Chelsea vs Arsenal official thread

Rafa the Grinch wrote:Hilario- 3 . had feck all to do and still managed to balls everything up. Worst kicker in the league?
Cole 5- Simply shit
Terry 6- didnt have much to do
carvalho- 6- Tough day from ade
geremi- 5 - didnt do anything
Lampard- 3 . Have no idea how he has reached this level with so little ability. Laughable midfield work
makalele- 6- happily watched arsenal pass the ball in front of him
Essien- 6- would have been a 4 but for the goal
ballack 3 - Who?
shevchenko- 3- Im officially writing him off. won't recieve any help from chelsea's midfield and the rest of his game is not good at all
drogba 6- diving, moaning idiot but a menace all the same

Robben 8- How he does not start is beyond me


Lehmann- 3- Oh dear. were you watching otto?
Eboue 4- disgracefully naive
senderos 2- worst player on pitch which was quite an achievement today
djorou- 6- average
clichy- 5- chelsea have no wingers so had nothing to do
gilberto 8- everywhere. one man midfield
cesc- 5- no influence
hleb- 6- brilliant technically but actually slows down the counter attacks.
flamini 5- goal should have been saved and did little else apart from foul
RVP- 6- decent enough but didnt do enough
Ade- 7- tireless effort. Give him a partner and he may turn into a very good player.

Hilario 2- IF its coming at you, palm it away.
Cole 6- Not bad, got away with that little foul
Terry 6- didnt have much to do but did it well
Carvalho- 6- Tough day, not too much trouble
Geremi- 5 - didnt do anything
Lampard- 5 Good play at points, pitiful at others
Makalele- 5 Some nice play, got the ball to the men as well, other than that he was shit
Essien- 7 Drove really well, a real soldier
Ballack 4 - IMPROVE
Shevchenko- 4 come on andriy..
Drogba 6 Not a great performance. Injured for last 15 mins...

Robben 8- Great Play at points.
Wright-Phillips 1- Rubbish. he forced one corner but lost the ball about 8 times?

Well done Arsenal. Although it slightly dents our title chances, it was good to see a 'fighting Arsenal' performance, with them doing to us what many teams do at the Emirates.

Anyway, I won't go into too much detail, I'm sure it has all been analysed so here are my ratings:

Hilario 2 - If it wasn't for the fact he is protected by the best defence in the country, it could have been much worse. Not good enough.

Geremi 6 - Did OK, but not his best performance
Carvalho 6 - Barring one or two rash moments, looked solid.
JT 7 - Solid throughout.
A Cole 6 - Looked pretty poor today imo, certainly in the 1st half. Maybe the occassion just got to him.

Essien 8 - Our best performer by far. Brilliant.
Makelele 5 - Not impressed. Gave the ball away far too many times.
Lampard 5 - A couple of good moments, but generally poor.
Ballack 5 - See Lampard.

Drogba 7 - Caused moments of trouble for the Arsenal defence and was unlucky not to win a penalty or two.
Sheva 6 - Improving. Worked very hard.

Robben 7 - Got beyond his man every time. Still needs to improve that final ball though.
Wright-Phillips 0 - Does anyone still think it is unfair that he is not a more regular member of the matchday team? Did not get beyond his man once, and did not make one accurate pass. Woeful.

when i watched it
the 88 minute
it was brilliant IMO, great last couple of minutes

PS. I think that 'foul' by Cashley in the build up to the Essien goal was probably the first decision that was pro-Chelsea in the match.

Whiley, like so many other professional, referees is poor. I honestly am starting to think that too many referees have agendas against certain clubs/players (and I'm not solely pointing out Chelsea, but all clubs in the Prem, such as Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool etc).

I was expecting Jose, knowing what Jose is like, to make a comment about the referee, but he kept his mouth closed.

