Cristiano Ronaldo on his way to Madrid

Roger_Hunt wrote:

And you'll be dumping Smith within the next 12 months

You won't hear me moaning about that.

He would of gone last summer if it wasn't for the injury.

poiuy1 wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Obispo wrote:
Pip - unless you want to offer some kind of stat that says how many games Smith has actually played in midfield, I'll just assume you're talking bollocks.

Moro > Smith.

Thats fair enough, stick your head in the sand as usual.

I know, lets use an argument beloved of Utd fans... when they look at their trohy cabinets at the end of their careers, who'll have the best haul of medals?

I know who my money'll be on... (And you'll be dumping Smith within the next 12 months)

I didn't know being a football fan was a career maybe it is for people liuek Obispo and Cooper

keep up poop

poiuy1 wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Obispo wrote:
Pip - unless you want to offer some kind of stat that says how many games Smith has actually played in midfield, I'll just assume you're talking bollocks.

Moro > Smith.

Thats fair enough, stick your head in the sand as usual.

I know, lets use an argument beloved of Utd fans... when they look at their trohy cabinets at the end of their careers, who'll have the best haul of medals?

I know who my money'll be on... (And you'll be dumping Smith within the next 12 months)

I didn't know being a football fan was a career maybe it is for people liuek Obispo and Cooper

Jesus, i apologise for my use of a hanging participle on a forum.

Roger_Hunt wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If this is a Morientes V Smith arguement then there can be NO winner guys

I know that, I just find it funny that they can laugh at Smith and not Morientes.

? Eh?

Who said we can't laugh at Morientes? It's just that
1) He's better than Smith
2) He's not an offensive little arsehole

Hence Smith is much funnier.

Are we arguing about their entire careers or ust their careers at ehri respective clubs here?

Tweedle wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If this is a Morientes V Smith arguement then there can be NO winner guys

I know that, I just find it funny that they can laugh at Smith and not Morientes.

? Eh?

Who said we can't laugh at Morientes? It's just that
1) He's better than Smith
2) He's not an offensive little arsehole

Hence Smith is much funnier.

Are we arguing about their entire careers or ust their careers at ehri respective clubs here?

It's just United V Liverpool

Tweedle wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If this is a Morientes V Smith arguement then there can be NO winner guys

I know that, I just find it funny that they can laugh at Smith and not Morientes.

? Eh?

Who said we can't laugh at Morientes? It's just that
1) He's better than Smith
2) He's not an offensive little arsehole

Hence Smith is much funnier.

Are we arguing about their entire careers or ust their careers at ehri respective clubs here?

Well really we should be judging them on there respective time at Liverpool and Man United.

The Liverpool fans will obviously try and look round that though.

Their entire careers, we're talking about who's the better player surely

poiuy1 wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If this is a Morientes V Smith arguement then there can be NO winner guys

I know that, I just find it funny that they can laugh at Smith and not Morientes.

? Eh?

Who said we can't laugh at Morientes? It's just that
1) He's better than Smith
2) He's not an offensive little arsehole

Hence Smith is much funnier.

Are we arguing about their entire careers or ust their careers at ehri respective clubs here?

It's just United V Liverpool

Toughy, both were poor.

I couldn't seperate them in their poorness, they both had one or two good patches surrounded by a mire of shitness

Roger_Hunt wrote:Their entire careers, we're talking about who's the better player surely

Apparently not

If its just their careers at Liverpool and utd I'd say its equal, if its entire careers then its clearly Morientes

Parks lives wrote:
Well really we should be judging them on there respective time at Liverpool and Man United.

The Liverpool fans will obviously try and look round that though.

Actually , Obi's already posted the stats which clearly show Morientes was better, and you then started to make excuses.

But keep on digging....

Theyre both crap, although Morientes was good at Real. Personally I wouldnt want either in my team, I dont know how the argument started. Moreintes was Liverpools star striker Smith was united s 4th choice striker and all ways will be.

Well did Morientes play 20 games in midfield?

It was only one more goal as well.

Roger_Hunt wrote:

Parks lives wrote:
Well really we should be judging them on there respective time at Liverpool and Man United.

The Liverpool fans will obviously try and look round that though.

Actually , Obi's already posted the stats which clearly show Morientes was better, and you then started to make excuses.

But keep on digging....

Not really, smith did play quite a lot in midfield, if the guy can rarely score as a striker, what chance as a midfielder. the stats dont prove anything at all

Roger_Hunt wrote:

Parks lives wrote:
Well really we should be judging them on there respective time at Liverpool and Man United.

The Liverpool fans will obviously try and look round that though.

Actually , Obi's already posted the stats which clearly show Morientes was better, and you then started to make excuses.

But keep on digging....

Smith played in midfield a lot, at their best Smith>Morientes, he had that run of about 10-12 games in which he looked top class

Morientes was meant to be Liverpools RVN, Smith was meant to be Liverpools version of Fowler (dont know who your 4th choice striker was in 2004)

The stats don't say he's played 20 games in midfield either. Thats just a random number longstockings has picked to attempt to prove his point.

Shall we mention Morientes' 7 direct assists (11 if you use the tomkins method) last season to go with his 5 Premiership goals. Not bad considering he only made 28 appearences (god knows how many were as sub) in the premiership.

"While Morientes' overall strike rate was approximately one goal every five games his ratio is closer to one goal every three 90 minute periods - far more respctable and closer to what would be expected."

Rez wrote:Morientes was meant to be Liverpools RVN, Smith was meant to be Liverpools version of Fowler (dont know who your 4th choice striker was in 2004)

He was never meant to be our RVN considering we rotate our front players so often and the fact that everyone overlooks the fact that every club apart from Real Zaragoza he's been the '2nd' striker.

