Hargreaves, As Bad As We Thought?

A year ago the curly-haired scamp was a laughing-stock, in pubs, glottal stop sporting urchins would cry out "for Ingerlun? Hargreaves? Drop me right out my son". A few months later, after running his little curly socks off amongs such esteemed names as Kenwyne Jones, and Jorge Guagua, he was the toast of these same pubs, "in he got an engine though? Cor, he can run, he's a player, I tell ya". Rumours of £20-30m bids from Utd abound.

But what is he? The indispensible, giving his all, heart of a team? Or a talentless Perm-pal, who can run a bit?

The problem is that us English are very ignorant towards other Leagues in Europe especially outside of Italy and Spain. Hargreaves was playing well for Bayern and was winning prize after prize in Barvaria. Sven seen Lampard and Gerrard week after week in the Premiership and they were his automatic starters. Hargreaves had cameos, usually in positions that were not natural to him like fullback.

The moment we put him in his natural position he emulates his Bayern form. I think he is class, but not worth £20 million. He is certainly Man Utd class though.

even a clock that stands still, tells the right time twice a day.

toon h wrote:even a clock that stands still, tells the right time twice a day.

But what can he do, except run around like a lunatic?

Waftradamus wrote:But what can he do, except run around like a lunatic?

Run, Run, Run, Run and Run some more! Alternatively you could buy a Spaniard who, walks, walks, walks, walks and walks some more! Each will do the same job, until the Smurf meets a Mountain Gorilla, and then it's walking up the mountains.

So England's Footballer of the Year has fallen from grace once again?

The genuinely funniest moment of WC 2006: Hargreaves scores the only penalty for England, a player who grew up and learned to play football in Germany.

They can shoot him down again, but nobody can take that away from him.

blutgraetsche wrote:The genuinely funniest moment of WC 2006: Hargreaves scores the only penalty for England, a player who grew up and learned to play football in Germany.

They can shoot him down again, but nobody can take that away from him.

He should have applied for a German passport and play for us instead.

True story.

No, he's a very good player.

frings >> hargreaves

Deisler wrote:frings >> hargreaves

You do amaze me with your knowledge.

He is right though. Frings is better than Hargreaves.

blutgraetsche wrote:He is right though. Frings is better than Hargreaves.

Yes he is.

Wasn't really the point of this thread though. All Deiser does is, pick random german player >> pick random english/dutch player.

Its getting pretty boring.

Cesc wrote:The problem is that us English are very ignorant towards other Leagues in Europe especially outside of Italy and Spain. Hargreaves was playing well for Bayern and was winning prize after prize in Barvaria. Sven seen Lampard and Gerrard week after week in the Premiership and they were his automatic starters. Hargreaves had cameos, usually in positions that were not natural to him like fullback.

The moment we put him in his natural position he emulates his Bayern form. I think he is class, but not worth £20 million. He is certainly Man Utd class though.

I agree ..

Hargreaves has been good for England at the WC and afterwards .. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has stated that Bayern wont be forced to sell .. i would like to see him in a Man United shirt next season.

I always thought he was good - since when he burst onto the scene PWNING Real Madrid in the 2001 CL.

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Target Man wrote:hahahahahah Pwning!!!

Ok TS, what drugs are you on this week?!!!!

We played better than Leverkusen till our second goal, OH did play well but fuck off. After Zizou's goal we allowed them to come onto us, but luckily we had Iker Casillas in goal

PWNINING

Hargreaves never played for Leverkusen

Err, Targey - I'm talking about the 2001 CL - Where Bayern Munich (who Hargreaves has ALWAYS played for) eliminated Madrid in the Semi-Finals

You are talking about the 2002 CL which you won vs. Leverkusen. Neuville, Ballack, Nowotny, Ze Roberto etc.

Who's been PWNED now?

Haha TM, sorry but i'm leaving that there

You and yes me..

Sorry, for some reason i confused Ballack and OH.. Twat.

Ps. Ill get my coat

Since 1888 wrote:
Yes he is.

Wasn't really the point of this thread though. All Deiser does is, pick random german player >> pick random english/dutch player.

Its getting pretty boring.

I think Deisler replied to chrissi's posting, when he suggested that Hargreaves should have played for Germany instead. He meant that we have Frings already, who is better than Hargreaves.

That's how I understood it at least.

If there is one thing to learn right now is that even if Frings is better than Hargreaves, it means fuck all if the team isnt.


Right now I kid you not, the England U21s could beat the senior team, despite on paper having 11 inferior players.

Difference is the under21's has decent management, system, and plays without fear.

The game against italy u21s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then anything ive seen from the senior team since 2004

You are right Pele, your U21 side looks really promising, and their coach is probably the main reason for that. Playing the best players on their right positions would actually make your senior team look much better immediately also, it really is not rocket science.

Wayne Routledge christened the new Wembley yesterday - and Bentley too

TeamSpirit wrote:Wayne Routledge christened the new Wembley yesterday - and Bentley too

For 75 minutes DB7 ran the show at Wembley, including a curling free kick and helped out with a later fabulous stike by a certain W.R (not 00zero).

The way the ball was passed around by supposed "inexperienced" youngsters should make the senior side take a look at themselves

blutgraetsche wrote:

Since 1888 wrote:
Yes he is.

Wasn't really the point of this thread though. All Deiser does is, pick random german player >> pick random english/dutch player.

Its getting pretty boring.

I think Deisler replied to chrissi's posting, when he suggested that Hargreaves should have played for Germany instead. He meant that we have Frings already, who is better than Hargreaves.

That's how I understood it at least.

Well, two good players are still better than just one though. Frings is better than Hargreaves (atm), okay, but with a German passport Hargreaves would surely belong in our national team imo. Apart from that, he is a few years younger than Frings...

chrissicross wrote:Well, two good players are still better than just one though. Frings is better than Hargreaves (atm), okay, but with a German passport Hargreaves would surely belong in our national team imo. Apart from that, he is a few years younger than Frings...

Would Frings be a better signing for Manchester United, not that Bremen would sell.

Rai Krol wrote:

chrissicross wrote:Well, two good players are still better than just one though. Frings is better than Hargreaves (atm), okay, but with a German passport Hargreaves would surely belong in our national team imo. Apart from that, he is a few years younger than Frings...

Would Frings be a better signing for Manchester United, not that Bremen would sell.

Yes, I think he would. Bremen don´t want to sell him though, but Frings said recently, he would like to play abroad and that he had offers from other clubs, which he had to think about, because it would probably be his last chance to move abroad considering his age. Latest rumours are Juve, Real and also English clubs. Not sure whether that´s true or whether he just wants more money (which wouldn´t surprise me in Frings case). However Werder Bremen try to extend his contract atm, even though he still has two years left...