Players some people just go on and on about

but you never seen anything from them when you've seen them play.

I think someone (edit: EM La Liga) in the other thread mentioned Gomez and Ibrahimovic.

Another one is Luis Suarez.

I actually think most young German "talent" falls into this category

Chiellini

Haven't been impressed from what I've seen of him so far. That would include the games against Chelsea and the Confederations Cup.

Euro 2008 though?

Looks like this will just be a Totti and Ibra bashing thread.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Euro 2008 though?

Looks like this will just be a Totti and Ibra bashing thread.

Totti? who mentioned Totti?

toon h wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Euro 2008 though?

Looks like this will just be a Totti and Ibra bashing thread.

Totti? who mentioned Totti?

No one yet, but his name would typically come up in a thread like this.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Euro 2008 though?

Looks like this will just be a Totti and Ibra bashing thread.

I didn't see much of him. It's just an observation. I'll be seeing more of him this season and hopefully he changes my perception.

toon h wrote:I actually think most young German "talent" falls into this category

The problem is that you never watch them play to begin with...

blutgraetsche wrote:

toon h wrote:I actually think most young German "talent" falls into this category

The problem is that you never watch them play to begin with...

this is part of the entire problem and the question I am posing. People that watch this kind of players all the time think they are brilliant, but then other posters that watch an occasional game can be left wondering what's so special about them.

Same with some players in Holland. It is easy enough to look a world beater in the Eredivisie but I usually only see the European games of these teams and then they almost always disappoint.

Ray Parlour wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Euro 2008 though?

Looks like this will just be a Totti and Ibra bashing thread.

I didn't see much of him. It's just an observation. I'll be seeing more of him this season and hopefully he changes my perception.

Well he was good in Euro 2008 - managed to keep Villa and Torres quiet which is something no other team managed.

I agree that he had a poor confed cup. In the first leg against Chelsea he made a really stupid error by playing Drogba onside for his goal and was generally poor with his positioning all night. 2nd leg he did much better and was unfairly sent off.

Ray Parlour wrote:Chiellini

Haven't been impressed from what I've seen of him so far. That would include the games against Chelsea and the Confederations Cup.

He was their best player by a mile in the Euros.

toon h wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

toon h wrote:I actually think most young German "talent" falls into this category

The problem is that you never watch them play to begin with...

this is part of the entire problem and the question I am posing. People that watch this kind of players all the time think they are brilliant, but then other posters that watch an occasional game can be left wondering what's so special about them.

Same with some players in Holland. It is easy enough to look a world beater in the Eredivisie but I usually only see the European games of these teams and then they almost always disappoint.

Same with Henry aswell.

Aguero never seems to have a good game when I watch him, probably because he had some fitness problems last season. Pato on the other hand is the opposite, always seems to score when I see him play.

Just one of those strange things I suppose.

I didn't watch many of Italy's games in the Euros. If he is as good as people make out I'll make sure I look out for him a lot more

blutgraetsche wrote:

toon h wrote:I actually think most young German "talent" falls into this category

The problem is that you never watch them play to begin with...

We get a lot of German football overhere, yet you lot wont see any Dutch football. So hence the opionion of Dutch people is always the most important! When a Germans says: ''Oohh that Marin and Gomes are so awesome'' it aint worth much, could be bias!

blutgraetsche wrote:

toon h wrote:I actually think most young German "talent" falls into this category

The problem is that you never watch them play to begin with...

More than ten times is enough

De Rossi.

Seen him look alright but not quite why he's rated as one of best DMs around.

Fey wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

toon h wrote:I actually think most young German "talent" falls into this category

The problem is that you never watch them play to begin with...

We get a lot of German football overhere, yet you lot wont see any Dutch football. So hence the opionion of Dutch people is always the most important! When a Germans says: ''Oohh that Marin and Gomes are so awesome'' it aint worth much, could be bias!

seen Marin play four times not been impressed so I will give him another six more games

debaser wrote:De Rossi.

Seen him look alright but not quite why he's rated as one of best DMs around.

well said

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

toon h wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

toon h wrote:I actually think most young German "talent" falls into this category

The problem is that you never watch them play to begin with...

this is part of the entire problem and the question I am posing. People that watch this kind of players all the time think they are brilliant, but then other posters that watch an occasional game can be left wondering what's so special about them.

Same with some players in Holland. It is easy enough to look a world beater in the Eredivisie but I usually only see the European games of these teams and then they almost always disappoint.

Same with Henry aswell.

Henry is a weird case. He didn't play in a team that was as technically astute up until now and it is evident for most to see that he is past it.

Henry 4 seasons back in that Barca team would have been a different story.

Pav.

toon h wrote:
this is part of the entire problem and the question I am posing. People that watch this kind of players all the time think they are brilliant, but then other posters that watch an occasional game can be left wondering what's so special about them.