Rez wrote:Theyre both crap, although Morientes was good at Real. Personally I wouldnt want either in my team, I dont know how the argument started. Moreintes was Liverpools star striker Smith was united s 4th choice striker and all ways will be.

Nah Cisse was our 'star' striker (albeit crocked).

But if Smith was your 4th choice all the more argument that you overpaid for him.

Obispo wrote:The stats don't say he's played 20 games in midfield either. Thats just a random number longstockings has picked to attempt to prove his point.

Shall we mention Morientes' 7 direct assists (11 if you use the tomkins method) last season to go with his 5 Premiership goals. Not bad considering he only made 28 appearences (god knows how many were as sub) in the premiership.

"While Morientes' overall strike rate was approximately one goal every five games his ratio is closer to one goal every three 90 minute periods - far more respctable and closer to what would be expected."

this is getting silly now

Stats dont mean anything, if he played so well, why did you sell him for nothing. He was crap for Liverpool, admit it. I will admit Smiths not united quality, why try to defend the undefendable.

Roger_Hunt wrote:

Rez wrote:Theyre both crap, although Morientes was good at Real. Personally I wouldnt want either in my team, I dont know how the argument started. Moreintes was Liverpools star striker Smith was united s 4th choice striker and all ways will be.

Nah Cisse was our 'star' striker (albeit crocked).

But if Smith was your 4th choice all the more argument that you overpaid for him.

Especially considering they paid £11mil for Saha just that January and whatever it was for Rooney just a month later

Obispo wrote:The stats don't say he's played 20 games in midfield either. Thats just a random number longstockings has picked to attempt to prove his point.

Shall we mention Morientes' 7 direct assists (11 if you use the tomkins method) last season to go with his 5 Premiership goals. Not bad considering he only made 28 appearences (god knows how many were as sub) in the premiership.

"While Morientes' overall strike rate was approximately one goal every five games his ratio is closer to one goal every three 90 minute periods - far more respctable and closer to what would be expected."

Joker.

It was probably more than 20 to be honest.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=15335

His first game in midfield was the game away against Villarreal and he played in almost every game up until the Liverpool cup game.

poiuy1 wrote:

Obispo wrote:The stats don't say he's played 20 games in midfield either. Thats just a random number longstockings has picked to attempt to prove his point.

Shall we mention Morientes' 7 direct assists (11 if you use the tomkins method) last season to go with his 5 Premiership goals. Not bad considering he only made 28 appearences (god knows how many were as sub) in the premiership.

"While Morientes' overall strike rate was approximately one goal every five games his ratio is closer to one goal every three 90 minute periods - far more respctable and closer to what would be expected."

:sleep: this is getting silly now

Yeah, the Man U guys need to give up this ridiculous pretence that Smith is any good.

Strange whenever liverpool fans were on the t.v they all seemed to think he was total shit. watching ssn one time before a cl game, they just watched liverpool training, they were saying he cannot even score in training. him and cisse kept missing, crouch and fowler keep putting them away. things along these lines. heskey probably has a better goalscoring record for liverpool than morientes

Roger_Hunt wrote:

poiuy1 wrote:

Obispo wrote:The stats don't say he's played 20 games in midfield either. Thats just a random number longstockings has picked to attempt to prove his point.

Shall we mention Morientes' 7 direct assists (11 if you use the tomkins method) last season to go with his 5 Premiership goals. Not bad considering he only made 28 appearences (god knows how many were as sub) in the premiership.

"While Morientes' overall strike rate was approximately one goal every five games his ratio is closer to one goal every three 90 minute periods - far more respctable and closer to what would be expected."

this is getting silly now

Yeah, the Man U guys need to give up this ridiculous pretence that Smith is any good.

He's shite i think we all think or know that with the exception nutters (the clue is in the name)

Rez wrote:Stats dont mean anything, if he played so well, why did you sell him for nothing. He was crap for Liverpool, admit it. I will admit Smiths not united quality, why try to defend the undefendable.

I've never said he was good for us. He was way below what was expected. He was still better than Alan Smith though.

Why should I call a striker who's succeeded everywhere else he's played crap when the most you'll say about that useless peroxide cripple is that he's "not United quality"

^^^^^^^^^

Listen

Roger_Hunt wrote:

poiuy1 wrote:

Obispo wrote:The stats don't say he's played 20 games in midfield either. Thats just a random number longstockings has picked to attempt to prove his point.

Shall we mention Morientes' 7 direct assists (11 if you use the tomkins method) last season to go with his 5 Premiership goals. Not bad considering he only made 28 appearences (god knows how many were as sub) in the premiership.

"While Morientes' overall strike rate was approximately one goal every five games his ratio is closer to one goal every three 90 minute periods - far more respctable and closer to what would be expected."

:sleep: this is getting silly now

Yeah, the Man U guys need to give up this ridiculous pretence that Smith is any good.

Are you retarded?

We've all said he wasn't good enough and we wouldn't mind if he was sold.

You and Obi are the one's arguing that Morientes was good for you. FFS.

Arguing he was good or arguing that he was a better buy that Smith?

Guess they're one in the same when you're using them to prop up an agenda.

L r d wrote:Strange whenever liverpool fans were on the t.v they all seemed to think he was total shit. watching ssn one time before a cl game, they just watched liverpool training, they were saying he cannot even score in training. him and cisse kept missing, crouch and fowler keep putting them away. things along these lines. heskey probably has a better goalscoring record for liverpool than morientes

Moritentes wasn't Liverpool's best ever player, but when compared to the headless chicken bleep test of a footballer that is Alan Smith, he is worthy of our affection.

It's a strange argument. We really should be discussing how much United will get for Ronaldo and how much Malcome "sell to buy" Glazer will let Fergie spend on Dennis Rommedahl as his natural replacement.