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    Post by Tom Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:40 pm

    Ballack wrote:
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    Isar Truppe wrote:Terry was shown up once again. No Gallas, no Makelele, no chance.

    Exactly.
    wen was terry shown up?
    if you mean the cross, then that wasnt his fault. CArvalho was sucked out Terry had to cover what he could, ball was high.

    As a keeper your taugh to come out, the ball was high, he had plenty of time to come out. Not to gather the ball, but to close down crouch. I know that and im 15 years younger than carlo.
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    Post by Target M Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:41 pm

    COTR wrote:
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    Isar Truppe wrote:Terry was shown up once again. No Gallas, no Makelele, no chance.

    Exactly.
    wen was terry shown up?
    he made one mistake missing a cross to my knowledge.... this is all down to makalele not being there apparently:)

    Chelsea's midfield was being over ran by Lpools but its not all down to Maka's absence.
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    Post by Target M Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:42 pm

    @ Ballack dont you think Chelsea play to narrow? I think Jose needs to get his tactics right, Lpool; Pennant, Gonzalez, MU; Ronaldo, Giggs and a few other teams use wingers which will expose the current formation.
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    Post by Tom Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:43 pm

    Ballack wrote:
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    Isar Truppe wrote:Terry was shown up once again. No Gallas, no Makelele, no chance.

    Exactly.
    wen was terry shown up?
    if you mean the cross, then that wasnt his fault. CArvalho was sucked out Terry had to cover what he could, ball was high.

    As a keeper your taugh to come out, the ball was high, he had plenty of time to come out. Not to gather the ball, but to close down crouch. I know that and im 15 years younger than carlo.
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    Post by COTR Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:43 pm

    so what u are trying to say is because makalele and gallas were not playing this caused terry to loss the giant crouch to an inch perfect cross from bellamy Smile... i don't blame him one bit for riise's goal
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    Post by The Pröfessör Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:43 pm

    Ballack wrote:
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    Ballack wrote:i didnt. I jumped up and hit the roof, hurt like a bitch

    And your reaction to Risse's wonder goal??

    -- i think Sheva is basically showing his desire (yes he was treated like a king at Milan, but hes moved on)

    P.S there are certain players at Chelsea who need to show this desire (i wont give names)
    for riises goal i went "WHAT" in all honesty i could have saved that. I deal with those types of shots week in week out... Rolling Eyes

    My little brother (who happens to support Liverpool) went ballistic ... then when Sheva scored started to criticise the players...then Crouch's scored -- he started to shout 'Englands finest..' Shocked

    @ Global FC your expect to gobble up those shots...

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    Ballack, never knew you played for a team? i have a mate who plays in Goal for a local team (Liverpool fan and Italian), always telling him van der Sar is better than Buffon and Reina..i was abused after the WC..
    the thing is with that shot, there were no pool players for 25 yrds. He could have pushed it away, or knocked it down. The ball swerved yes, but thats to be expected, and yu have to deal with it...

    Yes cudicini could have done better but what about terry? To me, he was the one most at fault, all he had to do was to attack riise coz he was practtically on an island with no pool players around and the worse that could have happened was a free kick conceded or a yellow card given to him but no, he just kept backing off giving riise all the time and space to shoot
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    Post by Tom Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:44 pm

    COTR wrote:so what u are trying to say is because makalele and gallas were not playing this caused terry to loss the giant crouch to an inch perfect cross from bellamy Smile... i don't blame him one bit for riise's goal
    Rolling Eyes the things ppl will go to, to have a dig at chelsea. ITs pathetic.
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    Post by Target M Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:45 pm

    COTR wrote:so what u are trying to say is because makalele and gallas were not playing this caused terry to loss the giant crouch to an inch perfect cross from bellamy Smile... i don't blame him one bit for riise's goal

    Makelele hardly goes up for corners, where as Ballack, Lamps and Essien all did leaving the midfield wide open, and then to run back.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:46 pm

    Agooner wrote:
    the worse that could have happened was a free kick conceded or a yellow card given to him

    Don't think I agree with this - 6 minutes in, you don't want to give away a free kick within shooting range (admittedly we haven't got any decent free-kick takers) and you certainly don't want to get a card.

    Why wasn't it reasonable of Terry to assume Cudicini would have the shot covered?
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:49 pm

    I think blaming the first goal on Terry is very harsh.

    Its the same as I said in the Terry for captain thread about Rio and Silvestre in the Milan game. No centre backs can legislate for fuck ups like that from a goalkeeper. From a goalkeeper of Cudicini's quality and experience that was rank awful goalkeeping.

    The second one was a mixture of players at fault, Terry included.
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    Post by Tom Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:49 pm

    Agooner wrote:
    Ballack wrote:
    rai Mihawk wrote:
    Ballack wrote:
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    Ballack wrote:i didnt. I jumped up and hit the roof, hurt like a bitch

    And your reaction to Risse's wonder goal??

