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    Post by L r d Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:53 am

    I'm well aware that it won't be to everyone's taste, but it only takes 2 minutes of your time:

    http://www.petitiononline.com/rawk1/petition.html

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    Thousands demand BBC knock MacKenzie off air
    Dec 12 2006


    By Sam Lister Liverpool Daily Post Staff

    LIVERPOOL FC supporters have launched a petition calling for the BBC to drop former Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie from its Christmas Day schedules.

    More than 4,000 people have already signed the online form, including fans from Australia and Switzerland as well as rival clubs.

    It follows revelations by the Daily Post earlier this month that the columnist had told a crowd of businessmen: "I was not sorry then and I'm not sorry now" for the paper's infamous coverage of the Hillsborough disaster.

    The BBC has given him a two-hour teatime slot on Radio Five Live where he will present a News Review of the Year.

    But outraged fans believe he should never have been offered a show on a station funded by licence payers.

    Nick Harman, a marketing officer, started the online petition. He told the Daily Post: "We have already had 4,000 signatures in a matter of days.


    "We have had emails from as far as Australia and Switzerland, that's how strong the feeling is.


    "We don't believe Kelvin MacKenzie should be given a show on Christmas Day paid for with our licence fees.


    "I was at Hillsborough that day and saw the tragedy happen. I wasn't injured and neither was anyone in my family but it has deeply affected me and hearing his comments has really angered me.


    "I cannot imagine the families who did lose someone must feel when this man pipes up again with his lies.


    "That's why we started this petition."


    The petition has been organised by the Redandwhitekop.com website, an independent LFC supporters forum with 20,000 members.


    It states: "We want the BBC to remove Kelvin MacKenzie as one of the hosts to their Christmas Day broadcast of the News Review of the Year on Radio Five Live at 5pm.


    "Kelvin MacKenzie is, in the views of the undersigned, a man of great dishonesty with his actions after the Hillsborough football disaster and his refusal to back down on the lies he allowed to be printed."


    Liverpool FC were playing Nottingham Forest in the FA Cup semi-final at the south Yorkshire stadium in 1989. Lord Justice Taylor's official inquiry found the cause of the disaster was overcrowding and failures by the police.


    The Sun apologised in July 2004 saying it was "truly sorry" and that its false allegations were "the most terrible mistake in its history."


    But Mr MacKenzie told more than 100 guests at the annual lunch of Newcastle law firm Mincoffs LLP he had only apologised to the people of Liverpool during a television appearance at the time of the tragedy because the newspaper's owner Rupert Murdoch had ordered him to.


    He still stands by the story insisting the newspaper had been reporting 'the truth' when it accused Liverpool fans caught in the terrace crush of urinating on the dead and stealing from bodies.


    Last night a spokeswoman for the BBC said: "As a former tabloid newspaper editor, Kelvin MacKenzie has a great deal of experience in this area and is well-qualified to give his take on the news stories of the year.


    "Kelvin's private comments were entirely his own and in no way endorsed by the BBC."
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:57 am

    Snowbispo wrote:He still stands by the story insisting the newspaper had been reporting 'the truth' when it accused Liverpool fans caught in the terrace crush of urinating on the dead and stealing from bodies.



    Fuck me!Yikes

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    Post by Mistletoe. Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:00 am

    Another blow against freedom of speach.
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    Post by L r d Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:02 am

    Stop being a wanker for the sake of it.
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    Post by Mistletoe. Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:16 am

    I can't think of any other worthy reason for being a wanker.

    When I lived in England, the Sun was read by mindless people, not interested in news, but just funny stories and tits.
    So, this arsehole sticks by the outrageous story that the Sun wrote. What's the problem. If him being on the radio is upsetting for people, change the station. Don't listen to him make an arse of himself.
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    Post by L r d Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:30 am

    It's the general principle. I'm not going to watch it... but it's disgusting to think that a bloke who's lies have been proven to be just that is aloud a mouth-piece for his ridiculous, offensive views.

    96 people died and this bloke continues to taint their memories with slanderous comments out of nowhere.

    It shouldn't be a case of not having to listen to him make an arse out of himself again. It's ridiculous that after 16 years he's still allowed the opportunity to make such remarks and spew his filth on/in one of the biggest TV companies and newspapers in the country.
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:55 am

    Its noe thing saying something as a joke about something innocent but to accuse Liverpool fans of pissing on corpses is neither funny nor tasteful
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    Post by L r d Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:57 am

    Tinseldum wrote:Its noe thing saying something as a joke about something innocent but to accuse Liverpool fans of pissing on corpses is neither funny nor tasteful

    Nor, as it has been proven, true. To print the article under the headline "The Truth", then have it disproven - god knows how many times now - is ridiculous.

