Giggs vs Figo

Giggs was as good as anything in Europe though in that period and proved it in the Champions league against most of the top sides, especially Juventus who were one of the top teams in that time.

Weah won the WPOTY, EFOTY & AFOTY in 1995, mostly for what he achieved at PSG not Milan. You can't say that EPL was "smaller" than Ligue 1.

I really like Giggs, great player. But Figo was better at his best, much better. Figo could carry a top team on himself, and was more than just a winger. He was a playmaker of the best kind. Its almost unfair to compare the two.

Bilal wrote:He played for Milan ,Giggs not only played for a smaller nation that never qualified for anything but also in the EPL that was considered lesser then La Liga and Serie A.

Weah shouldn't have won it anyway it should have gone to an Ajax player.

Henry couldn't win it for 2004 because no EPL player should have won it before 2004/2005 season as it was a bit of a nothing league and not very competitive.

Nedved, much as I hate the cunt, was the outstanding performer that year.

Drogba must be in with a shout this year - hope he gets it

im biased so i will say figo but giggs is way too underrated. to this day he still has a speed which has deserted figo now. i would say figo is a much smarter player and could almost play like a playmaker.

Parks lives wrote:

Bilal wrote:Giggs for me , he is Welsh so he was never even a contender for these WPOY , EPOY awards and was playing in premiership which was considered lesser then Serie A and La Liga(which was probably true).
Giggs for being so loyal 700 matches for one club is no joke , Giggs for being so great when we need him and Giggs because I am very very biased.

Good point about WPOTY.

Playing in the EPL works against him aswell because he was playing against lesser opposition.

Stefan Kuntz wrote:Weah shouldn't have won it anyway it should have gone to an Ajax player.

Henry couldn't win it for 2004 because no EPL player should have won it before 2004/2005 season as it was a bit of a nothing league and not very competitive.

Nedved, much as I hate the cunt, was the outstanding performer that year.

Drogba must be in with a shout this year - hope he gets it

come up with another reason pierre, The EPL since 99/2000 has been more or less in the same level as the serie A.

Agooner wrote:

Stefan Kuntz wrote:Weah shouldn't have won it anyway it should have gone to an Ajax player.

Henry couldn't win it for 2004 because no EPL player should have won it before 2004/2005 season as it was a bit of a nothing league and not very competitive.

Nedved, much as I hate the cunt, was the outstanding performer that year.

Drogba must be in with a shout this year - hope he gets it

come up with another reason pierre, The EPL since 99/2000 has been more or less in the same level as the serie A.

Before u come up with the champions league performances, am going to give u the names of the English and Italian teams that reached the last 4 of the CL between 99/2000-2003/2004( ie the period that the EPL was " a nothing league" ):

99/00 - 0 English team, 0 Italian team.

00/01 - 1 English team( Leeds), 0 italian team

01/02 - 1 English team( Manu) , 0 italian team

02/03 - 0 English team, 3 Italian teams( Milan, juve, Inter)

03/04 - 1 English(chelsea), 0 Italian team.


As u can see the only time there were more Italian teams than English teams in the semis was in the 2002/2003 season. Another important fact is, Italian teams only reached the semis ONCE in those 5 seasons compared to THRICE by the English teams in that same period.

Parks lives wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:

International honours?

Be a bit stupid.

It'd be like comparing Shevchenko's with Wiltord's.

Agooner wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Stefan Kuntz wrote:Weah shouldn't have won it anyway it should have gone to an Ajax player.

Henry couldn't win it for 2004 because no EPL player should have won it before 2004/2005 season as it was a bit of a nothing league and not very competitive.

Nedved, much as I hate the cunt, was the outstanding performer that year.

Drogba must be in with a shout this year - hope he gets it

come up with another reason pierre, The EPL since 99/2000 has been more or less in the same level as the serie A.

Before u come up with the champions league performances, am going to give u the names of the English and Italian teams that reached the last 4 of the CL between 99/2000-2003/2004( ie the period that the EPL was " a nothing league" ):

99/00 - 0 English team, 0 Italian team.

00/01 - 1 English team( Leeds), 0 italian team

01/02 - 1 English team( Manu) , 0 italian team

02/03 - 0 English team, 3 Italian teams( Milan, juve, Inter)

03/04 - 1 English(chelsea), 0 Italian team.


As u can see the only time there were more Italian teams than English teams in the semis was in the 2002/2003 season. Another important fact is, Italian teams only reached the semis ONCE in those 5 seasons compared to THRICE by the English teams in that same period.

