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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:20 pm

    Newcastle united is a big club. No doubt about it. It has a huge fan base, a tremendous stadium, and has always aspired to be towards the top of the table. It’s not exactly as if the managers have had a lack of money to spend, or that bad appointments have always been made…In fact, Dalglish and Robson were probably two of the best managers a team could ask for…So why is the Newcastle trophy cabinet as empty as my latest PDSA charity bag?

    When Keegan was manager, Newcastle were on the brink of greatness. No one would have expected them to drop so many points, or concede as many goals as they did, but I guess that’s what happens when you hire Lawro as your defensive coach. Both ex Liverpool legends were briskly offloaded, and after that, things slowly began to slide downhill.

    The relatively recent appointment of Souness, and a massive £50million transfer kitty, still wasn’t enough to rekindle the ambitious clubs deteriorating status. The high profile signing of Michael Owen from real Madrid provided a small glimmer of hope for the Geordies, but unfortunately injuries have hindered what could have been an excellent move on the clubs part.

    After pulling the team down the table even further, Souness was also abandoned, and many great managers such as O’Neill, Curbishley, and Jewell were touted to take his place. While the Newspapers relished in stories about Graeme’s successor, Glenn Roeder was doing a sound job acting as caretaker. Many Geordies wanted him to stay on, as he seemingly dragged Newcastle back into the top half of the table. The chairman agreed, and Roeder was given the job full time.

    After a promising start to his campaign, things have again started going downhill for Roeder and Newcastle. They’re lingering near the bottom of the table, only two points clear of the relegation zone, and the Geordies new saviour isn’t looking all he’s cracked up to be.

    Now, something must be causing Newcastle’s dire form, and consistent failure to win anything, and I have a theory. Aside from an obvious lack of confidence and winning mentality on Tyneside, I think there has always been someone behind Newcastle’s inequalities. Keegan didn’t know how to defend. Dalglish was losing it slightly after many illustrious years with Liverpool, Robson clashed with Shearer, along with others in the dressing room, and was too much of his own man, Souness was just rubbish, and Mr. Roeder doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

    There seems, to me, to be always one person who should share the blame for the teams crap morale, or substandard activities on the pitch. There doesn’t seem to be a strong group mentality. Maybe the chairman should be blamed, maybe the managers, but it seems obvious to me that if Newcastle United honestly want to achieve something spectacular, then the right appointment needs to be made. O’Neill would have been fabulous for the team – he would have improved the moral, and technical ability of the team as a whole. Curbishley or Jewell would also have been excellent appointments, as they’ve proved that they can build something, but have both been hindered by there respective clubs / ex clubs monetary status, or low fan base.

    Surely if they had any real aspirations, they would only settle for the BEST choice, not what seems right at the time.

    I seriously think they need to stop, and rebuild the whole thing. Get rid of useless Roeder, and players who obviously lack the motivation and winning mentality on and off the pitch for Newcastle, and bring in a manager who can really do a job, and build something, on the pitch, and off it.

    Newcastle have always had the potential to be a big ambitious, winning side on the pitch. So why aren’t they?

    Crouching Tiger, 2nd November 2006

    P.S that took me ages. Hope it hasn’t been done before Exclamation


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    can you unbold it plz then we may be able to read it... didn't you learn anything in IT class Wink
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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:23 pm

    COTR wrote:can you unbold it plz then we may be able to read it... didn't you learn anything in IT class Wink
    Don't do IT. I like bold...makes it look sexy, but sure, there you go!
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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:25 pm

    A good chairman, manager, defence and striker.

    Other than that they are pretty sound
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:26 pm

    1) A solid central defence partnership (i.e. sell Bramble and play literally anyone instead of him)

    2) A whole new forward line - A Man City reject, a Man U loanee, a decent academy product and a waste of 10 million is not good enough, not by a long chalk

    3) A new midfield - sell everyone except Parker and Duff, rebuild from scratch
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:27 pm

    A German manager teaching some discipline..
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    Post by Football Genius Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:28 pm

    Was pretty much what i was gonna post,

    Chairman - a joke
    Manager - useless
    Defence - personafied in Bramble
    Striker - Owen will do a job when back, but they'll need a partner for him with one hell of a strong back to carry him as he doesnt do much more than tap goals in nowadays.
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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:29 pm

    saintgoingmarching wrote:1) A solid central defence partnership (i.e. sell Bramble and play literally anyone instead of him)

