Petition to have term 'Big 4' changed to 'Big 3'

In light of the fact of recent confirmation that Liverpool are but a Cup team, we, the undersigned, would from this moment prefer if the media would please refer to Man United, Chelsea and Arsenal as the 'Big Three", and leave Liverpool scrapping with the Boltons and Fulhams of the world for the title of "best of the rest"


1-Parks Lives

confirmation that you are indeed the worst poster gracing these boards


WUM

In light of the fact that Liverpool are the most successful English club side of all time, having won the English league trophy, European Cup, and League Cup more times than any other English side (only the FA Cup, won most by a cup specialist side from Salford eludes them in this respect), and that there is no realistic prospect in the forseeable future of any of the other so-called 'Big 4' matching their achievements, we, the undersigned, would prefer if the media referred to the 'Big 1'.

This might also help the chips on the shoulders of their supporters

Trophies won by the big 4 since the arrival of Benitez and Mourinho.

Mourinho - Premiership (x2), League cup, Charity Shield.

Benitez - European Cup, European Super Cup, FA Cup, Charity Shield

Wenger - FA Cup

Ferguson - ... League Cup.

As Jose will say 'talk about the present'

those 18 league titles wont save Liverpool ..

Roger_Hunt wrote:In light of the fact that Liverpool are the most successful English club side of all time, having won the English league trophy, European Cup, and League Cup more times than any other English side (only the FA Cup, won most by a cup specialist side from Salford eludes them in this respect), and that there is no realistic prospect in the forseeable future of any of the other so-called 'Big 4' matching their achievements, we, the undersigned, would prefer if the media referred to the 'Big 1'.

This might also help the chips on the shoulders of their supporters

So....Long....ago.

We've won 2 major trophies since your last major trophy win....

Roger_Hunt wrote:We've won 2 major trophies since your last major trophy win....

And you failed to win the Intercontinental Cup

shame, that 'old guy' at Old Trafford is the only BRITISH and manager of a English team to win that trophy ...

Rafa cant beat Wenger, SAF and Jose .. even Mclaren has beaten all 3!! (in one season)

Parks Lives wrote:In light of the fact of recent confirmation that Liverpool are but a Cup team, we, the undersigned, would from this moment prefer if the media would please refer to Man United, Chelsea and Arsenal as the 'Big Three", and leave Liverpool scrapping with the Boltons and Fulhams of the world for the title of "best of the rest"


1-Parks Lives

I keep hearing the same rumours about you and satsumas

rai Mihawk wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:We've won 2 major trophies since your last major trophy win....

And you failed to win the Intercontinental Cup

shame, that 'old guy' at Old Trafford is the only BRITISH and manager of a English team to win that trophy ...

Rafa cant beat Wenger, SAF and Jose .. even Mclaren has beaten all 3!! (in one season)

dear oh dear..

don't let park drag you down to his level rai

rai Mihawk wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:We've won 2 major trophies since your last major trophy win....

And you failed to win the Intercontinental Cup

No, we failed to win the "world club championships", we haven't played our intercontinental cup game.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=423069&CPID=23&clid=179&lid=26&title=Boca-Sevilla+clash+gets+go-ahead


We lost in the finals of the World Club Championships... Do you remember how United did in that very competition?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/12/99/world_club_championship/manchester_united/597555.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/12/99/world_club_championship/manchester_united/595844.stm

Oh and Benitez has beaten Wenger twice in 4 meetings, knocked Chelsea out of 2 semi-finals and beaten Ferguson in the cup. Poor record in the league, but in the important one off matches, he has your number

rai Mihawk wrote: And you failed to win the Intercontinental Cup

Wow, you've got me there. That still rankles. I'd trade 3 European cups for that bit of tinfoil in a minute.

COTR wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:We've won 2 major trophies since your last major trophy win....

And you failed to win the Intercontinental Cup

shame, that 'old guy' at Old Trafford is the only BRITISH and manager of a English team to win that trophy ...

Rafa cant beat Wenger, SAF and Jose .. even Mclaren has beaten all 3!! (in one season)

dear oh dear..

don't let park drag you down to his level rai

.. I still believe Liverpool are in the title race.

Liverpool are still the greatest club in England!!!!!

It is a pity though they play so bad at the moment...

It was never 4.
Man Utd arsenal battled it out for every title, then chelsea came along.

Liverpool league position 5th 3rd now 4th at best this is not consistent top team like man utd and arsenal and now also chelsea.
The european cup win made people say top 4 but this is a one off in a cup.

Liverpool's tally of eighteen Football League championships is a record for English clubs, their nearest challenger being Manchester United with fifteen. Liverpool have also achieved the League and FA Cup "Double" in 1986 and two "Trebles". The first treble of League, League Cup and European Cup was achieved in 1984 (the first English club to win three major competitions in a single season) and a second treble was achieved in 2001 with the winning of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.

Liverpool's total of five European Cups is an English record and the third highest total overall, after Real Madrid and A.C. Milan. The fifth victory in 2005 entitled Liverpool to receive the UEFA badge of honour, thus allowing them to keep the trophy permanently.

