how overrated is Kaka ?

I know the boy has many fans, but whenever I seem him against decent opposition he is not that brilliant at all

tonight he was downright disappointing

is the Brazilian quite possibly a fairweather player ?

he's young, so give him time

all I'm saying is, " first on my teamsheet " he would most certainly not be

hell, he would not make my top 10 in the world either

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:

hell, he would not make my top 10 in the world either

Who would? Give us your top 10 otto.

Could Otto be more controversial?

Kimbo wrote:

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:

hell, he would not make my top 10 in the world either

Who would? Give us your top 10 otto.

Be prepared for 7-8 Germans and a couple of Peruvians, all ironically playing in the Bundesliga.

I agree with Kimbo, Otto. Tell us your top 10 then!

-Klose
-Podolski
-Schweini
-Lahm
-Kuyranyi
....

-Lehmann

...

BIGGEST MYTH BUSTED!!!! WELL DONE OTTO!!!!

Germans do have a sense of humour

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:I know the boy has many fans, but whenever I seem him against decent opposition he is not that brilliant at all

tonight he was downright disappointing

is the Brazilian quite possibly a fairweather player ?

he's young, so give him time

all I'm saying is, " first on my teamsheet " he would most certainly not be

hell, he would not make my top 10 in the world either

what about this for top 10

Wiese
Drogba
Essien
Deco
Alves
Frings
Ballack
Mertesacker
C.Ronaldo
Healey

???

He was certainly outshone by Poddy Plod tonight.

He's not as overrated as Otto is implying, but no way is he the best player in the world. Seems to me that it's mostly the English contingent on this board who think that. Even the Brazilian fans have disagreed.

kas wrote:He's not as overrated as Otto is implying, but no way is he the best player in the world. Seems to me that it's mostly the English contingent on this board who think that. Even the Brazilian fans have disagreed.

And who is the best player in the world? Kaka' didn't play his best game last night, yes, but every player has a bad day. The fact that he's a midfielder and the top scorer in the CL should tell you something.

kas wrote:He's not as overrated as Otto is implying, but no way is he the best player in the world. Seems to me that it's mostly the English contingent on this board who think that. Even the Brazilian fans have disagreed.

Yeah considering that if Dinho had only managed a few misguided passes and a dive for a non-existing penalty then everybody would have been bitching about how crap he was.. but Kaká.. no...

And in my view it is basically down to the playing styles. Kaká isn't Brazilean in his style.. he is very direct and does not usually try fancy dribbles or elaborate finishes.. so he seems less wasteful and more professional than Dinho.. And when he has an off day he is less infuriating to watch.

But at the end of the day, Dinho has achieved a LOT more at Barcelona than Kaká at Milan and Dinho, even in his worst season for us, still leads the scoring charts and still manage to provide the spark for many moves..

@Oleguer

No more, no less than waht u said.

what a load of nonsense.

Everyone is overrated, all players live off their reputations and none of them are really any good, it's all hype.

If you wouldn't take Kaka for your team then you're an idiot. Is he as good as Ronaldinho? Maybe not when you look at their careers but Kaka is a few years younger and is still peaking while Dinho appears to be going off the boil.

This build 'em up, knock 'em down culture upsets me. Players go from being "underrated" to being "overrated" in a matter of moments.

@ hysen


are there any good footballers left in the world today now that kaka has been added to the list of poor players which currently includes

gerrard
ballack
ronaldinho
ibrahimovich
adriano
henry
cesc
terry
rio
puyol
xavi
robinho
klose
podolski
a.cole

etc etc etc

rooney is not even good enough to make the poor list

COTR, I genuinely believe that most of the posters on this board are better footballers than the one's you've listed, who are only at big clubs for their commercial appeal.

Otto

Kaka didn't have the best of games but he is a big game player, whereas you imply that he isn't in your first post.

He is presently the top scorer in the champions league - not bad for a midfielder.

At the World Cup he was probably Brazil's most consistent performer

Tweeds, if you love Kaka so much why don't you marry him?

Glenn Hysén wrote:Tweeds, if you love Kaka so much why don't you marry him?

I'm not the marrying type

I have been saying for a long time: great talent, often goes missing. Doesn't have the influence in the game that he should. Doesn't deserve the praise that he gets.

Not as good as dinho.

