Who plays the best football....

For me to like Arsenal football, they have to play exciting stuff, not just good football. Back in the day it was pires cole henry etc always the left side everything from the left it was so predictable and not really exciting.

Then they changed to slick passing football, but lots of it passing in circles and not really going anywhere.

When they transform the slick passing football into attacking exciting football, then they can be considered for my mind.

Cesc-Fab wrote:

ParktheHeraldAngelsSing wrote:

Tinseldum wrote:

As someone has said we're n trasnition, add to this the formation change and we have the answer....

We were in transition before this season though.

Keane leaving, Ruud moving on, Rooney and Ronaldo still developing.

To a degree you were in transition last season but not much I am afraid. The transition mainly happened because Keane left and left a huge void in the middle of the park as well as that you lost his leadership qualities.

Ruud was still a regular up until the Carling Cup Final.

True, Ronaldo and Rooney are developing. But they were already at a high standard. Both scored a lot of goals last season as well as an assists. Playing van Persie ahead of Bergkamp, a 18 year old instead of Vieira, Senderos for Campbell and using an untried Djourou is more like transition.

Fair enough, you make a good point. Taking nothing away from Arsenal, there ball retention is second to none and its done high up the pitch as well and can be very good for the neutral. I just prefer the way we mix it up and really go for teams.

ParktheHeraldAngelsSing wrote: So being neutral (asking for a miracle here) who plays the most exciting stuff?

So... you post a question 'who plays the best football', claim you are asking for unbiased opinion, and then go over to N18WNGs thread to specifically get him over to this one.

Get over yourself.

For lower teams. West ham usually play in the right way, it's why most people like them.
Man city can play really good stuff, although not always.
Cannot really think of anybody else right now. Oh totenham sometimes also can do.

I would say Barcelona....

ParktheHeraldAngelsSing wrote:

Tinseldum wrote:

As someone has said we're n trasnition, add to this the formation change and we have the answer....

We were in transition before this season though.

Keane leaving, Ruud moving on, Rooney and Ronaldo still developing.

Yes and before this season Arsenal played the better football

Tinseldum wrote:

ParktheHeraldAngelsSing wrote:

Tinseldum wrote:

As someone has said we're n trasnition, add to this the formation change and we have the answer....

We were in transition before this season though.

Keane leaving, Ruud moving on, Rooney and Ronaldo still developing.

Yes and before this season Arsenal played the better football

Break it down to with the horse
and then without the horse.

With the horse predictable mostly boring stuff
without ie last half of last season, when he was injured the year before giggs ronaldo rooney the front 3. Exciting fantastic football.

I know your issues with RVN and I agree with them

Everything you said was correct, no dobt hes a great footballer but you effectively play with 9 outfield players when hes on the pitch

Tinseldum wrote:I know your issues with RVN and I agree with them

Everything you said was correct, no dobt hes a great footballer but you effectively play with 9 outfield players when hes on the pitch

A lot of people blame Capello for real madrid poor football this year, but ruud is 50% to blame imo

L r d wrote:

Tinseldum wrote:I know your issues with RVN and I agree with them

Everything you said was correct, no dobt hes a great footballer but you effectively play with 9 outfield players when hes on the pitch

A lot of people blame Capello for real madrid poor football this year, but ruud is 50% to blame imo

I'd still say its Capello

If you get them in the CL you'll beat them - his teams seem to really struggle against EPL opposition and IMO Juventus>Real Madrid

Tinseldum wrote: we're n trasnition

we've been in transition for 26 years!

I still think Arsenal are the best side to watch, their passing and movement is breathtaking at times. United are a bit more gung-ho and a lot of their flair comes from individual briliance rather than team play. Their central midfielders can get very square at times which is not pretty. They are playing very well at the moment, which is why the thread was created now.

Christmas Glenn Hysén wrote:

Tinseldum wrote: we're n trasnition

we've been in transition for 26 years!

I still think Arsenal are the best side to watch, their passing and movement is breathtaking at times. United are a bit more gung-ho and a lot of their flair comes from individual briliance rather than team play. Their central midfielders can get very square at times which is not pretty. They are playing very well at the moment, which is why the thread was created now.

Yep, obviously I can't speak objectively on it but I personally think we play the best footbal, though having said that, we haven't been this season. Man Utd have played some great stuff

Christmas Glenn Hysén wrote:

Tinseldum wrote: we're n trasnition

we've been in transition for 26 years!

I still think Arsenal are the best side to watch, their passing and movement is breathtaking at times. United are a bit more gung-ho and a lot of their flair comes from individual briliance rather than team play. Their central midfielders can get very square at times which is not pretty. They are playing very well at the moment, which is why the thread was created now.

. spot on

yet another self appreciation thread

I can't give an unbiased opinion on this so I'm not going to try.

Always trust the Scousers to be impartial on a Man United vs Arsenal debate.

Rafa the Grinch wrote:

Christmas Glenn Hysén wrote:

Tinseldum wrote: we're n trasnition

we've been in transition for 26 years!

I still think Arsenal are the best side to watch, their passing and movement is breathtaking at times. United are a bit more gung-ho and a lot of their flair comes from individual briliance rather than team play. Their central midfielders can get very square at times which is not pretty. They are playing very well at the moment, which is why the thread was created now.

. spot on

yet another self appreciation thread

All of it is spot on? or just that? The movement off the ball from man utd this season is one of the main things that make the team work so well.