I thought you had some interesting stats for me ?

We can all twist stats mate* - my opinion of Italian league being better than EPL in that period is based on watching games - number of CL SF's taken over a short period of time could be distorted by say, a team getting knocked out by a dubious decision - besides your stats only tell us about the top 2/3/4 teams in each league and says nothing for depth.

Benitez and Mourinho are the two form managers in Europe - they merely had to sign their names on the contacts for the quality of the league to jump up.


* Sheva - goal every 7.5 shots in CL this season

Henry - goal every 24 shots

See ?

Stefan Kuntz wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Stefan Kuntz wrote:Weah shouldn't have won it anyway it should have gone to an Ajax player.

Henry couldn't win it for 2004 because no EPL player should have won it before 2004/2005 season as it was a bit of a nothing league and not very competitive.

Nedved, much as I hate the cunt, was the outstanding performer that year.

Drogba must be in with a shout this year - hope he gets it

come up with another reason pierre, The EPL since 99/2000 has been more or less in the same level as the serie A.

Before u come up with the champions league performances, am going to give u the names of the English and Italian teams that reached the last 4 of the CL between 99/2000-2003/2004( ie the period that the EPL was " a nothing league" ):

99/00 - 0 English team, 0 Italian team.

00/01 - 1 English team( Leeds), 0 italian team

01/02 - 1 English team( Manu) , 0 italian team

02/03 - 0 English team, 3 Italian teams( Milan, juve, Inter)

03/04 - 1 English(chelsea), 0 Italian team.


As u can see the only time there were more Italian teams than English teams in the semis was in the 2002/2003 season. Another important fact is, Italian teams only reached the semis ONCE in those 5 seasons compared to THRICE by the English teams in that same period.

I thought you had some interesting stats for me ?

We can all twist stats mate* - my opinion of Italian league being better than EPL in that period is based on watching games - number of CL SF's taken over a short period of time could be distorted by say, a team getting knocked out by a dubious decision - besides your stats only tell us about the top 2/3/4 teams in each league and says nothing for depth.

Benitez and Mourinho are the two form managers in Europe - they merely had to sign their names on the contacts for the quality of the league to jump up.


* Sheva - goal every 7.5 shots in CL this season

Henry - goal every 24 shots

See ?

well i can extend that period from 98/99 to now, so that's nearly a decade( hardly a short period) and it's still in the English favour.

And about the depths, more english teams have reached the uefa cup finals( to my knowledge) in that same period.

So the above stats tell u the English league was not a "nothing league" pre 2004/2005 as u put it. The Italian league might have been slightly better but not by a considerable margin as u want us to believe.

I'm not really sure what the debate is about. Giggs was great, Figo was better.

If they played together, they would've been an amazing duo.

The difference between the two

Loyalty.

Rai Krol wrote:The difference between the two

Loyalty.

Figo is extremely loyal (for a Sportinguista).

Johninho wrote:

Rai Krol wrote:The difference between the two

Loyalty.

Figo is extremely loyal (for a Sportinguista).

You're absolutely right. He's no Rui Costa, that tearfull individual...

Ol' Rui loves Benfica so much, after he noticed your medical staff didn't have it's usual long list of wasted talent sitting on the side lines, he came right over and took one, then two, then three (injuries and misjudged assessments by the medical staff of course)...for the team.

Now that's loyalty.

Don't worry, I'm sure he'll be back next week...and then gone for a month or two after that of course...

bluenine wrote:Weah won the WPOTY, EFOTY & AFOTY in 1995, mostly for what he achieved at PSG not Milan. You can't say that EPL was "smaller" than Ligue 1.

I really like Giggs, great player. But Figo was better at his best, much better. Figo could carry a top team on himself, and was more than just a winger. He was a playmaker of the best kind. Its almost unfair to compare the two.

Bilal wrote:He played for Milan ,Giggs not only played for a smaller nation that never qualified for anything but also in the EPL that was considered lesser then La Liga and Serie A.

Like you said, they can't even be compared. Giggs never came close to being one of the top 5 players in the world while Figo was one of them for many years.

Figo

Stefan Kuntz wrote:Weah shouldn't have won it anyway it should have gone to an Ajax player.

Figo was more skilful, but I would rather have Giggs in my team, worked harder, defended as well as attacked, played for the team. Also Figo is a diver and moaner, and he'd have been off to your biggest rival in a second if they offered more money.