    To continue after 16 years to believe it to be 'the truth', despite all this, is fucking cretinous though and nothing but a poor attempt at raising his profile. The bloke is a wanker of the highest order and the fact that the BBC and the Sun continue to employ him is disgraceful.
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:01 am

    Do you know what evidence he was basing his opinion on? had he been there and seen it or something?
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    Post by Roger Hunt Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:05 am

    It's been reported by other people that the stories about fans robbing and urinating on the dead came not from eyewitnesses, but directly to MacKenzie, from a Tory MP and a senior Yorkshire police officer. These reports were uncorroborated by any other witnesses, and the editorial staff were originally intending to publish a completely different account, but MacKenzie overruled them. He had definitely not been at Hillsborough.
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    Post by Saintsar Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:24 am

    Mistletoe. wrote:Another blow against freedom of speach.


    When freedom of speech becomes the freedom to tell lies and persecute innocent people then it becomes completely valueless. Same with Muslims - freedom of speech is used as an excuse by tabloid editors who are under few if any legal obligations to tell the truth.


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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:32 pm

    Ale

    I'm in.
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    Post by Murray Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:42 pm

    Liverpool fans whinging again.
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    Post by Luis Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:44 pm

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    Post by L r d Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:47 pm

    Murray Claus wrote:Liverpool fans whinging again.

    I know, always find something. I read this guys column before, seemed to agree with most of what he said. On the liverpool fans thing, i didn't see what he said, but if he feels it was true, then he feels it was true. Giving him more publicity, which is what he probably what he wants anyway is a bit stupid.
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    Post by Luis Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:49 pm

    L r d wrote:
    Murray Claus wrote:Liverpool fans whinging again.

    I know, always find something. I read this guys column before, seemed to agree with most of what he said. On the liverpool fans thing, i didn't see what he said, but if he feels it was true, then he feels it was true. Giving him more publicity, which is what he probably what he wants anyway is a bit stupid.

    I think this is a bit more serious than just 'Liverpool fans whinging' think about why we dont want him on the air..
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:50 pm

    I can see this thread turning ugly... Whistle
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    Post by Fey Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:53 pm

    You really pissed on dead bodiesand nicked them??? I mean why does this guy make that up? He works for a paper, so imo he cant be allowed to make up stories..
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    Post by Roger Hunt Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:11 pm

    L r d wrote:
    i didn't see what he said, but if he feels it was true, then he feels it was true. Giving him more publicity, which is what he probably what he wants anyway is a bit stupid.

    Ron Atkinson 'felt it was true' that Marcel Desailly was a 'lazy nigger' but he didn't get support from TV companies for saying it.
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:36 pm

    L r d wrote:
    Murray Claus wrote:Liverpool fans whinging again.
    On the liverpool fans thing, i didn't see what he said, but if he feels it was true, then he feels it was true. Giving him more publicity, which is what he probably what he wants anyway is a bit stupid.

    Rolling Eyes I don’t think you understand.

    This guy lied about one of the countries biggest disasters for decades, and continues to get away with it. He can't justify printing it if the only evidence he has for such a sick story is 'he feels that it's true.'

    Retarded thing to say, ridiculous argument LRD. It’s not about whinging Liverpool fans, as you two so delicately put it, it’s about the immorality of the whole issue and the controversy surrounding his claims. How can he still be allowed to broadcast after lying like that, especially on government funded television?

    If you expect the ‘moaning’ Liverpool fans to just ignore the twat after he brought the issue up again out of the blue, then you can think again.
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    Post by Owen Thomas Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:49 pm

    The guy is a liar. Simple as.

    Allegations based on no evidence whatsoever. Scousers whine more then most people but this is ridiculous and he writes a shit column anyway.

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    Post by TM Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:02 pm

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    [email]Kelvin MacKenzie[/email]
    I cant believe i wrote this -- what was i thinking?!


    There you go Obi.
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    Post by Football Genius Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:24 pm

    A Crouching in a PearTree wrote:
    L r d wrote:
    Murray Claus wrote:Liverpool fans whinging again.
    On the liverpool fans thing, i didn't see what he said, but if he feels it was true, then he feels it was true. Giving him more publicity, which is what he probably what he wants anyway is a bit stupid.

    Rolling Eyes I don’t think you understand.

    This guy lied about one of the countries biggest disasters for decades, and continues to get away with it. He can't justify printing it if the only evidence he has for such a sick story is 'he feels that it's true.'

    Retarded thing to say, ridiculous argument LRD. It’s not about whinging Liverpool fans, as you two so delicately put it, it’s about the immorality of the whole issue and the controversy surrounding his claims. How can he still be allowed to broadcast after lying like that, especially on government funded television?

    If you expect the ‘moaning’ Liverpool fans to just ignore the twat after he brought the issue up again out of the blue, then you can think again.

    If it wasn't so generally aimed at 'liverpool' fans and rather an individual, im sure he'd be being sued for slander.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:39 pm

    3412. Aaron McKeown justice for the 96
    3411. Thor/Kenneth Maarnes
    3410. Malcolm Mackenzie
    3409. brian catterall nuff said
    3408. Vidar Borgen RIP the 96.
    3407. Jamie Ross
    3406. Torill Westad
    3405. Mikey B i hope he gets cancer


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