Fernando Torres v Klaas Jan Huntelaar

At the moment you could do worse than have Huntelaar for a striker....



Most in form striker of Europe ?

His stats at Heerenveen awesome
his stats at Ajax awesome

Not to mention that his stats in Madrid were also good but he was not sexy enough

His stats right now are out of this world....

He'd get no service, so there would be no point.

Axeslammer wrote:At the moment you could do worse than have Huntelaar for a striker....



Most in form striker of Europe ?

Ricardo Wetzel wrote:His stats at Heerenveen awesome
his stats at Ajax awesome

Not to mention that his stats in Madrid were also good but he was not sexy enough

His stats right now are out of this world....

Dutchies are still trying to sell Huntelaar as a star.

Axeslammer wrote:I can't believe how underrated Huntelaar is at the moment....

He's nothing but a poacher, that's true : but he is one of the *ultimate* poachers and scores anywhere and everywhere.

He should go to Italy IMO : within two years they'll be building statues in honor of him

Axe, just admit you were wrong... There are some players who are awesome, but just cannot cut it for top teams... I fear The Hunter is one of them...

He doesn't cut it for *top* teams....?

He scores goals on a conveyer belt for the second best team in the world.....

bluenine wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

He's nothing but a poacher, that's true : but he is one of the *ultimate* poachers and scores anywhere and everywhere.

He should go to Italy IMO : within two years they'll be building statues in honor of him

Axe, just admit you were wrong... There are some players who are awesome, but just cannot cut it for top teams... I fear The Hunter is one of them...

I still think he's one of the most lethal strikers around, but only when used right.

....and I still wouldn't want him anywhere near a team that I like, because to use him right you have to sacrifice a "footballing" spot in your team

Ricardo Wetzel wrote:He doesn't cut it for *top* teams....?

He scores goals on a conveyer belt for the second best team in the world.....

vs Moldova, San Marino and Finland

Seriously impressive .

I'll give him the Sweden match though considering their form before Holland played them and how they were impressing as well.

Dead Man Smiling wrote:

Ricardo Wetzel wrote:He doesn't cut it for *top* teams....?

He scores goals on a conveyer belt for the second best team in the world.....

vs Moldova, San Marino and Finland

Seriously impressive .

I'll give him the Sweden match though considering their form before Holland played them and how they were impressing as well.

He scored already as many goals as Van Basten in less games 24 in 40 games is a very good record only villa has better stats...

O and the rabbitface scored against better opposition as well, he scored In the champions league in bundesliga, serie A and la liga, eredivisie. Everywhere he played he scored quite easily if used as a striker...

fact.

So what's your point....?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Turns out they're both $h!t.

If Huntelaar was German and his name was Mario Gomez, would we be hyping the shit out of him?

Oh, if he's scored as many goals as Van Basten in less games he must be awesome

Personally speaking international records means very little to me and on here it's usually used as a last defence for defending a player and his ability for certain people. Fair enough if a player produces at a tournament level but qualifying!? Get out of here. I'm not Klose's biggest fan by any stretch but the man is a tank when it comes to the highest level of international football. There is no denying that.

Look at what David Healy was capable of at international level(complete and utter joke what he achieved last qualifying campaign) and to a far lesser extent Robbie Keane as well for us. Both produced it while playing for mediocre sides, NI especially tbf, are shit. Ireland pre- 2003 were more than decent.

He's a very good poacher don't get me wrong but with the chances Holland will and do create I fully expect him to take some of them. I just can't take international qualifying all to seriously.

Seeing Hunterlaar's name up there with the likes of Van Basten isn't a pleasant sight. No matter how you want to dress it up, you no doubt will. But hey, you continue and defend your precious Dutchie all you want. All sugar and nice.

Not telling ya he is awesome... And as good as Van Basten etc.

He is a very useful striker and scores everywhere and on anytime against weak opposition as well as against strong opposition!!!!

WG

Huntelaar is shite, if he doesnt score the goals he is useless. Had like 10 balltouches against Sweden, yet two goals. But I guess that is still more usefull then Torres atm. Who looks so poor against decent opposition.

Huntelaar was never shit at any point not even at Milan, he scores alot and always did and always will, but a modern striker needs to do more than just score, he must create space, assist, pressure...etc I think he went to the big clubs too early in his career, when you say Milan and Madrid we are talking about the 2 biggest clubs of all time, he needed to create the basis at a competitive club in a competitive league like Schalke or even Spurs would have been good. I think Huntelaar is suited to many leagues but he is best in English because there is space there and he is not the quickest on the turn yet he will get many chances which we know he will put away.

At the moment Torres is better by miles, eventhough he needs to leave England and revive his career.

Ricardo Wetzel wrote:He doesn't cut it for *top* teams....?

He scores goals on a conveyer belt for the second best team in the world.....

We all know Holland are just a one man team... more accurately, a one midget team

Jokes apart, scoring 24 goals in 40 games for your NT is very good. I conceed you that. He can be a decent poacher. But he did not cut it at either Real or Milan, for a top poacher a return of 1 goal in every 3 league games is not up to scratch.