    2) A whole new forward line - A Man City reject, a Man U loanee, a decent academy product and a waste of 10 million is not good enough, not by a long chalk

    3) A new midfield - sell everyone except Parker and Duff, rebuild from scratch

    There midfield is pretty good I think. I rate both Emre,Milner and the Zog. You missed out Ameobi and Owen <Ale>

    I also think they need a new training regime. There player's always seem to get injured and be out for long lengthy periods of time.
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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:30 pm

    Yes, these are all valid points to the teams current situation, but in history, for years, no matter which chairman of manager they've had, they have just not won anything!

    It can't all be Brambles fault! Or can it?
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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:34 pm

    No obviously not. It's a hard one really. Roeder will not take them anywhere though if anything he'll probably get them relegated. You can't go any worse than the Tinkerman.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:40 pm

    well
    if they had marcelo, nesta, cannvaro and kromkamp i think they could win somthing
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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:40 pm

    yours truly wrote:No obviously not. It's a hard one really. Roeder will not take them anywhere though if anything he'll probably get them relegated. You can't go any worse than the Tinkerman.

    I can't believe Newcastle fans were ignorant of the fact that he's a proven crap manager. I think the good run only happened because the players were so relieved that Souness was gone.

    Surely the chairman and fans must think their club is worth more than Roeder.
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:41 pm

    yours truly wrote:
    saintgoingmarching wrote:1) A solid central defence partnership (i.e. sell Bramble and play literally anyone instead of him)

    2) A whole new forward line - A Man City reject, a Man U loanee, a decent academy product and a waste of 10 million is not good enough, not by a long chalk

    3) A new midfield - sell everyone except Parker and Duff, rebuild from scratch

    There midfield is pretty good I think. I rate both Emre,Milner and the Zog. You missed out Ameobi and Owen <Ale>

    I rate Emre as a player but Newcastle are far from getting the best out of him. Zog and Milner are good players, you're right, so maybe it's more of a managerial issue of getting the midfield balanced and organised.

    Ameobi was the 'decent academy product' I referred to. Owen is out for the season, and missed most of last season. We really can't expect anything guaranteed where he's concerned. If he comes back strongly then of course he'll be a very good player for them. If he struggles for form after three seasons without regular football (Madrid benchwarming then two big injuries) then he'll need a better partner than Martins to coax him back to form.

    I also think they need a new training regime. There player's always seem to get injured and be out for long lengthy periods of time.

    I know - some call it bad luck but I think that something fishy may be afoot with the training ground, the medical staff, something that could account for their ludicrous injury record, sicknote Dyer aside...
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    Post by L r d Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:42 pm

    Quality.
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    Was that thread quite creative? I need feedback.
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    Post by Football Genius Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:53 pm

    Luque just put Newcastle 1 up !

    Maybe Glen im a dumbass Roeder may start giving there best fit striker a game or two now Doh
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:55 pm

    Crouching Tiger wrote:Was that thread quite creative? I need feedback.

    I can't say I enjoyed it. Strange timing with a confusing attempt at punctuation.

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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:56 pm

    Yeh Luque is definitely there best player. It happens to everyone I mean Emre and Parker play about 5 games before they get injured and its really weird.
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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:59 pm

    Glenn Hysen wrote:
    Crouching Tiger wrote:Was that thread quite creative? I need feedback.

    I can't say I enjoyed it. Strange timing with a confusing attempt at punctuation.

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    Post by Football Genius Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:01 pm

    I remember when Souness was there they had a case of multiple hamstring injuries which they put down to the training ground surface being very hard (must be that delighful warm weather up there) We must also remember Dyer is injury prone as is Owen and well half the Newcastle squad, prior to joining Newcastle these players would pick up injuries season in season out.
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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:07 pm

    --------------------Given-------------------

    -**************NEW*************-

    --Solano----Parker-----Emre------Zog--

    --------------Martins--*new*-------------


    Manager - *new*

    Chairman - *new*



    Well, that's not going to happen. They're screwed.
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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:18 pm

    Milner wuld get in there somewhere Solano is wiltering. Luque and Duff should remain in there somewhere.

