Lazio on fire !

Lazio have been amazing this season and Lazio's 4-2 win over Udinese tonight was their 7th consecutive win and cuts the gap on Roma to 7pts. They are the form team in Serie A but can they catch Roma?

Also with the added money from the Champs league (hopefully) can they start to build a squad after years of having to sell their best players.

I hope so. I saw them in a friendly against Ipswich back in the summer and you could see their potential there. Particularly impressed with Rocchi that night. It would be great if they could get up with Europe's elite again.

This must be hell for Obispo, Liverpool won 4-1 with Agger scoring and Lazio are doing so well

Sgoater1 wrote:Lazio have been amazing this season and Lazio's 4-2 win over Udinese tonight was their 7th consecutive win and cuts the gap on Roma to 7pts. They are the form team in Serie A but can they catch Roma?

Also with the added money from the Champs league (hopefully) can they start to build a squad after years of having to sell their best players.

How many points were they deducted again? would they be ahead of Roma if they hadn't had the points deductions?

Lazio were docked 7 points.

so they would be level with Roma and in my honest opinion they'll probably finish ahead of Roma in terms of total points anyhow

I would say that was fair.

Looking at both squads you would take Roma's ahead of Lazio's at the moment still IMO.

Maybe... personally I think some of the Roma players are overhyped - the way some postes on here wax lyrical about them you'd think they had 5 out and out world class players in their team

True.

But I would certainly still take a few for Arsenal. Chivu, Mancini, Totti etc...

Cesc wrote:True.

But I would certainly still take a few for Arsenal. Chivu, Mancini, Totti etc...

Totti maybe with our injury problems but IMO he wouldn't be of particular value to us, especially with his ego.

Chivu I hoenstly think might well struggle in the EPL to adapt and I certainly wouldn't take him over Touré and Gallas

No, Lazio were just docked 3 points

Cesc wrote:Lazio were docked 7 points.

Roma >>>>>> Arsenal this season, by a distance. There is no comparison. Few Arsenal players could even hope to make Roma starting XI.

Toure over Chivu is one of the funniest things I have heard since the Lampard>Kaka theory.

True story

Tweedle wrote:

Cesc wrote:True.

But I would certainly still take a few for Arsenal. Chivu, Mancini, Totti etc...

Totti maybe with our injury problems but IMO he wouldn't be of particular value to us, especially with his ego.

Chivu I hoenstly think might well struggle in the EPL to adapt and I certainly wouldn't take him over Touré and Gallas

bluenine wrote:Roma >>>>>> Arsenal this season, by a distance. There is no comparison. Few Arsenal players could even hope to make Roma starting XI.

Toure over Chivu is one of the funniest things I have heard since the Lampard>Kaka theory.

True story

Tweedle wrote:

Cesc wrote:True.

But I would certainly still take a few for Arsenal. Chivu, Mancini, Totti etc...

Totti maybe with our injury problems but IMO he wouldn't be of particular value to us, especially with his ego.

Chivu I hoenstly think might well struggle in the EPL to adapt and I certainly wouldn't take him over Touré and Gallas

i wouldnt say its soo funny.i mean toure i think is great and so is chivu and he has the plus that he is good on the ball. hard to say who is better but i dont think there is a big difference.
anyway my best combined team of roma/arsenal:

----------------lehman-----------

ebue----toure-----chivu-----tonetto

------------de rossi---cesc/pizzaro--------

mancini-------totti----------rvp

--------------henry--------------
but as a team roma>arsenal. they work much better together offensively.

Toure was one of the biggest reason why Arsenal got to where they did in the CL. I rate the lad. There isnt much of a difference between him and Chivu IMHO.

Tweedle wrote:Maybe... personally I think some of the Roma players are overhyped - the way some postes on here wax lyrical about them you'd think they had 5 out and out world class players in their team

Well they have 3 World Champions, and some would put Mancini and Chivu in the world class bracket.

Chivu mayebe, can't see Mancini as world class though to be fair - he's hardly got an international record for a start. The fact he doesn't have an obvious position in a team causes a few problems when comapring him awith others though the versatility is one of his major pluses I suppose - I'd say he is top class but certaily not world class

World Class is such a misused term which does not have a fixed criteria, its difficult to say whether a player is world class or not.

