Did Lampard mean to score or cross?

Talk about a bad time for my internet to stop working

Couldn't get on all last night

Anyway, did he mean to score it? I think he didn't myself as when he looked back he was looking for players, however he could have just guessed that the keeper was off his line.

If he did mean it, its a true world class goal though

ive been told that replays show he meant it. None of that ive seen showed he meant it though..so I dont know what replays people have seen.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt anyway

Don't want to bring Lampard down who was very good last night... but I don't think he meant as a shot on goal.. only players like Stoichkov or Hagi would have tried that on purpose..

borocooper wrote:ive been told that replays show he meant it. None of that ive seen showed he meant it though..so I dont know what replays people have seen.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt anyway

nah the replays I saw show he clearly didnt mean it... he at no time looks towards the net.. his head is always pointed backwards...

It was a moment of genius if he meant it because as well as being the tight angle he also was not looking where he was hitting it..

I'm going to say cross, despite not having seen the goal, just to wind up Ballack and Jamie

Cross.

So the only good thing he did last night was that ball to Robben.

is the video up on YouTube yet?

If Rooney would have scored like that he would have proven he is very creative and the New Pelé but when Lampard scores like that it was just a stupid incident...!

COTR wrote:

borocooper wrote:ive been told that replays show he meant it. None of that ive seen showed he meant it though..so I dont know what replays people have seen.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt anyway

nah the replays I saw show he clearly didnt mean it... he at no time looks towards the net.. his head is always pointed backwards...

It was a moment of genius if he meant it because as well as being the tight angle he also was not looking where he was hitting it..

why are only foreigners allowed to be capable of the unexpected....pirlos no-look pass that beat germany...did he not mean that either?

it was a shot..he could see that none of his team mates were anywhere near where his cross went if it was a cross...

he meant it.

outshone ballack aswell didnt he..i dont want to say 'i told you so' but im almost being forced too...!!

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its all very odd really....we always hear that the PL is only good because of the foreign players....last night terry...cole and lampard where all amoungst the best players on the pitch....probably something to do with their planets all being aligned or something..wont happen again for the next 1000 years...

ricardojol wrote:If Rooney would have scored like that he would have proven he is very creative and the New Pelé but when Lampard scores like that it was just a stupid incident...!

Don't be silly ricardo.. remember ronaldinho's free kick at the world cup against england...

he may well have meant it but only he really knows.

hopefully he comes out and tells us although I doubt he'll be too quick to owning up if it was a fluke

Can I vote again as we seem to be losing!

SCORE! Although it looked like a cross, he knew what he was doing.

COTR wrote:

ricardojol wrote:If Rooney would have scored like that he would have proven he is very creative and the New Pelé but when Lampard scores like that it was just a stupid incident...!

Don't be silly ricardo.. remember ronaldinho's free kick at the world cup against england...

he may well have meant it but only he really knows.

hopefully he comes out and tells us although I doubt he'll be too quick to owning up if it was a fluke

BTW I haven't seen the goal yet! But on Dutch Television they compared the goal with Johan Cruijff's goal against Belgium....!!!!

This is a big honour of course when a player like lampard is compared with the Legend..., El Salvador ..... God....!

ricardojol wrote:

COTR wrote:

ricardojol wrote:If Rooney would have scored like that he would have proven he is very creative and the New Pelé but when Lampard scores like that it was just a stupid incident...!

Don't be silly ricardo.. remember ronaldinho's free kick at the world cup against england...

he may well have meant it but only he really knows.

hopefully he comes out and tells us although I doubt he'll be too quick to owning up if it was a fluke

BTW I haven't seen the goal yet! But on Dutch Television they compared the goal with Johan Cruijff's goal against Belgium....!!!!

This is a big honour of course when a player like lampard is compared with the Legend..., El Salvador ..... God....!

Lampard>Cruyff. Just wait and see the goal. Just wait. IT. IS. AWESOME

Whether he meant to cross or to score, only 2 things are certain. First, we will never know for sure. Second, it is impossible to have an objective poll about this in this forum. What a coincidence that the Lampard fans are the ones voting that he meant to score and the usual Lampard bashers are the ones voting that he meant to cross. Both camps desperately want their version to be true, so they will vote for it.

Personally, I've always thought Lampard was unbelievably overrated. And this was well before 6 months ago. I don't think he's anywhere near world class and I don't think he's even in the top 100 players in the world.

However, I have to admit that last night he scored one of the best goals in CL history and it certainly looked more as if he meant to shoot than cross. Drogba was the nearest guy to a possible cross and he was at least 8 meters away from Lampard. Had Lampard tried to cross, I think he would have done it differently. The spin that Lampard put on the ball with the inward swerve certainly made it look like a shot to me. Lampard is a flukey player, that's for sure. But people shouldn't act as if he'd never scored an amazing goal before. 2 seasons ago he also scored one of the best goals in the CL against Bayern Munich. His conversion rate on shots and fancy passes/goals may be horrible, but when he gets them right, they can be amazing. Last night was one of those times.

I'm looking forward to watch how great the goal of Englands best midfielder was....

It was a freak cross... but very spectacular..

Its a great goal Ricardo. If he meant it, its truly World Class, and I'd like to think he did mean it, however because of the angle its likely it could have been meant as a cross.

Funny how we always have a go at Lampard for shooting rather than passing

ricardojol wrote:I'm looking forward to watch how great the goal of Englands best midfielder was....

Scholes > Gerrard = Lampard.