Lehmann - 3 - poor handling. His worst display for a long time.
Eboue - 6 - good forward, bad at the back.
Djourou - 7 - good player. Made one mistake.
Senderos - 3- poor player. Cumbersome, rash, can't pass.
Clichy- 5 - OK. got caught out a couple of times.
Gilberto - 8 - solid. dependable. classy.
Hleb- 7 - good technically. good ball retainer.
Fabregas - 5 - not a good game from him.
Flamini - 6 - simply because he scored a goal and saved a goal.
Van Persie - 6- did well first half. faded in second.
Adebayor - 6 - worked hard. no help. improved second half.

Freddie Or Not wrote:Lehmann - 3 - poor handling. His worst display for a long time.
Eboue - 6 - good forward, bad at the back.
Djourou - 7 - good player. Made one mistake.
Senderos - 3- poor player. Cumbersome, rash, can't pass.
Clichy- 5 - OK. got caught out a couple of times.
Gilberto - 8 - solid. dependable. classy.
Hleb- 7 - good technically. good ball retainer.
Fabregas - 5 - not a good game from him.
Flamini - 6 - simply because he scored a goal and saved a goal.
Van Persie - 6- did well first half. faded in second.
Adebayor - 6 - worked hard. no help. improved second half.

I agree, 'cept I'd give Eboue and vPersie 5's and hleb 6.

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:PS. I think that 'foul' by Cashley in the build up to the Essien goal was probably the first decision that was pro-Chelsea in the match.

Whiley, like so many other professional, referees is poor. I honestly am starting to think that too many referees have agendas against certain clubs/players (and I'm not solely pointing out Chelsea, but all clubs in the Prem, such as Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool etc).

I was expecting Jose, knowing what Jose is like, to make a comment about the referee, but he kept his mouth closed.

Thought the ref did very well myself. he managed to keep the game fairly low maintenance even though the chelsea and arsenal players were doing all they could to spoil it. the drogba penalty decision is about the only negative one I can think of and with the amount pens you get away with I think there is no room for complaint on that front

Hleb was our second best player and i think eboue deserves a 6

Agooner wrote:Hleb was our second best player and i think eboue deserves a 6

eboue was chelsea's main attacking weapon mate

Rafa the Grinch wrote:

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:PS. I think that 'foul' by Cashley in the build up to the Essien goal was probably the first decision that was pro-Chelsea in the match.

Whiley, like so many other professional, referees is poor. I honestly am starting to think that too many referees have agendas against certain clubs/players (and I'm not solely pointing out Chelsea, but all clubs in the Prem, such as Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool etc).

I was expecting Jose, knowing what Jose is like, to make a comment about the referee, but he kept his mouth closed.

Thought the ref did very well myself. he managed to keep the game fairly low maintenance even though the chelsea and arsenal players were doing all they could to spoil it. the drogba penalty decision is about the only negative one I can think of and with the amount pens you get away with I think there is no room for complaint on that front

the pen claim and the cashley foul cancel each other out.

Rafa the Grinch wrote:

Agooner wrote:Hleb was our second best player and i think eboue deserves a 6

eboue was chelsea's main attacking weapon mate

Eboue is a legend in the making. Of that there is no question.

When you condider that we were missing four world class players, I think we did pretty well.

Still, I can confidently predict that Senderos will not make it long term at Arsenal. I certainly hope not.

Rafa the Grinch wrote:

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:PS. I think that 'foul' by Cashley in the build up to the Essien goal was probably the first decision that was pro-Chelsea in the match.

Whiley, like so many other professional, referees is poor. I honestly am starting to think that too many referees have agendas against certain clubs/players (and I'm not solely pointing out Chelsea, but all clubs in the Prem, such as Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool etc).

I was expecting Jose, knowing what Jose is like, to make a comment about the referee, but he kept his mouth closed.

