly helping that Scholes is rolling back the years and dominating the playmaking duties as well.
You are right but at the moment he isn't even looking like a 10+m player. Even his passing has been a bit wayward.
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He's the type of player who you build the team around to get the best out of him. Jol did that, and you saw how good he can be last season...Owen Thomas wrote:TeamSpirit
I knew this would happen when United failed to get Hargreaves.
The signed a Pirlo, whern they needed a Gattuso - hardly his fault
It's hardly helping that Scholes is rolling back the years and dominating the playmaking duties as well.
You are right but at the moment he isn't even looking like a 10+m player. Even his passing has been a bit wayward.
Is Riquelme average because Barcelona didn't builed the team around him, and as a result, he failed? Of course not. Look at the Argentine national team over the last 2 years, and Villareal for proof.
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Anyway, Arsenal are definitely looking dangerous, I just feel they will lose more points against the really low struggling sides over Christmas.
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TeamSpiritHe's the type of player who you build the team around to get the best out of him. Jol did that, and you saw how good he can be last season...Owen Thomas wrote:TeamSpirit
I knew this would happen when United failed to get Hargreaves.
The signed a Pirlo, whern they needed a Gattuso - hardly his fault
It's hardly helping that Scholes is rolling back the years and dominating the playmaking duties as well.
You are right but at the moment he isn't even looking like a 10+m player. Even his passing has been a bit wayward.
Is Riquelme average because Barcelona didn't builed the team around him, and as a result, he failed? Of course not. Look at the Argentine national team over the last 2 years, and Villareal for proof.
Good point but we shouldn't build a team around him because there are better players in the squad ability wise. He has to adapt to us or he'll be gone in a few years. This is his chance and he is not taking it.
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I'll stop hijacking the thread with Man U stuff now
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It would be foolish to build a team around carrick when u have rooney and ronaldo in the team.
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Agooner wrote:It would be foolish to build a team around carrick when u have rooney and ronaldo in the team.
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TeamSpiritHe's the type of player who you build the team around to get the best out of him. Jol did that, and you saw how good he can be last season...Owen Thomas wrote:TeamSpirit
I knew this would happen when United failed to get Hargreaves.
The signed a Pirlo, whern they needed a Gattuso - hardly his fault
It's hardly helping that Scholes is rolling back the years and dominating the playmaking duties as well.
You are right but at the moment he isn't even looking like a 10+m player. Even his passing has been a bit wayward.
Is Riquelme average because Barcelona didn't builed the team around him, and as a result, he failed? Of course not. Look at the Argentine national team over the last 2 years, and Villareal for proof.
both teams look(ed) good but what have they won?Nothing! he isn't average but very overrated here by u and obispo
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Well it can work...Agooner wrote:It would be foolish to build a team around carrick when u have rooney and ronaldo in the team.
----------------Carrick-------Hargreaves/New DM
Ronaldo---------------Rooney------------------Giggs
--------------------------Saha.
But with Scholes in the team, and playing well, Carrick is looking like a pointless signing righ now.
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Agooner wrote:TeamSpirit
Is Riquelme average because Barcelona didn't builed the team around him, and as a result, he failed? Of course not. Look at the Argentine national team over the last 2 years, and Villareal for proof.
both teams look(ed) good but what have they won?Nothing! he isn't average but very overrated here by u and obispo
Not again...
A Club with no previous historical major successes, and the team who played the best football at the WC.
Germany only got back into it once he'd been taken off - hardly his fault.
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TeamSpirit™ wrote:Well it can work...Agooner wrote:It would be foolish to build a team around carrick when u have rooney and ronaldo in the team.
----------------Carrick-------Hargreaves/New DM
Ronaldo---------------Rooney------------------Giggs
--------------------------Saha.
But with Scholes in the team, and playing well, Carrick is looking like a pointless signing righ now.
Actually I would agree with that. I would guess Carrick is a long term replacement for Scholes though. He wont go on forever. Until that time though he has to show he is good enough. He can't continue to wait for the ball.
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@Owen: for me both squads are tight, because Chelsea is indeed short - if CFC had more (natural and quality) central defenders, it would be the best one for me. And in terms of what I think it lacks Arsenal - the right mindset of warrior/rational - they are the best.
@S4P: well, I don't if its an outsider view, or just a problem of no backup from midfield, but I always get the sense the defence is fragile and can be shaken. Although at this point the figures fail to back me up on this.
@S4P: well, I don't if its an outsider view, or just a problem of no backup from midfield, but I always get the sense the defence is fragile and can be shaken. Although at this point the figures fail to back me up on this.
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TeamSpiritAgooner wrote:TeamSpirit
Is Riquelme average because Barcelona didn't builed the team around him, and as a result, he failed? Of course not. Look at the Argentine national team over the last 2 years, and Villareal for proof.
both teams look(ed) good but what have they won?Nothing! he isn't average but very overrated here by u and obispo
Not again...
A Club with no previous historical major successes, and the team who played the best football at the WC.
Germany only got back into it once he'd been taken off - hardly his fault.
Yes the argies were ajoy to watch but I personally think Ivory coast played the best football in germany, not the most effective though. They even dominated the argentines in their 2-1 loss to them.
Back t o my point earlier, Riquelme is one of the best players in the world but i would name atleast 10 players top clubs would rather have than him. He is very very overrated here.
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I rate Pirlo over Riquelme for a start.
I do think he is overrated by this board.
I do think he is overrated by this board.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVjp1yrTBDc
I rate him because of his Boca expliots more than here - he hasn't been half as good since, but he's still one of the top 5 players in the world for me.
Villareal put all their eggs in one basket - and he delivered.
I rate him because of his Boca expliots more than here - he hasn't been half as good since, but he's still one of the top 5 players in the world for me.
Villareal put all their eggs in one basket - and he delivered.
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Owen Thomas wrote:I rate Pirlo over Riquelme for a start.
I do think he is overrated by this board.