IMO Mancini is one of the most exciting wingers in business today, and that is good enough.

Tweedy, I think you under rate Roma... they may be temperamental as a side, but when on song they are lethal.

Tweedle wrote:Chivu mayebe, can't see Mancini as world class though to be fair - he's hardly got an international record for a start. The fact he doesn't have an obvious position in a team causes a few problems when comapring him awith others though the versatility is one of his major pluses I suppose - I'd say he is top class but certaily not world class

They're hardly underrated - people have been singing their praises from the belltower this season and I can't fathom why - they're absolutely miles behind Inter - its like someone singing the praises of Liverpool and Arsenal this season, neither of which have been amazing but they've had their moments and can be 'lethal' when on form - see Liverpool on Saturday, or Arsenal agianst pool earlier in the seaon when they won 6-3.

I haven't seen Roma demolish a top side in Serie A in the same way

Mancini is a great winger but he certainly isn't the best in his position in the world, nor would he make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players IMO, if he did it would be purely based on his versatility rather than his ability in one position

No, you are right. I don't think Mancini would make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players. Neither would players like Gerrard or Cesc or Toure. If thats how you define "world class", then very few teams will have more than 2 players who are, if any.

Tweedle wrote:They're hardly underrated - people have been singing their praises from the belltower this season and I can't fathom why - they're absolutely miles behind Inter - its like someone singing the praises of Liverpool and Arsenal this season, neither of which have been amazing but they've had their moments and can be 'lethal' when on form - see Liverpool on Saturday, or Arsenal agianst pool earlier in the seaon when they won 6-3.

I haven't seen Roma demolish a top side in Serie A in the same way

Mancini is a great winger but he certainly isn't the best in his position in the world, nor would he make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players IMO, if he did it would be purely based on his versatility rather than his ability in one position

Tweedle wrote:They're hardly underrated - people have been singing their praises from the belltower this season and I can't fathom why - they're absolutely miles behind Inter - its like someone singing the praises of Liverpool and Arsenal this season, neither of which have been amazing but they've had their moments and can be 'lethal' when on form - see Liverpool on Saturday, or Arsenal agianst pool earlier in the seaon when they won 6-3.

I haven't seen Roma demolish a top side in Serie A in the same way

Mancini is a great winger but he certainly isn't the best in his position in the world, nor would he make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players IMO, if he did it would be purely based on his versatility rather than his ability in one position

Tweelde how many times, the 6-3 game is irrelevant, it was a reserve game

bluenine wrote:No, you are right. I don't think Mancini would make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players. Neither would players like Gerrard or Cesc or Toure. If thats how you define "world class", then very few teams will have more than 2 players who are, if any.

Tweedle wrote:They're hardly underrated - people have been singing their praises from the belltower this season and I can't fathom why - they're absolutely miles behind Inter - its like someone singing the praises of Liverpool and Arsenal this season, neither of which have been amazing but they've had their moments and can be 'lethal' when on form - see Liverpool on Saturday, or Arsenal agianst pool earlier in the seaon when they won 6-3.

I haven't seen Roma demolish a top side in Serie A in the same way

Mancini is a great winger but he certainly isn't the best in his position in the world, nor would he make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players IMO, if he did it would be purely based on his versatility rather than his ability in one position

Gerrard would, the other two wouldn't and neither of them I would class as world class and i never have either

Luis wrote:

Tweedle wrote:They're hardly underrated - people have been singing their praises from the belltower this season and I can't fathom why - they're absolutely miles behind Inter - its like someone singing the praises of Liverpool and Arsenal this season, neither of which have been amazing but they've had their moments and can be 'lethal' when on form - see Liverpool on Saturday, or Arsenal agianst pool earlier in the seaon when they won 6-3.

I haven't seen Roma demolish a top side in Serie A in the same way

Mancini is a great winger but he certainly isn't the best in his position in the world, nor would he make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players IMO, if he did it would be purely based on his versatility rather than his ability in one position

Tweelde how many times, the 6-3 game is irrelevant, it was a reserve game

3-0 then

Better

Gerrard, in a world 23??? Very doubtful, there are too many great attacking midfielders... Gerrard is very good, but he can't make it over the likes of Kaka and Dinho.