Thought the ref did very well myself. he managed to keep the game fairly low maintenance even though the chelsea and arsenal players were doing all they could to spoil it. the drogba penalty decision is about the only negative one I can think of and with the amount pens you get away with I think there is no room for complaint on that front

Senderos should have been sent off for 2 yellow cards. The first one being when he blocks off Drogba, who has a clear run into the penalty box. The second one being the tackle from behind.

2 penalty shouts in quick succession. The first one being the Senderos challenge, and then following that, the Lehmann push. If the referee and/or the linesman see it (which clearly one of the officials must have done as the referee ended up dealing with it), it's a penalty to Chelsea, a red card for Lehmann for an off-the-ball proffessional foul, and a red card for Didier Drogba, for retaliation.

There were also 3-4 handballs that he missed. The only 'contraversial decision' that I felt went our way, was the foul by Ashley, which was clearly a foul.

I don't think he was necessarily biased, I just thought he was very, very poor.

very good result for everyone... except for Chelsea and Arsenal.

how anyone (Fey) can say that the title is Man Utd's as long as their players stay fit, is beyond me. There is still so much to play for. And it's only really 5 points.

Freddie Or Not wrote:When you condider that we were missing four world class players, I think we did pretty well.

Still, I can confidently predict that Senderos will not make it long term at Arsenal. I certainly hope not.

I thought you did very well too, and congratulations. For once, I thought we saw an Arsenal side who were prepared to 'mix it', and you did very well at it, certainly in the 2nd half.

I wouldn't necessarily call Rosicky a world class player though, but I thought your midfield played very well. Perhaps you guys have learnt a formation which is successful away from home?

holly hunter wrote:very good result for everyone... except for Chelsea and Arsenal.

how anyone (Fey) can say that the title is Man Utd's as long as their players stay fit, is beyond me. There is still so much to play for. And it's only really 5 points.

It is about their players fitnesses though imo. The games where United have dropped points this season (excluding the Chelsea match) are the games where they have had 2-3 key players out injured I believe.

They still have to play Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Pompey and Everton away too, all games where a win is not inevitable.

Freddie Or Not wrote:When you condider that we were missing four world class players, I think we did pretty well.

Still, I can confidently predict that Senderos will not make it long term at Arsenal. I certainly hope not.

senderos will come good. He is more that adams,terry type defender and most of them develop at 25. I understand Tony Adams( Legend) used to be called donkey adams when he was young.

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:

Freddie Or Not wrote:When you condider that we were missing four world class players, I think we did pretty well.

Still, I can confidently predict that Senderos will not make it long term at Arsenal. I certainly hope not.

I thought you did very well too, and congratulations. For once, I thought we saw an Arsenal side who were prepared to 'mix it', and you did very well at it, certainly in the 2nd half.

I wouldn't necessarily call Rosicky a world class player though, but I thought your midfield played very well. Perhaps you guys have learnt a formation which is successful away from home?

Fair enough - but he is top class. An Arsenal side with Rosicky in it is far superior to an Arsenal side without him.

Senderos should have been sent off for 2 yellow cards. The first one being when he blocks off Drogba, who has a clear run into the penalty box. The second one being the tackle from behind.

well in that case cashley should have recieved a second yellow for ref intimidation in the first half after his stupid tackle had given him the first .

2 penalty shouts in quick succession. The first one being the Senderos challenge, and then following that, the Lehmann push. If the referee and/or the linesman see it (which clearly one of the officials must have done as the referee ended up dealing with it), it's a penalty to Chelsea, a red card for Lehmann for an off-the-ball proffessional foul, and a red card for Didier Drogba, for retaliation.

A penatly for the pansy fight? hadn't play already moved on anyway. You must be joking about the red card. he barely touched drogba.

There were also 3-4 handballs that he missed. The only 'contraversial decision' that I felt went our way, was the foul by Ashley, which was clearly a foul.

there was also a hell of a lot he did see and get 100 percent right which was not easy amongst all the whinging, moaning and cheating. he did a good job

Agooner wrote:

Freddie Or Not wrote:When you condider that we were missing four world class players, I think we did pretty well.