    They should appoint Ranieri!!
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:22 pm

    Manager: Del Bosque

    Chairman: son of Abramovich
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    Post by Kimbo Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:16 pm

    You can talk about players as much as you like, the ONE problem which eclipses all others is the situation in the boardroom. They're a bunch of utter cretins, including Sir John Hall(infact he's not a cretin but his son is). The Halls are the majority shareholders, they could EASILY get rid of Freddy. Sir John Halls should be ashamed of himself, he made the club a player in the premiership and he's letting this shaved monkey ruin it all. I often people pointing at how much money he's spent, that is NO argument. ONE, it's not HIS money, it's the clubs, he hasn't put ONE penny into Newcastle. TWO, it's his job to make sure the money is spent wisely, need i say more?! And all the time he is being PAID over 500k by the club annually.

    Basically, if we get a good chairman then everything else(the manager, defence etc) will fall into place. A good manager could do good things with quite a few of our players.

    -------------Given-----------

    ?????--Taylor--?????--?????

    Milner--Parker--Dyer/Emre--N'Zogbia

    ----Martins--Owen/?????----

    Unfortunately over the years Shepherd has built quite a football in the club and will be hard to get rid of. I hope Belgravia are determined. Erm

    For those positions i'd be looking at G.Johnson/Rosenior, Mellberg, and Bridge. We couldn't afford that at the moment but IF we get a regime change(i'm still hopefull) then maybe there will be a cash injection. If not then we'll have to wait until next year.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:18 pm

    kimbo tim krul looked amazing, replacement for mr given?
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    Post by Kimbo Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:21 pm

    punty wrote:kimbo tim krul looked amazing, replacement for mr given?
    At some point i'm sure. Given is still only 30 though. he's got another 5/6/7 years at the top left.
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    Post by Football Genius Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:22 pm

    Kimbo, first of all congrats on tonights win

    I understant the Halls are looking to sell, and for that reason alone i would be under the impression the last thing they would wish is to oust a fellow board member leaving the club in turmoil. I still think that your fans are the key, if they put the pressure on FFS then thats your door to success. Untill he gets the resentment as opposed to the manager he will always undermind the manager and make him the scapegoat.

    Newcastle have a big fanbase a big stadium, the 2 fundamentals they need to create a club that can go forward, as we all know, finance can propel a club and your club can produce finance, now they need to get the more difficult decisions correct from board to coaching staff, the players will then follow.
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    Post by Kimbo Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:33 pm

    Football Genius wrote:Kimbo, first of all congrats on tonights win

    I understant the Halls are looking to sell, and for that reason alone i would be under the impression the last thing they would wish is to oust a fellow board member leaving the club in turmoil. I still think that your fans are the key, if they put the pressure on FFS then thats your door to success. Untill he gets the resentment as opposed to the manager he will always undermind the manager and make him the scapegoat.

    Newcastle have a big fanbase a big stadium, the 2 fundamentals they need to create a club that can go forward, as we all know, finance can propel a club and your club can produce finance, now they need to get the more difficult decisions correct from board to coaching staff, the players will then follow.
    I don't think resentment is enough to oust Freddy, this man lives in a fuckin dreamworld. He was booed at Shearers testemonial when he was handing him an award and he just had a big grin on his face. I think the only thing that will get rid of him is a takeover. I suppose if all the fans chanted against him at games then it might work, but this will never happen, alot of people say "get behind the team" and are against any kind of protest. As you say, the foundations are there, we just need someone that knows wqhat he's doing to direct it. ok

    And the win tonight was awesome, i don't care if Palermo had alot of first team players out(like we didn't). Tonight we saw NEWCASTLE with an organised disciplined defence, the whole team defended well when Palermo had the upper hand in the 2nd half. I'm over the moon with it, hopefully we'll see more of it in the league. Very Happy <Ale>
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:36 pm

    saintgoingmarching wrote:Manager: Del Bosque

    Chairman: son of Abramovich

    Del Bosque wouldn't stand a chance.. he is a bit like Rijkaard.. has no clue about discipline or tactics. But excellent at maintaining team harmony. I think Newcastle's squad needs to go back to basics, unless they sign somebody who will be the cornerstone of the team (like we did with Ronaldinho)
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:40 pm

    Olegueristhatbad

    newcastle's midfield is the cornerstone of the team
    one of the strongest in the league when fully fit ( which is never)

    what they really need is a target man or a new shearer.

    what has FS done to make evryone hate him so much?

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