Loyalty is not the only thing he lacks, integrity seems to be another, e.g. signing contracts with 2 different clubs, promising one club he'll join them just to make another club offer more etc. Mercenary bastard.

Giggs could actually play several positions as well, not only on the wing (suupport striker, central midfielder). While the EPL was weaker in the 90s I'm pretty sure that the wingers have always had much less protection from the refs than in la liga, therefore making it harder for giggs to shine. Defenders in la liga knew that Figo was going to dive as soon as he was touched so didn't really get stuck into him.

Figo was never really a goal scorer - he was all about the assists.

Figo for me

Both great players Figo for me, he was sensational 4-5 years ago.

110% wrote:Figo was more skilful, but I would rather have Giggs in my team, worked harder, defended as well as attacked, played for the team. Also Figo is a diver and moaner, and he'd have been off to your biggest rival in a second if they offered more money.

Loyalty is not the only thing he lacks, integrity seems to be another, e.g. signing contracts with 2 different clubs, promising one club he'll join them just to make another club offer more etc. Mercenary bastard.

Giggs could actually play several positions as well, not only on the wing (suupport striker, central midfielder). While the EPL was weaker in the 90s I'm pretty sure that the wingers have always had much less protection from the refs than in la liga, therefore making it harder for giggs to shine. Defenders in la liga knew that Figo was going to dive as soon as he was touched so didn't really get stuck into him.

Strong words, but very true.

I think Figo at his peak was better, but if someone asked me to swap Figo for Giggs, I would say no. Giggs has been excellent for united for 15 years (rprobably about 13 to be fair) and counting.

Figo is definitely a mercenary, but in his defence, he didn't sign two contracts. He signed for Parma I believe, while his agent signed him to Juve.

The thing with Barça also have been avoided if the Barça board didn't think they could just mess with him. He was the captain of the team, he deserved a better deal and simply wasn't going to get it. He didn't want to leave... Barça fucked up.

But does Figo love money? No question about it.

Imagine if he ended up at Juve - the Lippi team of 95-98 wouldve been even more awesome.

Luso wrote:Figo is definitely a mercenary, but in his defence, he didn't sign two contracts. He signed for Parma I believe, while his agent signed him to Juve.

The thing with Barça also have been avoided if the Barça board didn't think they could just mess with him. He was the captain of the team, he deserved a better deal and simply wasn't going to get it. He didn't want to leave... Barça fucked up.

But does Figo love money? No question about it.

Name a player bar Redondo who doesnt..

Javier "El Capitano" Zanetti!

Target Man wrote:

Luso wrote:Figo is definitely a mercenary, but in his defence, he didn't sign two contracts. He signed for Parma I believe, while his agent signed him to Juve.

The thing with Barça also have been avoided if the Barça board didn't think they could just mess with him. He was the captain of the team, he deserved a better deal and simply wasn't going to get it. He didn't want to leave... Barça fucked up.

But does Figo love money? No question about it.

Name a player bar Redondo who doesnt..

Target Man wrote:

Luso wrote:Figo is definitely a mercenary, but in his defence, he didn't sign two contracts. He signed for Parma I believe, while his agent signed him to Juve.

The thing with Barça also have been avoided if the Barça board didn't think they could just mess with him. He was the captain of the team, he deserved a better deal and simply wasn't going to get it. He didn't want to leave... Barça fucked up.

But does Figo love money? No question about it.

Name a player bar Redondo who doesnt..

Damiano Tomassi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrM7HyptOKk

Not the most technical player at all but one of the most naturally gifted I've seen. Just looks effortless at time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOPzG4EMDOs

& What a way to score.. against Peter Sch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_DXXVxnmHo&mode=related&search=

I choose Giggs because he is my fav player of all time but I would say Figo was the better player. Figo was more consistent, a telling statistic of that is in 17 seasons this is the 1st season Giggs has won the player of the month award.

Giggs blew hot and cold too often unlike Figo.

I voted for Giggsy.Always liked him and i really think he was 1 of the first modern winger.This guy has a fantastic technic but unlike Figo,he doesn't use it.He always use his pace and does simple passes.

Both are wonderful wingers but Figo has been overhyped in 2000 when he signed for Madrid.In 2000 he won the euro player of the year award but in fact Zizou was the daddy (he won the calcio+EC with France and was awesome during the tournament.Do you remember the semi France-Portugal ? Zizou was clearly superior to Figo.)

Giggs for me <ale>