Tweedle wrote:

bluenine wrote:No, you are right. I don't think Mancini would make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players. Neither would players like Gerrard or Cesc or Toure. If thats how you define "world class", then very few teams will have more than 2 players who are, if any.

Tweedle wrote:They're hardly underrated - people have been singing their praises from the belltower this season and I can't fathom why - they're absolutely miles behind Inter - its like someone singing the praises of Liverpool and Arsenal this season, neither of which have been amazing but they've had their moments and can be 'lethal' when on form - see Liverpool on Saturday, or Arsenal agianst pool earlier in the seaon when they won 6-3.

I haven't seen Roma demolish a top side in Serie A in the same way

Mancini is a great winger but he certainly isn't the best in his position in the world, nor would he make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players IMO, if he did it would be purely based on his versatility rather than his ability in one position

Gerrard would, the other two wouldn't and neither of them I would class as world class and i never have either

bluenine wrote:Gerrard, in a world 23??? Very doubtful, there are too many great attacking midfielders... Gerrard is very good, but he can't make it over the likes of Kaka and Dinho.

Tweedle wrote:

bluenine wrote:No, you are right. I don't think Mancini would make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players. Neither would players like Gerrard or Cesc or Toure. If thats how you define "world class", then very few teams will have more than 2 players who are, if any.

Tweedle wrote:They're hardly underrated - people have been singing their praises from the belltower this season and I can't fathom why - they're absolutely miles behind Inter - its like someone singing the praises of Liverpool and Arsenal this season, neither of which have been amazing but they've had their moments and can be 'lethal' when on form - see Liverpool on Saturday, or Arsenal agianst pool earlier in the seaon when they won 6-3.

I haven't seen Roma demolish a top side in Serie A in the same way

Mancini is a great winger but he certainly isn't the best in his position in the world, nor would he make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players IMO, if he did it would be purely based on his versatility rather than his ability in one position

Gerrard would, the other two wouldn't and neither of them I would class as world class and i never have either

Depends what you want, I personally wouldn't swap Gerrard for Ronaldinho, even if he had had an off season

bluenine wrote:Gerrard, in a world 23??? Very doubtful, there are too many great attacking midfielders... Gerrard is very good, but he can't make it over the likes of Kaka and Dinho.

Tweedle wrote:

bluenine wrote:No, you are right. I don't think Mancini would make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players. Neither would players like Gerrard or Cesc or Toure. If thats how you define "world class", then very few teams will have more than 2 players who are, if any.

Tweedle wrote:They're hardly underrated - people have been singing their praises from the belltower this season and I can't fathom why - they're absolutely miles behind Inter - its like someone singing the praises of Liverpool and Arsenal this season, neither of which have been amazing but they've had their moments and can be 'lethal' when on form - see Liverpool on Saturday, or Arsenal agianst pool earlier in the seaon when they won 6-3.

I haven't seen Roma demolish a top side in Serie A in the same way

Mancini is a great winger but he certainly isn't the best in his position in the world, nor would he make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players IMO, if he did it would be purely based on his versatility rather than his ability in one position

Gerrard would, the other two wouldn't and neither of them I would class as world class and i never have either

Are you serious? he regularly makes top ten WPOTY lists + he can play central midfield, right wing and behind the striker - IMO he is without doubt world class

Gerrard would get in there, only because he's so versatile.

He can play in central midfield (though there are better players for that position), right hand side of midfield (though there are better players for that position) and behind a striker (though there are better players for that position).

Parks lives wrote:Gerrard would get in there, only because he's so versatile.

He can play in central midfield (though there are better players for that position), right hand side of midfield (though there are better players for that position) and behind a striker (though there are better players for that position).

Disagree, right side and behind the striker almost certainly.

But when Gerrard's on top form in the centre where he's happy, there is not many if any better

It's not often enough though Luis.

Thats the mark of a great player, someone who does it almost every game.

Parks lives wrote:It's not often enough though Luis.

Thats the mark of a great player, someone who does it almost every game.

This season no, last season i'm pretty sure his consistancy showed