Same with some players in Holland. It is easy enough to look a world beater in the Eredivisie but I usually only see the European games of these teams and then they almost always disappoint.

First, the Bundesliga is not the Eredivisie. Second, what "Europe" are you talking about? CL or UEFA Cup? Because more than often enough, the quality of the team is simply not good enough to compete, mostly for financial reasons, so what sense does it make to single out certain players? Does Stuttgart have a realistic chance against Barcelona, for example? Thought so.
And what about international matches? Do you watch them? If yes, do you acknowledge positive performances there also, or only the negative ones when it comes to German players?

Those players who get a lot of praise have proven themselves repeatedly, unless we are talking about Otto hype here. Marin was one of the top assisters of the league, playing for a relegation candidate, and it wasn't even a good season of his. Özil was the best player of the last U21 Euros, was one of the best Werder players in all competitions last season, including Europe. German youth teams have won all three European titles (U17, U19 and U21), unprecedented in history, so there may be some promising players amongst them, no?

In 99% of the cases, people rate (or rather don't rate) players who they don't have the slightest clue about. That is a fact toon.

blutgraetsche wrote:

toon h wrote:
this is part of the entire problem and the question I am posing. People that watch this kind of players all the time think they are brilliant, but then other posters that watch an occasional game can be left wondering what's so special about them.

Same with some players in Holland. It is easy enough to look a world beater in the Eredivisie but I usually only see the European games of these teams and then they almost always disappoint.

First, the Bundesliga is not the Eredivisie. Second, what "Europe" are you talking about? CL or UEFA Cup? Because more than often enough, the quality of the team is simply not good enough to compete, mostly for financial reasons, so what sense does it make to single out certain players? Does Stuttgart have a realistic chance against Barcelona, for example? Thought so.
And what about international matches? Do you watch them? If yes, do you acknowledge positive performances there also, or only the negative ones when it comes to German players?

Those players who get a lot of praise have proven themselves repeatedly, unless we are talking about Otto hype here. Marin was one of the top assisters of the league, playing for a relegation candidate, and it wasn't even a good season of his. Özil was the best player of the last U21 Euros, was one of the best Werder players in all competitions last season, including Europe. German youth teams have won all three European titles (U17, U19 and U21), unprecedented in history, so there may be some promising players amongst them, no?

In 99% of the cases, people rate (or rather don't rate) players who they don't have the slightest clue about. That is a fact toon.

None of this disproves the FACT that all German players are
shit and the FACT that all German fans are oversensitive to jokey
generalisations.

debaser wrote:De Rossi.

Seen him look alright but not quite why he's rated as one of best DMs around.

Seen him easily over 10 times now and he's ranged from decent to absolute ordinary.

Italians and Germans always hype their players!

Parks lives wrote:

debaser wrote:De Rossi.

Seen him look alright but not quite why he's rated as one of best DMs around.

Seen him easily over 10 times now and he's ranged from decent to absolute ordinary.

Has he ever put one WC performance in any of these matches? I doubt it.

Oversensitive? I see you Engländer go apeshit every time someone dares to question the "world class" qualities of one of your jokers, but we are 'oversensitive' to the constant bullshit being spouted about our players here? Oh the irony..

This wasn't a 'jokey generalisation' btw., but a serious discussion, as unbelievable as that may sound by EMB standards.

Fey wrote:Italians and Germans always hype their players!

Coming from a Dutchman, I take that as a compliement.

Ray Parlour wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

toon h wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

toon h wrote:I actually think most young German "talent" falls into this category

The problem is that you never watch them play to begin with...

this is part of the entire problem and the question I am posing. People that watch this kind of players all the time think they are brilliant, but then other posters that watch an occasional game can be left wondering what's so special about them.

Same with some players in Holland. It is easy enough to look a world beater in the Eredivisie but I usually only see the European games of these teams and then they almost always disappoint.

Same with Henry aswell.

Henry is a weird case. He didn't play in a team that was as technically astute up until now and it is evident for most to see that he is past it.

Henry 4 seasons back in that Barca team would have been a different story.

What about with the French NT?

Not saying he did nothing for them, but IMO he never really had a great tournament.

Hmmm.

WC1998-Didn't play much.

Euro 2000- He was pretty decent in that tournament. Italy should have won that though.

WC2002- Not much needs to be said, he was shit and so was the team. Preparation wasn't the best though.

Euro 2004- The Greeks He was having a very good tournament up until then. Even in the game against Greece they spurned numerous chances.

WC 2006- Henry as a lone striker..hmmm

Euro 2008- Domenech

I think it is a combination of many factors. Managers, not playing up to club level, not a decent enough partner. I do agree he should have been much better for the NT but the criticism he gets on this board is taken a bit too far at times.