Bayern: what now ?

Not just our domestic record. We've had more success in Europe as well.

And as West Ham fans would say, we won the World Cup!

Bilal wrote:And no way Ronnie is coming to Bayern , if he leaves United then it will be for Spain.

Or the club of his heart, Benfica.

Perhaps when he is older , Sporting more likely.

Riquelme is having some serious issues with the villarreal coach and will pobably leave in january are at the end of the season and i think a club like bayern would be a great place for the 2nd best player in the world, but inter are also interested

Now that they need so many midfielders, I'm sure Bayern might rekindle their interest in Emre as well.

good summary of the situation

http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_777427.html

what do you guys make of Alintop ?

anybody here believe that Beiersdorfer would survive selling VDV ?

Roger_Hunt wrote:Man United do have a lot of debt, but at the moment and for as long as they continue to be successful on the pitch they seem to have more money available to spend on transfers and wages than Bayern seem to be willing to do. As for their hardcore supporters dumping them - they have the largest capacity stadium of any club in England and it's almost always nearly sold out.

Agree that football didn't start 20 years ago (and on that basis Liverpool are a bigger club than Bayern ) but recent performance is more important to players because they want to join a winning side. And your domestic record is only better than Man United because your domestic league is weaker.

I can't believe I've just done 3 posts on how Man U are a big club . No-one tell Parks.

Man Utd have the highest average attendance in Europe at the moment

Bayern are a huge club in Germany, but no player who is in demand by the top clubs in Italy, Spaain and England will go there.

Bayern should stick to poaching players from the German league.

Ps PSV/Ajax are historically as big as Bayern, but no good player over the age of 23 wants to go there.

otto: Albion's No 1 fan wrote:

anybody here believe that Beiersdorfer would survive selling VDV ?

He's going to have to....I can't see VDV staying at that unambitious excuse for a football club....

Well, I wouldn't call Hamburg unambitious. Quite the opposite actually. They bit off more than they could chew.

Roger_Hunt wrote:Man United do have a lot of debt, but at the moment and for as long as they continue to be successful on the pitch they seem to have more money available to spend on transfers and wages than Bayern seem to be willing to do. As for their hardcore supporters dumping them - they have the largest capacity stadium of any club in England and it's almost always nearly sold out.

Agree that football didn't start 20 years ago (and on that basis Liverpool are a bigger club than Bayern ) but recent performance is more important to players because they want to join a winning side. And your domestic record is only better than Man United because your domestic league is weaker.

I can't believe I've just done 3 posts on how Man U are a big club . No-one tell Parks.

Sorry my friend, i've saved this thread for posterity!

@ DD,

what have Joe Cole and Harry Kewell got in common? I dont understand the comparison..

@Isar,

Ronaldo will never go to Germany, thats outrageous. Bayern could never afford him for a start.

@Otto,

Hargreaves is English. His parents are English. You might aswel get over it at some point!

The fat Ronaldo might...

The Real White Powder wrote:@ DD,

@Otto,

Hargreaves is English. His parents are English. You might aswel get over it at some point!

But he is canadian when he starts making mistakes...

Ricardo Jol wrote:

The Real White Powder wrote:@ DD,

@Otto,

Hargreaves is English. His parents are English. You might aswel get over it at some point!

But he is canadian when he starts making mistakes...

Is he? He's more English than Zidane is French, or Giggs is Welsh, or Seedorf is Dutch. I think it riles the Germans that he chose to play for England over possibly playing for Germany. Why would he want to play for Germany after all, he only ended up there by total chance anyway (read his column!)

Tweedle wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:Man United do have a lot of debt, but at the moment and for as long as they continue to be successful on the pitch they seem to have more money available to spend on transfers and wages than Bayern seem to be willing to do. As for their hardcore supporters dumping them - they have the largest capacity stadium of any club in England and it's almost always nearly sold out.

Agree that football didn't start 20 years ago (and on that basis Liverpool are a bigger club than Bayern ) but recent performance is more important to players because they want to join a winning side. And your domestic record is only better than Man United because your domestic league is weaker.

I can't believe I've just done 3 posts on how Man U are a big club . No-one tell Parks.

Man Utd have the highest average attendance in Europe at the moment

Really? More than Dortmund? I suppose it's possible with their current capacity if Dortmund hasn't been a complete sell-out lately... but what are the stats? Any links?

Re Hargreaves and nationality, I don't see how anyone can make such arbitrary and franky ludicrous statements as "he's more English" than e.g. the French born-and-bred Zidane is French, Giggs, son of a Welsh father born in Wales, is Welsh, or Seedorf, who despite being born in Surinam like many Dutch immigrants grew up in Holland and has Dutch parents I think, is Dutch.

You can define these things in terms of birth, parentage, upbringing or long residency, and Hargreaves I think was born and grew up in Canada and has one English and one Welsh parent, and has lived in Deutschland since he was 16. His accent and intonation sound all over the place in terms of influence – sounds a true internationalist. So he has every right to play for England, but your comments, Mr Powder, are nothing short of bizarre.

Besides, you know Otto is only on the wind-up when he calls him, not unjustifiably, "the Canadian"

@ Bayern fans

Whats this i hear, Bayern interested in signing Luka Modric?

Hargreaves was never given the option to play for Germany. To be honest, he wouldn't get in ahead of Frings anyway.

He's nearly 26 years of age and has never even lived in England. His decision to play for England is a strange one. I feel sorry for him, because the English will turn on him in a heartbeat if he dips in form for any game.

@ allez

Damn you! I've tried to find a thread we had on this but I can't, however I found a post where Messiah posted the top ten from last season:

Top 10 (05-06)

1) Barcelona-73225
2) Dortmund-72627
3) Real-71544
4) Man Utd-68765
5) Bayern-67641
6) Schalke 04-61299
7) Milan 60000
8 ) Hamburger SV-52629
9) N.Castle-52032
10) Inter-51371

Now assuming Dortmund have the same, Man Utds average this season has been about 75,500.

Also Arsenal will now be in 7th

The Real White Powder wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:

The Real White Powder wrote:@ DD,

@Otto,

Hargreaves is English. His parents are English. You might aswel get over it at some point!

But he is canadian when he starts making mistakes...

Is he? He's more English than Zidane is French, or Giggs is Welsh, or Seedorf is Dutch. I think it riles the Germans that he chose to play for England over possibly playing for Germany. Why would he want to play for Germany after all, he only ended up there by total chance anyway (read his column!)

I don't see why you say that He is more....

I only said that the people make him a Canadian/German if he makes mistakes but if he plays well he is FULL English...

I still hear the whistles from the crowd to Hargreaves after he touched his first ball this WC....

Tweedle - http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

I agree with all that, though they're clearly fecking lucky to have him right now and owe him some contrite respect for the foreseeable future after the disgraceful media-led witchhunt last year. I would hope even the English would step back and afford him some well-earned support now.

Strange decision indeed in a way, though there's not much of a Canadian football team is there? From my own perspective I can well understand that for people people whose birth, parentage, upbringing and place of residency don't coincide, it's about how you feel.

Isar Truppe wrote:Tweedle - http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

It only does up to the 04/05 season though

Not if you click on the country links on the left. You get the 2007 option.

Man Utd: 75,738
Dortmund: 70,340