Torrente wrote:Whether he meant to cross or to score, only 2 things are certain. First, we will never know for sure. Second, it is impossible to have an objective poll about this in this forum. What a coincidence that the Lampard fans are the ones voting that he meant to score and the usual Lampard bashers are the ones voting that he meant to cross. Both camps desperately want their version to be true, so they will vote for it.

Personally, I've always thought Lampard was unbelievably overrated. And this was well before 6 months ago. I don't think he's anywhere near world class and I don't think he's even in the top 100 players in the world.

However, I have to admit that last night he scored one of the best goals in CL history and it certainly looked more as if he meant to shoot than cross. Drogba was the nearest guy to a possible cross and he was at least 8 meters away from Lampard. Had Lampard tried to cross, I think he would have done it differently. The spin that Lampard put on the ball with the inward swerve certainly made it look like a shot to me. Lampard is a flukey player, that's for sure. But people shouldn't act as if he'd never scored an amazing goal before. 2 seasons ago he also scored one of the best goals in the CL against Bayern Munich. His conversion rate on shots and fancy passes/goals may be horrible, but when he gets them right, they can be amazing. Last night was one of those times.

hmm...the barca manager...the bayern manager....the chelsea manager...all these seem to rate lampard a lot higher than you...why could that be...?...

and to call a player 'flukey' is a very odd statement....im not a lampard fan nor a lampard basher...but he did mean it i think...

lampard is a better player than most...ballack etc included...and this makes him one of the top 100 id say...

lampard is a better player than most...ballack etc included

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Anywho.....it was a fluke of a goal, but if there was even a minute chance that he meant to shoot then he is even more selfish than I thought. Trying that from there when he had players in good positions. Shows what fat frank is all about I guess.

players weren't in good positions though Isar - if you watch it again they are heavily marked up, I think 3 Barca players to two Chelsea.

I think we're getting a divide here with people making the decision on whether he meant it based on their views of Lampard.

dont panic! wrote:

Torrente wrote:Whether he meant to cross or to score, only 2 things are certain. First, we will never know for sure. Second, it is impossible to have an objective poll about this in this forum. What a coincidence that the Lampard fans are the ones voting that he meant to score and the usual Lampard bashers are the ones voting that he meant to cross. Both camps desperately want their version to be true, so they will vote for it.

Personally, I've always thought Lampard was unbelievably overrated. And this was well before 6 months ago. I don't think he's anywhere near world class and I don't think he's even in the top 100 players in the world.

However, I have to admit that last night he scored one of the best goals in CL history and it certainly looked more as if he meant to shoot than cross. Drogba was the nearest guy to a possible cross and he was at least 8 meters away from Lampard. Had Lampard tried to cross, I think he would have done it differently. The spin that Lampard put on the ball with the inward swerve certainly made it look like a shot to me. Lampard is a flukey player, that's for sure. But people shouldn't act as if he'd never scored an amazing goal before. 2 seasons ago he also scored one of the best goals in the CL against Bayern Munich. His conversion rate on shots and fancy passes/goals may be horrible, but when he gets them right, they can be amazing. Last night was one of those times.

hmm...the barca manager...the bayern manager....the chelsea manager...all these seem to rate lampard a lot higher than you...why could that be...?...

and to call a player 'flukey' is a very odd statement....im not a lampard fan nor a lampard basher...but he did mean it i think...

lampard is a better player than most...ballack etc included...and this makes him one of the top 100 id say...

I already said I thought he meant it. And of course Lampard is flukey. The amount of goals he gets from deflections alone proves this. He even scored one that took deflections from 2 different players. If that's not flukey then I don't know what is.

And I don't care how the Chelsea manager or the Barca manager rate Lampard. I don't base my opinions on what other people think. According to Mourinho, Lampard is better than Ronaldinho. Is that even remotely true? Of course not. So it's not like Mourinho is some kind of ultimate authority when it comes to judging players.

Isar Truppe wrote:lampard is a better player than most...ballack etc included

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Anywho.....it was a fluke of a goal, but if there was even a minute chance that he meant to shoot then he is even more selfish than I thought. Trying that from there when he had players in good positions. Shows what fat frank is all about I guess.

I have to admit this is a funny post, but you're being a bit harsh on Lampard. Would you then say the same about Van Basten's goal in the Euro 88 final where he decided to shoot from an impossible angle when he had much better options?

There were also hardly any Chelsea players close to Lampard. Drogba was the closes and he was surrounded by Barca defenders.

I don't have any personal vendetta towards Lampard. I couldn't care less about him. I base my opinion on how I see him play. And pardon me, but I don't see anything from him that isn't eclipsed by players like Tim Cahill for example.

What if Ballack had done it?

If Ballack had done that then it still would have been a fluke. It's not like it was Van Basten!

Seriously though, he probably went for a cross and it ended up going in. It's happened many times before so kudos to him for scoring. My annoyance is with the insane commentary.

To me it looked like it took a decisive deflection, like Saha's against Benfica a few weeks back, so this whole 'what did Lampard intend to do' is irrelevant.


Also reminds me of Fletcher's header v Chelsea last season at Old Trafford, with the same division being made on assessment of the player overall rather than the specific incident.

For the sake of argument, I think that he was trying to shoot, but not in the way that it came off.

I scored a goal like this one once.

I meant it.

Was meant to be a cross IMO...I think this because if you see the way Lampard looked up when he struck the ball, it was as if he was looking for a player to play in...