Still, I can confidently predict that Senderos will not make it long term at Arsenal. I certainly hope not.

senderos will come good. He is more that adams,terry type defender and most of them develop at 25. I understand Tony Adams( Legend) used to be called donkey adams when he was young.

Senderos cannot cope with guile at all. The faintest wiff of the unexpected and he is totally perplexed. He is cumbersome and average technically. I don't think he'll be top class, personally.

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:

holly hunter wrote:very good result for everyone... except for Chelsea and Arsenal.

how anyone (Fey) can say that the title is Man Utd's as long as their players stay fit, is beyond me. There is still so much to play for. And it's only really 5 points.

It is about their players fitnesses though imo. The games where United have dropped points this season (excluding the Chelsea match) are the games where they have had 2-3 key players out injured I believe.

They still have to play Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Pompey and Everton away too, all games where a win is not inevitable.

so you agree with me.

Freddie Or Not wrote:

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:

Freddie Or Not wrote:When you condider that we were missing four world class players, I think we did pretty well.

Still, I can confidently predict that Senderos will not make it long term at Arsenal. I certainly hope not.

I thought you did very well too, and congratulations. For once, I thought we saw an Arsenal side who were prepared to 'mix it', and you did very well at it, certainly in the 2nd half.

I wouldn't necessarily call Rosicky a world class player though, but I thought your midfield played very well. Perhaps you guys have learnt a formation which is successful away from home?

Fair enough - but he is top class. An Arsenal side with Rosicky in it is far superior to an Arsenal side without him.

Very important player, but I think that, unlike Toure, Gallas and Henry, he is not essentially guaranteed a first team place at Arsenal, especially if Hleb, Flamini and Gilberto all play as well as they did today and we all know Fabregas is an excellent prospect too.

holly hunter wrote:

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:

holly hunter wrote:very good result for everyone... except for Chelsea and Arsenal.

how anyone (Fey) can say that the title is Man Utd's as long as their players stay fit, is beyond me. There is still so much to play for. And it's only really 5 points.

It is about their players fitnesses though imo. The games where United have dropped points this season (excluding the Chelsea match) are the games where they have had 2-3 key players out injured I believe.

They still have to play Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Pompey and Everton away too, all games where a win is not inevitable.

so you agree with me.

I do. It is not over yet. It's still only 2 slip ups required from a Chelsea perspective, with 20 games to go. Plus United have to come to Stamford Bridge, which I think will be extremely tough for them, even if they have a full squad.

Personally, I wouldn't even call them title favourites yet. Imo, the 'favourites' will only be decided when we get to Matchday 30, unless a team is very far ahead (like Chelsea in 04-05, Arsenal 03-04, and United 00-01 etc)

@ s4p

Rosicky will always start ahead of flamini if fit.

Of course it's not over, but man utd are now favourites

So, Hleb is class right?

But it was difficult for all our players as chelsea are the best team in the world at closing down space. Lots of the time, a player would recieve the ball and there would be no pass on at all, just a sea of blue shirts.

it was the same with Ronaldo for man utd-chelsea. Cole did well, but he very rarely got a 1 on 1 against Ronaldo, there were always two blue shirts.

Hleb wasted a chance to win it.

manchester have gotten better but chelsea is still way better then they are.they put pressure on a team like few can. the question is will chelsea throw away the league to go for the CL. this will be manchesters chance. chelsea should have won with all those chances they had at the end.

KevintheRednoseReindeer wrote:So, Hleb is class right?

But it was difficult for all our players as chelsea are the best team in the world at closing down space. Lots of the time, a player would recieve the ball and there would be no pass on at all, just a sea of blue shirts.

it was the same with Ronaldo for man utd-chelsea. Cole did well, but he very rarely got a 1 on 1 against Ronaldo, there were always two blue shirts.

he's clearly a good player but he desperately needs to up his end product. bit of a case of style over substance at the minute.