The difference between playing for a top club and a top nation is that if you don't perfom upto expectation, a top club will buy another top player to replace you. With your nation, you may get more chances as their source pool is limited... So perhaps someone who had to move from a Real/Milan to a Schalke (no offence) cannot be compared to Van Basten, or even his left toe nail?

Cheb Hamouda wrote:Huntelaar was never shit at any point not even at Milan, he scores alot and always did and always will, but a modern striker needs to do more than just score, he must create space, assist, pressure...etc I think he went to the big clubs too early in his career, when you say Milan and Madrid we are talking about the 2 biggest clubs of all time, he needed to create the basis at a competitive club in a competitive league like Schalke or even Spurs would have been good. I think Huntelaar is suited to many leagues but he is best in English because there is space there and he is not the quickest on the turn yet he will get many chances which we know he will put away.

At the moment Torres is better by miles, eventhough he needs to leave England and revive his career.

Huntelaar is 27!! I know it may be too young by Milan's usual specs (), and I understand that the maturity patterns of players can differ, but surely 26-27 years cannot be considered too early?

Tho your point re suitability to different leagues is a very valid one... he is perhaps more suited for EPL than Serie A.

oh i forgot about that,

Anyway go to the Group B forum in European cups, the one for Milan

I am anxious to read what you have to say about my last point

What makes people think that Huntelaar would be better in England?

The faster pace here a all-round frontman is even more vital.... look at the lead strikers for all the top teams, none of them are pure poachers, and all offer something when they don't score.

If he couldn't do it in Spain or Italy, there's no way he could do it in England.

Cheb Hamouda wrote:

At the moment Torres is better by miles, eventhough he needs to leave England and revive his career.

Isn't England where he became one of the best strikers in the world?

Luis wrote:

Cheb Hamouda wrote:

At the moment Torres is better by miles, eventhough he needs to leave England and revive his career.

Isn't England where he became one of the best strikers in the world?

I suppose his groin and hamstring will magically heal once he crosses the British channel.

Deluded F*ck wrote:What makes people think that Huntelaar would be better in England?

The faster pace here a all-round frontman is even more vital.... look at the lead strikers for all the top teams, none of them are pure poachers, and all offer something when they don't score.

If he couldn't do it in Spain or Italy, there's no way he could do it in England.

Exactly what I was thinking. He is a poacher and that is it and he will probably never get a move to a top club again unless it is through incompetent management like we had at Real Madrid. As soon we signed him I told a friend he would be sold right the following summer or soon after. And he is certainly not lethal against any good defence because the chances he needs doesn't get created at the top level.

Deluded F*ck wrote:What makes people think that Huntelaar would be better in England?

For one, it would be hard to do much worse, wouldn't it?

The only reason why I agreed that he may be more suite to England than Italy, is coz in England there is more emphasis on quality crosses. Huntelaar could feed on that. Or maybe not, which brings us back to my original point - perhaps he is not cut out for top teams.

Deluded F*ck wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Turns out they're both $h!t.

If Huntelaar was German and his name was Mario Gomez, would we be hyping the shit out of him?

If he was French and called Benzema, you would

I can't believe we're discussing which league is best for Huntelaar.

Its the Bundesliga, and we all know why

Luis wrote:

Cheb Hamouda wrote:

At the moment Torres is better by miles, eventhough he needs to leave England and revive his career.

Isn't England where he became one of the best strikers in the world?

I like to believe that in order to be truely considered the best striker in Europe you need to prove it in the Italian league where defenders actually do everything in their power to see you fail.

Cheb Hamouda wrote:

Luis wrote:

Cheb Hamouda wrote:

At the moment Torres is better by miles, eventhough he needs to leave England and revive his career.

Isn't England where he became one of the best strikers in the world?

I like to believe that in order to be truely considered the best striker in Europe you need to prove it in the Italian league where defenders actually do everything in their power to see you fail.

This is nonsense. In order to be considered the best striker in Europe you need to be scoring frequently, being utterly brilliant both in a good league (England, Spain, Italy and at a push Germany) and in European competition.

ok the key point is european competition here, im sorry but I cant help it that I cannot take english defenders seriously, that is not saying that Torres was average in his career in england.

Cheb Hamouda wrote:ok the key point is european competition here, im sorry but I cant help it that I cannot take english defenders seriously, that is not saying that Torres was average in his career in england.

Italian defences better than English ?

Are you living in a timewarp or a world of stereotypes ?

Italian defences will always be better than any defence the english could ever dream of, in a timewarp, in stereotype, today, tomorrow, in a billion years and after reincarnation.

watch any football blooper video you will see that three quarters of every single one contains samples of stupidity from english football.

this is what I visualise when I think of english defending:

Cheb Hamouda wrote:Italian defences will always be better than any defence the english could ever dream of, in a timewarp, in stereotype, today, tomorrow, in a billion years and after reincarnation.

15-20 years ago, hell yeah... not anymore, unfortunately... Now, the top English defences are better than their Italian counterparts, perhaps apart from Inter... somehow, there aren't that many quality CBs in Serie A anymore. Its fast becoming a lost art. Some memories of the earlier era remain... the minnows in Serie A, for example, still know how to defend in numbers, but that is more of a result of organisation/tactics, than quality of personel. Its not the same in EPL, the minnows are not as capable defensively. Thats the relative strength of Serie A... a strength in depth.