Liverpool's total of three UEFA Cups is a record for English clubs and also ties the overall record with Inter Milan and Juventus. The tallies of seven League Cups and three European Super Cups are also English records.

What a cruddy load of wind-up toss. By this logic we'd have been dropped from the "top three" long before the end of last season. Yawn...

Glenn Hysen wrote:Liverpool's tally of eighteen Football League championships is a record for English clubs, their nearest challenger being Manchester United with fifteen. Liverpool have also achieved the League and FA Cup "Double" in 1986 and two "Trebles". The first treble of League, League Cup and European Cup was achieved in 1984 (the first English club to win three major competitions in a single season) and a second treble was achieved in 2001 with the winning of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.

Liverpool's total of five European Cups is an English record and the third highest total overall, after Real Madrid and A.C. Milan. The fifth victory in 2005 entitled Liverpool to receive the UEFA badge of honour, thus allowing them to keep the trophy permanently.

Liverpool's total of three UEFA Cups is a record for English clubs and also ties the overall record with Inter Milan and Juventus. The tallies of seven League Cups and three European Super Cups are also English records.

United are on 16 now, aren't they?

Two, trebles. Hahaha.

Obispo wrote:

United are on 16 now, aren't they?

silly me

shall we give them another European Cup for good measure?

Parks Lives wrote:Two, trebles. Hahaha.

yes. Do you need an explaination of the word treble?

To make or become triple. Three trophys. Dickhead.

wait ..

The most famous type of treble, the European Treble commonly known simply as The Treble, consists of winning a country's top tier league and the major domestic cup competition, as well as the European Cup/Champions League. Only four teams have achieved this rare distinction:

Celtic F.C. - The 1967 team won the Scottish Premier League, Scottish Cup, and the European Cup. They also captured the Scottish League Cup and the Glasgow Cup.

Ajax Amsterdam - The 1972 team won the Dutch Eredivisie, KNVB Cup, and the European Cup. They also won Intercontinental Cup.

PSV Eindhoven - The 1988 team won the Dutch Eredivisie, KNVB Cup, and the European Cup.

Manchester United - The 1999 team won the English Premier League, the FA Cup, and the Champions League. They also won the Intercontinental Cup.


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However

Glenn is right -

Liverpool - The 1984 team became the first English club to win three major competitions in the same season when they won the league championship, the League Cup and the European Cup; they missed out on the European Treble as they were eliminated in the FA Cup.

Liverpool - The 2001 team won a unique treble of the F.A Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup. This has been referred to as a Cup Treble. Some opposition fans have mockingly labelled it as the Mickey Mouse Treble. The club also went on to capture the FA Community Shield and European Super Cup, making them the first English team to win five trophies in one year.



There have been several instances of teams just missing out on trebles. Some of the more notable occurences include


Liverpool - The 1977 team won the English League, lost to Manchester United 1-2 in the FA Cup final, then beat Borussia Mönchengladbach 3-1 to win the European Cup (Manchester United themselves became the first English side to complete this treble twenty-two years later).

Glenn Hysen wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:Two, trebles. Hahaha.

yes. Do you need an explaination of the word treble?

To make or become triple. Three trophys. Dickhead.

Park lives- The new deisler???

similar brain capacity

To be honest i think us Liverpool fans should petition for the big 'one' because no other club in England comes close to being as successful as us.

Bet it was great last year to have to pay to come and see good ole big ears you won in 99 sitting in our trophey cabinet....... permanently hey Parky

There is still a 'big 4' for me.

BilalShah wrote:There is still a 'big 4' for me.

Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Manu?

ricardojol wrote:

BilalShah wrote:There is still a 'big 4' for me.

Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Manu?

Maybe it is top 4 due to being better than the rest, But reality there is a gap between top 3 and the next team. Just like when people claimed top 4 there was a gap between them and tottenham. I never heard top 5 just because tottenham were better than the rest below them by a distance. So it is top 3

If Liverpool aint a big club then what is?? I mean they maybe don't have a big team, but they are still a big club. I think they won almost as much as all the other 3 together? And they have a huge fanbase as well....and aren't being lead by a Russian mob or an American ginger-jew

@ Fey

Chelsea fans would argue that Roman is more than a owner .. a fan and he wants best for the club ...

I'm not sure (at the moment) if Glazer is on the same level, he really needs to look at Randy Lerner ..


Liverpool are a Big club in terms of History and stature ... but at this moment they are not big in term of who's running the show (aka The Premiership)

Can I just refer all knee jerkers back to obispo's first post

Obispo wrote:Trophies won by the big 4 since the arrival of Benitez and Mourinho.

Mourinho - Premiership (x2), League cup, Charity Shield.

Benitez - European Cup, European Super Cup, FA Cup, Charity Shield

Wenger - FA Cup

Ferguson - ... League Cup.

Also does this supposed top 3 just change every season with arsenal being promoted and us relegated in this season's reckoning or is it just a way for the only two people supporting the idea (Lrd and spank) to feel better about themselves.