Nearly all his good games have been in the CL, has something like 8 goals, and in Serie A he has something like 5 in far more games and has generally been average (sometimes poor) with some moments of magic thrown in. Maybe most of the posters have seen his CL matches and equated that to his whole season, whereas in reality they were his best 6 matches of the season.

110% wrote:
Not as good as dinho.

Surely the fact that he's comparable to Ronaldinho is proof enough of his class.

He didn't dive.

Tweedle wrote:Otto

Kaka didn't have the best of games but he is a big game player, whereas you imply that he isn't in your first post.

He is presently the top scorer in the champions league - not bad for a midfielder.

At the World Cup he was probably Brazil's most consistent performer

No he wasn't, Ze Roberto was the most consistent and best performer for brasil in the world cup. Apart from 1 goal kaka was virtually non-existent like dinho.

He is presently top scorer for Milan in the CL who have no-one else to score goals for them ususally. In fact he is playing as a support striker not midfielder.

Otto how overrated is Podolski, should be the title of the thread. I didnt know h was playing until he got subbed off, the amount of hype you have spouted on these boards I was expecting a great player, like you know the next Rooney

Instead I saw a player who couldnt even control or pass the ball, I heard when he got subbed they sent him to the nearest hospital, to have an X-ray to check if he was actually a footballer.

110% wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Otto

Kaka didn't have the best of games but he is a big game player, whereas you imply that he isn't in your first post.

He is presently the top scorer in the champions league - not bad for a midfielder.

At the World Cup he was probably Brazil's most consistent performer

No he wasn't, Ze Roberto was the most consistent and best performer for brasil in the world cup. Apart from 1 goal kaka was virtually non-existent like dinho.

He is presently top scorer for Milan in the CL who have no-one else to score goals for them ususally. In fact he is playing as a support striker not midfielder.

Still not bad, even for a support striker, he may well not be the clear best player in the world but IMO he's definatley top 5.

He's not an impact player like Dinho - he doesn't rely on tricks or incredible acceleration, he just relies on the sheer class that he has

Glenn Hysén wrote:

110% wrote:
Not as good as dinho.

Surely the fact that he's comparable to Ronaldinho is proof enough of his class.

of course he is a class player, I have not said that he isn't

That comment was just because there is so much rubbish on this board about him being better than dinho, that I had to say clearly he isn't

He would barely get in my top 3, he's behind dinho and henry for sure, then he's competing against the likes of eto'o, cronaldo, gerrard etc. The problem is that most of the best players have had poor seasons due to injuries, tiredness etc

Tweedle wrote:

110% wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Otto

Kaka didn't have the best of games but he is a big game player, whereas you imply that he isn't in your first post.

He is presently the top scorer in the champions league - not bad for a midfielder.

At the World Cup he was probably Brazil's most consistent performer

No he wasn't, Ze Roberto was the most consistent and best performer for brasil in the world cup. Apart from 1 goal kaka was virtually non-existent like dinho.

He is presently top scorer for Milan in the CL who have no-one else to score goals for them ususally. In fact he is playing as a support striker not midfielder.

Still not bad, even for a support striker, he may well not be the clear best player in the world but IMO he's definatley top 5.

He's not an impact player like Dinho - he doesn't rely on tricks or incredible acceleration, he just relies on the sheer class that he has

not tricks but incredible acceleration for sure, e.g. celtic goal

I think you should marry him , with the he just relies on the sheer class that he has

He's got amazing first touch on both feet, vision and ability to make through passes, and great acceleration and good shot. He is not a real midfielder, but a support striker like totti. In fact Totti is another that has been better than him this season.

Totti has been playing for a team in form though - AC seem to have been all over the place in the league this season.

In the Champs league Kaka>>>>Totti + Kaka doesn't act like a twat 24/7.

Tweedle wrote:Totti has been playing for a team in form though - AC seem to have been all over the place in the league this season.

In the Champs league Kaka>>>>Totti + Kaka doesn't act like a twat 24/7.

So it all about the CL 7 or 8 games is it?

So totti can better than kaka for the 38 games in the league, but it doesn't matter?

Kaka is not even the best player at Milan this season. That is seedorf (never going to be acknowledged though).

Totti can be an arse sometimes, but that didn't stop maradonna being one of the best players ever.

Kaka and totti are on about the same level, a couple of levels below dinho.

110% is right. Kaka is rubbish.