ParktheHeraldAngelsSing wrote:Always trust the Scousers to be impartial on a Man United vs Arsenal debate.

do you disagree with anything I or we have said. If so plz inform us as to what it is and counter the points

L r d wrote:

Rafa the Grinch wrote:

Christmas Glenn Hysén wrote:

Tinseldum wrote: we're n trasnition

we've been in transition for 26 years!

I still think Arsenal are the best side to watch, their passing and movement is breathtaking at times. United are a bit more gung-ho and a lot of their flair comes from individual briliance rather than team play. Their central midfielders can get very square at times which is not pretty. They are playing very well at the moment, which is why the thread was created now.

. spot on

yet another self appreciation thread

All of it is spot on? or just that? The movement off the ball from man utd this season is one of the main things that make the team work so well.

Well glenn has just given what I see as a very fair assessment and has subsequently been accused of being impartial which implies that all that is really wanted from the thread is praise for man united ie self appreciation.

Ive said united play the best stuff 'this season' but as arsenal proved at old trafford when they are 'on' they can play better football than anyone (including man united)

Rafa the Grinch wrote:

L r d wrote:

Rafa the Grinch wrote:

Christmas Glenn Hysén wrote:

Tinseldum wrote: we're n trasnition

we've been in transition for 26 years!

I still think Arsenal are the best side to watch, their passing and movement is breathtaking at times. United are a bit more gung-ho and a lot of their flair comes from individual briliance rather than team play. Their central midfielders can get very square at times which is not pretty. They are playing very well at the moment, which is why the thread was created now.

. spot on

yet another self appreciation thread

All of it is spot on? or just that? The movement off the ball from man utd this season is one of the main things that make the team work so well.

Well glenn has just given what I see as a very fair assessment and has subsequently been accused of being impartial which implies that all that is really wanted from the thread is praise for man united ie self appreciation.

Ive said united play the best stuff 'this season' but as arsenal proved at old trafford when they are 'on' they can play better football than anyone (including man united)

Well you mention this game a lot cotr, But lets remember rooney needed 5 more games after that one to get in any kind of form. Giggs who just won player of the month was out. Carrick missed the gamd as did vidic and vds, that is 5 out of the normal 11. No to mention it wasnt as one sided as i keep hearing, arsenal were the better team true.
But in past years when man utd beat and outplayed arsenal 2-4 for instance, i'm sure you didn't say this match proves man utd still play the best football when they are 'on' Cannot have it both ways.
On Glenn points i disagree with the movement thing, and the central midfield thing, as carrick scholes i believe more creative and attacking exciting, than gilberto and cesc.
Maybe because arsenal usually play with 5 midfielders this kind of confuses the issue.

Exactly, for 3-4 years we've consistently beat and OUTPLAYED Arsenal. Were we the better team on our day then?

Well obviously i mention it Lrd, it's surely one of the most important forms of comparison to use for a thread like this is it not?

You know you are playing well at the minute so why seek gratification from everyone that you play 'better' than arsenal? It's clear you are playing better football. But things can change very quickly in football so enjoy it while it lasts

ParktheHeraldAngelsSing wrote:Exactly, for 3-4 years we've consistently beat and OUTPLAYED Arsenal. Were we the better team on our day then?

Nah

I think that's its an exaggeration to say you have consistently outplayed Arsenal.

As an example, when you stopped Arsenal's unbeaten run, you won because you stopped them playing their preferred game, by pressing, denying them possession, and getting physical (within the rules of the game).

In contrast, you clearly outplayed them in the FA Cup final but they won.

Either you or they are capable of beating the other when playing at your best. You are certainly more consistently playing good football than Arsenal at the moment.

Rafa the Grinch wrote:

ParktheHeraldAngelsSing wrote:Always trust the Scousers to be impartial on a Man United vs Arsenal debate.

do you disagree with anything I or we have said. If so plz inform us as to what it is and counter the points

I hate to bring it up again but last season we were playing with effectively a bunch of kids and our defence was pretty much second choice or lower except for Touré for about half the season

L r d wrote:
On Glenn points i disagree with the movement thing, and the central midfield thing, as carrick scholes i believe more creative and attacking exciting, than gilberto and cesc.
Maybe because arsenal usually play with 5 midfielders this kind of confuses the issue.

Carrick and Scholes can get a bit square, not saying they always do. Comparing them to Gilberto and Cesc is going to be difficult as it's not a like for like scenario.

The thread is about preferance, I don't think it's fair to jump down someone's throat - I've given what I feel to be a fair and balanced opinion.

Tinseldum wrote:I hate to bring it up again but last season we were playing with effectively a bunch of kids and our defence was pretty much second choice or lower except for Touré for about half the season

Who's fault is that?

Roger_Hunt wrote:I think that's its an exaggeration to say you have consistently outplayed Arsenal.

As an example, when you stopped Arsenal's unbeaten run, you won because you stopped them playing their preferred game, by pressing, denying them possession, and getting physical (within the rules of the game).

I've seen that game a few times now and although we did play physically it must be noted that Arsenal created nothing in the 90 minutes and we were completely on top in midfield despite Pip Neville deputising for Keano. The hype from that game that it was ugly football vs beautiful football was laughable.

Personally for me Gilberto is holding us back - he is a great DM but hes not an EPL type player - he has no aggression, no bite, little pace and not much strength.

He relies a hell of a lot on anticipation and positioning, this is all fair and well when defending and he does an ok job at this but he doesn't put his foot in esp in the games where this is needed.

Cesc I am fine with, great player - but I feel that to move onto the next level we could do with a real engine in the centre