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    Post by bluenine Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:35 pm

    No disrespect, I obviously rate him - I was just showing how this defination of "world class = someone who make a world squad of 23" is probbaly misleading.

    In my book, Gerrard is world class, even tho he might not make my world squad of 23 (I prefer Kaka, Dinho and Totti in the attacking midfielder role).

    Luis wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Gerrard would get in there, only because he's so versatile.

    He can play in central midfield (though there are better players for that position), right hand side of midfield (though there are better players for that position) and behind a striker (though there are better players for that position).

    Disagree, right side and behind the striker almost certainly.

    But when Gerrard's on top form in the centre where he's happy, there is not many if any better
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:37 pm

    bluenine wrote:No disrespect, I obviously rate him - I was just showing how this defination of "world class = someone who make a world squad of 23" is probbaly misleading.

    In my book, Gerrard is world class, even tho he might not make my world squad of 23 (I prefer Kaka, Dinho and Totti in the attacking midfielder role).

    Luis wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Gerrard would get in there, only because he's so versatile.

    He can play in central midfield (though there are better players for that position), right hand side of midfield (though there are better players for that position) and behind a striker (though there are better players for that position).

    Disagree, right side and behind the striker almost certainly.

    But when Gerrard's on top form in the centre where he's happy, there is not many if any better

    I swear he would make the squad - he and rio are probably the only two England players with a chance but I'm sure he'd make it.

    for a start, dinho plays on the left wing, totti plays a far more advanced role and Kaka and Gerrard both offer something different
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    Post by bluenine Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:38 pm

    Exactly. The WPOTY lists are usually full of attacking midfielders and strikers, but if you have to pick a world squad of 23, you cannot pick more than 2 central attacking midfielders - you will need wingers and defensive midfielders.

    But Gerrard is world class, I am not doubting that. I am just not going by your defination.

    Tweedle wrote:
    bluenine wrote:Gerrard, in a world 23??? Very doubtful, there are too many great attacking midfielders... Gerrard is very good, but he can't make it over the likes of Kaka and Dinho.

    Tweedle wrote:
    bluenine wrote:No, you are right. I don't think Mancini would make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players. Neither would players like Gerrard or Cesc or Toure. If thats how you define "world class", then very few teams will have more than 2 players who are, if any.

    Tweedle wrote:They're hardly underrated - people have been singing their praises from the belltower this season and I can't fathom why - they're absolutely miles behind Inter - its like someone singing the praises of Liverpool and Arsenal this season, neither of which have been amazing but they've had their moments and can be 'lethal' when on form - see Liverpool on Saturday, or Arsenal agianst pool earlier in the seaon when they won 6-3.

    I haven't seen Roma demolish a top side in Serie A in the same way

    Mancini is a great winger but he certainly isn't the best in his position in the world, nor would he make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players IMO, if he did it would be purely based on his versatility rather than his ability in one position

    Gerrard would, the other two wouldn't and neither of them I would class as world class and i never have either

    Are you serious? he regularly makes top ten WPOTY lists + he can play central midfield, right wing and behind the striker - IMO he is without doubt world class
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:39 pm

    Good idea for a thread, Tweeds.

    Who would make your 23 man World squad.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:40 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Good idea for a thread, Tweeds.

    Who would make your 23 man World squad.

    ok

    where do you think it should be though?
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:41 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Good idea for a thread, Tweeds.

    Who would make your 23 man World squad.

    ok

    where do you think it should be though?

    International.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:44 pm

    on the job....
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    Post by bluenine Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:45 pm

    beat ya to it Wink

    you gunners are too slow Laugh

    Tweedle wrote:on the job....
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:46 pm

    Hehehe.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:52 pm

    bluenine wrote:beat ya to it Wink

    you gunners are too slow Laugh

    Tweedle wrote:on the job....

    Yeh but

    a) I actually included my squad; and
    b) I haven't been a dictator about how many how many players in each section you need
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:00 pm

    May as well delete your thread Tweeds and copy and paste your squad into Bluenine's.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:19 pm

    Tweedle wrote:They're hardly underrated - people have been singing their praises from the belltower this season and I can't fathom why - they're absolutely miles behind Inter - its like someone singing the praises of Liverpool and Arsenal this season, neither of which have been amazing but they've had their moments and can be 'lethal' when on form - see Liverpool on Saturday, or Arsenal agianst pool earlier in the seaon when they won 6-3.

    I haven't seen Roma demolish a top side in Serie A in the same way

    Mancini is a great winger but he certainly isn't the best in his position in the world, nor would he make a squad of 23 of the worlds best players IMO, if he did it would be purely based on his versatility rather than his ability in one position

    To be honest mate they did hammer Palermo 4-0 and Fiorentiana 3-1 so they have demolished a few decent teams this season.
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    Post by bluenine Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:26 pm

    aw, poor tweedy Wink

    Tweedle wrote:
    bluenine wrote:beat ya to it Wink

    you gunners are too slow Laugh

    Tweedle wrote:on the job....

    Yeh but

    a) I actually included my squad; and
    b) I haven't been a dictator about how many how many players in each section you need

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