    -- i think Sheva is basically showing his desire (yes he was treated like a king at Milan, but hes moved on)

    P.S there are certain players at Chelsea who need to show this desire (i wont give names)
    for riises goal i went "WHAT" in all honesty i could have saved that. I deal with those types of shots week in week out... Rolling Eyes

    My little brother (who happens to support Liverpool) went ballistic ... then when Sheva scored started to criticise the players...then Crouch's scored -- he started to shout 'Englands finest..' Shocked

    @ Global FC your expect to gobble up those shots...

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    Ballack, never knew you played for a team? i have a mate who plays in Goal for a local team (Liverpool fan and Italian), always telling him van der Sar is better than Buffon and Reina..i was abused after the WC..
    the thing is with that shot, there were no pool players for 25 yrds. He could have pushed it away, or knocked it down. The ball swerved yes, but thats to be expected, and yu have to deal with it...

    Yes cudicini could have done better but what about terry? To me, he was the one most at fault, all he had to do was to attack riise coz he was practtically on an island with no pool players around and the worse that could have happened was a free kick conceded or a yellow card given to him but no, he just kept backing off giving riise all the time and space to shoot
    Shocked Terry did everything rite. He shot from 30 yrds!!! Any one can save that!!! Essien was trcking riise, and then left to follow pennant. Riise just shot randomly and its in. Nothing wrong with terry there. Honestly yyour pathetic
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    Post by The Pröfessör Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:57 pm

    Roger_Hunt wrote:
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    the worse that could have happened was a free kick conceded or a yellow card given to him

    Don't think I agree with this - 6 minutes in, you don't want to give away a free kick within shooting range (admittedly we haven't got any decent free-kick takers) and you certainly don't want to get a card.

    Why wasn't it reasonable of Terry to assume Cudicini would have the shot covered?

    He could have actually dealt with the situation without giving away a free kick or getting a card. I was just talking about the worst case scenario.

    as a defender, what do u really hope to achieve by backing off giving the opposition all the time and space to attack u?
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    Post by Target M Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:59 pm

    I think it was down to the main factor that they just had a corner and everyone was rushing back, last thing Terry wants is to go towards Riise and fail and let Riise 1 on 1 with Carlo, best thing he should have done was get tighter and make Riise pass.
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    Post by Tom Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:59 pm

    Agooner wrote:
    Roger_Hunt wrote:
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    the worse that could have happened was a free kick conceded or a yellow card given to him

    Don't think I agree with this - 6 minutes in, you don't want to give away a free kick within shooting range (admittedly we haven't got any decent free-kick takers) and you certainly don't want to get a card.

    Why wasn't it reasonable of Terry to assume Cudicini would have the shot covered?

    He could have actually dealt with the situation without giving away a free kick or getting a card. I was just talking about the worst case scenario.

    as a defender, what do u really hope to achieve by backing off giving the opposition all the time and space to attack u?
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    Post by Hardrada Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:00 pm

    People are blaming Terry for the 1st goal ?

    wow.
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    Post by Tom Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:00 pm

    Hardrada wrote:People are blaming Terry for the 1st goal ?

    wow.
    i know, thats how desprate people have become
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    Post by Target M Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:00 pm

    @ Hardarda Laughing

    Target Man wrote:I think it was down to the main factor that they just had a corner and everyone was rushing back, last thing Terry wants is to go towards Riise and fail and let Riise 1 on 1 with Carlo, best thing he should have done was get tighter and make Riise pass.


    & it was Carlo's fault.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:01 pm

    Target Man wrote:I think it was down to the main factor that they just had a corner and everyone was rushing back, last thing Terry wants is to go towards Riise and fail and let Riise 1 on 1 with Carlo, best thing he should have done was get tighter and make Riise pass.

    my point exactly!
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    Post by Target M Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:02 pm

    My point too Rolling Eyes
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    Post by The Pröfessör Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:05 pm

    @ handrada and Ballack

    This is not a dig at Terry. I never get involved in continuosly slating opposition players . I rate Terry as a defender but i just found it strange that everyone is talking about cudicini's mistake but are failing to mention that terry could have also done better
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    Post by blutgraetsche Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:06 pm

    Blaming Terry alone is pointless. Chelsea's defence as a whole didn't look good, especially the fullbacks didn't have a good match.
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    Post by dont panic! Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:18 pm

    whats all this talk about crouch being ugly?

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    Post by L r d Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:49 pm

    Uhh... People are forgetting the one major mistake Terry made. He did nothing wrong for the first goal, any defender with that lack of pace would have backed off. I can't count the times Hyypia or Carragher have done something similar, only to remain unpunished.

    Terry's major cock-up was that mis-clearence after we'd scored our second, the one where the ball went through to Aurelio who forced a great save from Cudicini, atoning for his earlier error.

    That's the one that Andy Gray said "an uncharacteristic mistake from John Terry".

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