Ultimate current penalty takers.

S4P wrote:As for overrated, how many goals has Fabregas got this system? Lampard probably has more than the entire Arsenal midfield.

Season?

Two vs. Dynamo Zagreb.
One vs. Blackburn Rovers.

Rosicky has five this season and Gilberto Silva has eight goals to his name.

S4P wrote:As for overrated, how many goals has Fabregas got this system? Lampard probably has more than the entire Arsenal midfield.

fabregas leads the assist chart. the chelsea system allows Lamprd to take pot shots from all over the pitch. lampard is shit. any other system apart from chelseas exposes lampard for what he really is. Shit! when Lampard plays for england he is total bollocks.

Cesc wrote:

S4P wrote:As for overrated, how many goals has Fabregas got this system? Lampard probably has more than the entire Arsenal midfield.

Season?

Two vs. Dynamo Zagreb.
One vs. Blackburn Rovers.

Rosicky has five this season and Gilberto Silva has eight goals to his name.

So that's 15. Lampard has 17.

S4P wrote:

Cesc wrote:

S4P wrote:As for overrated, how many goals has Fabregas got this system? Lampard probably has more than the entire Arsenal midfield.

Season?

Two vs. Dynamo Zagreb.
One vs. Blackburn Rovers.

Rosicky has five this season and Gilberto Silva has eight goals to his name.

So that's 15. Lampard has 17.

hleb has three.
baptista has 7

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

S4P wrote:As for overrated, how many goals has Fabregas got this system? Lampard probably has more than the entire Arsenal midfield.

fabregas leads the assist chart. the chelsea system allows Lamprd to take pot shots from all over the pitch. lampard is shit. any other system apart from chelseas exposes lampard for what he really is. Shit! when Lampard plays for england he is total bollocks.

So is Gerrard, Rooney, Robinson and almost every other player save 1 or 2.

Fabregas is awful whenever he plays for Spain too, perhaps worse than Lampard for England.

When Fabregas has won a Premiership medal and runner-up at the Ballon D'or and FIFA WPOTY, we'll compare the 2.

S4P wrote:

Cesc wrote:

S4P wrote:As for overrated, how many goals has Fabregas got this system? Lampard probably has more than the entire Arsenal midfield.

Season?

Two vs. Dynamo Zagreb.
One vs. Blackburn Rovers.

Rosicky has five this season and Gilberto Silva has eight goals to his name.

So that's 15. Lampard has 17.

Serious pwnage.

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

S4P wrote:

Cesc wrote:

S4P wrote:As for overrated, how many goals has Fabregas got this system? Lampard probably has more than the entire Arsenal midfield.

Season?

Two vs. Dynamo Zagreb.
One vs. Blackburn Rovers.

Rosicky has five this season and Gilberto Silva has eight goals to his name.

So that's 15. Lampard has 17.

hleb has three.
baptista has 7

Baptista is more of a forward. (At least that's where he played when he banged 4 or 5 in against Liverpool).

OK, so Arsenal midfield 18-17 Frank Lampard. Still pretty shambolic that 4 midfielders have only scored 1 more than a midfielder playing a deeper role than the previous 2 seasons.

Hmm.

Ljungberg has two (Dynamo Zabreb and Bolton)
Flamini has three (Chelsea, Liverpool and Blackburn Rovers)
Hleb has three (Porto, Reading and Blackburn Rovers)

wait a second. ARe you guys actually taking me and jamie seriously?!

Ballack wrote:

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

Ballack wrote:

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

S4P wrote:

Ballack wrote:

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

Ballack wrote:Ha! You cant doubt Lampard.
Lampard>Fabregas. Thats right. I said it.

good joke. all i see is fabregas eating lampard witch is true

which*

Lampard is faster. He hits the ball harder. He has a spanish bird. What does fabregas have? How does that Premiership medal look hanging round his neck? OH WAIT A SECOND

And scores 5x as many goals, despite playing in a deeper position.

your joking a deeper position! haha. lampard is virtually a striker. fabri plays deep than most playmakers and also takes part in football matches. lampard goes completly anonamous. most overrated player in the world, easily.

yeh hes definetly more overated than Thierry "What me, a pace merchant, NEVER" Henry. And Kolo "I wanted Campbells babys" Toure. LEts not get started on Johann "The Black Swiss" Djourou

Toure is class. Djorou is also a really good prospect. Henry has been shit recetnly but u cant call him overrated. he has been the premiership topgoalscorer almost evry season.

Terry>Toure
Carvalho>Djourou
Drogba>Henry


Thus

Chelsea>Arsenal and so

Lampard>Fabregas.



All logical.

thats opinion though. i think toure is better than terry. i think henry is better than drogba, i think rosicky is certanly better than robben and i also think fabregas is twice the player lampard will ever be.

Cesc wrote:Hmm.

Ljungberg has two (Dynamo Zabreb and Bolton)
Flamini has three (Chelsea, Liverpool and Blackburn Rovers)
Hleb has three (Porto, Reading and Blackburn Rovers)

I was talking about the main 4 who normally play: Gilberto, Hleb, Rosicky and Fabregas.

Emmanuele Elboue wrote: fabregas is twice the player lampard will ever be.

One has finished 2nd in the Ballon D'Or and FIFA WPOTY, and has won the Premiership (twice).

The other has won a free pass into the backseat of Wenger's car.

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

Ballack wrote:

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

Ballack wrote:

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

S4P wrote:

Ballack wrote:

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

Ballack wrote:Ha! You cant doubt Lampard.
Lampard>Fabregas. Thats right. I said it.

good joke. all i see is fabregas eating lampard witch is true

which*

Lampard is faster. He hits the ball harder. He has a spanish bird. What does fabregas have? How does that Premiership medal look hanging round his neck? OH WAIT A SECOND

And scores 5x as many goals, despite playing in a deeper position.

your joking a deeper position! haha. lampard is virtually a striker. fabri plays deep than most playmakers and also takes part in football matches. lampard goes completly anonamous. most overrated player in the world, easily.

yeh hes definetly more overated than Thierry "What me, a pace merchant, NEVER" Henry. And Kolo "I wanted Campbells babys" Toure. LEts not get started on Johann "The Black Swiss" Djourou

Toure is class. Djorou is also a really good prospect. Henry has been shit recetnly but u cant call him overrated. he has been the premiership topgoalscorer almost evry season.

Terry>Toure
Carvalho>Djourou
Drogba>Henry


Thus

Chelsea>Arsenal and so

Lampard>Fabregas.



All logical.

thats opinion though. i think toure is better than terry. i think henry is better than drogba, i think rosicky is certanly better than robben and i also think fabregas is twice the player lampard will ever be.

opinion counts for nothing. You have to learn the rules of this game, because inevitbaly it is not a game.

Ballack wrote:wait a second. ARe you guys actually taking me and jamie seriously?!

Nah, just using our thinking caps to see if we can remember the goals our midfielders have scored this season.

Chelsea is a good club to be a midfielder as you will always get good goalscoring chances.

We rely on the strikers more often than most. How many Premiership clubs have three strikers on 10+ goals this season.

Well according to Elboue, Lampard is a striker so we have Frank (the midfielder turned striker), Drogba and Sheva.

L r d wrote:any 5 germans
as long as they are not polish born

Delps
Le Tiss
Cantona

oh, current.

Delps

Let me just ask - is there any player, on any team in the league, that the Arsenal fans will accept is better than their own player in the same position?


Calling all Arsenal fans - any player at all? It's just that whenever someone says x>Arsenal player, it doesn't seem to matter who x is, the Arsenal fans won't accept it.

Henry
Ronaldinhio
Ballack
C Ronaldo
Villa

Simao.

... Just for the penalty against England alone.

Obispo wrote:Simao.

... Just for the penalty against England alone.

You mean Postiga right?

Saintsarama MBE wrote:Let me just ask - is there any player, on any team in the league, that the Arsenal fans will accept is better than their own player in the same position?


Calling all Arsenal fans - any player at all? It's just that whenever someone says x>Arsenal player, it doesn't seem to matter who x is, the Arsenal fans won't accept it.

Yes.

For example: Cech > Lehmann or Evra > Clichy

There are a few. We just a high opinion of our team really.

Cesc wrote:

Obispo wrote:Simao.

... Just for the penalty against England alone.

You mean Postiga right?

No. I mean Simao's at the world cup when he had to wait 2 and a half minutes standing by the spot before taking it. Didn't faze him in the slightest.

Obispo wrote:

Cesc wrote:

Obispo wrote:Simao.

... Just for the penalty against England alone.

You mean Postiga right?

No. I mean Simao's at the world cup when he had to wait 2 and a half minutes standing by the spot before taking it. Didn't faze him in the slightest.

Cesc wrote:

Saintsarama MBE wrote:Let me just ask - is there any player, on any team in the league, that the Arsenal fans will accept is better than their own player in the same position?


Calling all Arsenal fans - any player at all? It's just that whenever someone says x>Arsenal player, it doesn't seem to matter who x is, the Arsenal fans won't accept it.

Yes.

For example: Cech > Lehmann or Evra > Clichy

There are a few. We just a high opinion of our team really.

Okay, I'll rephrase. Is there any player on any team that you'd accept is better than one of your star players?

It just seems to me that Cesc stands every chance of doing an Henry - going through his Arsenal career without ever getting properly criticised for the limitations in his game. It's the whole mentality of the club - sore losers who can't take criticism, so the fans don't offer it even when it is deserved. I'm not bitching at you personally, but Arsenal would grow as a team on the pitch and as a club in terms of respect if they could accept criticism and occasionally lose and admit afterwards that they were second best. But no, every single time Arsenal lose it's always 'the referee...' or 'the opposition...'

This is bad for the players and the club, particularly as the league gets more and more competitive.

Parks lives wrote:Henry
Ronaldinhio
C. Ronaldo

I've seen all three miss.

Touigh C.Ronaldo (think he missed against Wigan) >> Henry (Toldo PWNED him at Highbury in 2003) >> Ronaldinho (He misses quite a fair few) when it comes to pens.