how overrated is Kaka ?

Tweedle wrote:

Rai Krol wrote:Ballack should have signed for Manchester United

imagine him and Paul Scholes dictating the game in midfield

and Ronaldo and Giggs as the other midfielders ..

For all you know it might not have worked and you might well not be in the position you're in now.

I'd be far more fussed about not having got robben if I was you

Robben and Essien was heartbreaking, although Robben spends a third of the time diving and another third injured, so Essien would be the one I am most gutted about.

not really. our best and most consistent were certainly lúcio, juan, and zé roberto.

Tweedle wrote:At the World Cup he was probably Brazil's most consistent performer

Out off topic, but how stupid is Lucio? Really.

@todo

how highly do YOU rate Kaka ?

otto, it's difficult to ignore 3 finals and 2 wins in the last 4 WCs, isn't it?

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:we have already buried the MYTH of the colour ORANGE, THANK GOD

let's do the same with the colour YELLOW

todo wrote:otto, it's difficult to ignore 3 finals and 2 wins in the last 4 WCs, isn't it?

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:we have already buried the MYTH of the colour ORANGE, THANK GOD

let's do the same with the colour YELLOW

how many points out of 10 ?

would he be in your top 10 in the world ?

in other words: is he better than Gerrard ?

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:
we have already buried the MYTH of the colour ORANGE, THANK GOD

let's do the same with the colour YELLOW

Piep piep alo piep piep alo CALIMERO piep piep hoi piep piep hoi...

@tito

why? lúcio is excelent, for chris sake.


@otto

I think he's excelent. he's one of the few São Paulo players that play like a man.



"how many points out of 10?"

9

"would he be in your top 10 in the world?"

yes

"in other words: is he better than Gerrard?"

yes.

Ricardo Jol wrote:

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:
we have already buried the MYTH of the colour ORANGE, THANK GOD

let's do the same with the colour YELLOW

:ale:

Piep piep alo piep piep alo CALIMERO piep piep hoi piep piep hoi...

what the f@ck does THAT mean ??

are you trying to communicate with Knut ?

Is Kaka overrated?
No...

That 2 letter word basically ends whatever the fuck you are doing

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:
we have already buried the MYTH of the colour ORANGE, THANK GOD

let's do the same with the colour YELLOW

Piep piep alo piep piep alo CALIMERO piep piep hoi piep piep hoi...

what the f@ck does THAT mean ??

are you trying to communicate with Knut ?

There is indeed a comparison to make with that small innocent Knut and the small innocent yellow bird called Calimero....

BTW Every Dutchie knows exactly what I mean....

It is been noticed you are suffering from Calimeritis. "I is small and he are big and that's unfair...."

@Todo
It's just my opinion. I really, really think that he is shit, and extremely stupid.
I'm basing this opinion on the last 4, 5 years of watching Bundesliga.

Kaka isn't overrated neither the best player in the world, Cannavaro is .

But credit where it is due, Kaka has single handedly kept Milan's attacking ticking, without him Milan never look like scoring, he provides the passes and imagination which the Milan team lack, and carrying the Milan attack in comparison to scoring PK's and FK's and putting in a good performance every 5-6 games, what Dinho has done this season..

what happened to Pirlo ?

is he still pulling his weight ?

What has Dinho done this season????
I think Barca are still top of the league thanks to him and Iniesta.
Or am i wrong?

TITO wrote:What has Dinho done this season????
I think Barca are still top of the league thanks to him and Iniesta.
Or am i wrong?

Defo, due to Ronaldinho's goals Barca are top of the leauge at this moment in time.

But if the goals don't tell the whole story, although i'll be the first to admit some of the critism is unfair, he hasn't lived up his high standards this season.

Kaka Vs Ronaldinho: The Stats

Kaka:

Serie A: Apps 25, Goals 5
CL: Apps 8, Goals 7


Goofy:

La Liga: Apps 24, Goals 17
CL: Apps 8, Goals 2

(Stats Courtesy of Sky sports)

Kaka: 12 Goals
Ronaldinho : 19 Goals

*Working on the assists*

Fair enough

dinho has only appeared twice in the CL this year?

ok.

for Brazil he's always excelent. but is he considered a bad defender in Germany, or is it a personal opinion?

TITO wrote:@Todo
It's just my opinion. I really, really think that he is shit, and extremely stupid.
I'm basing this opinion on the last 4, 5 years of watching Bundesliga.

Kimbo wrote:

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:

hell, he would not make my top 10 in the world either

Who would? Give us your top 10 otto.

Hey man could you post that gif from Jaws...

todo wrote:ok.

for Brazil he's always excelent. but is he considered a bad defender in Germany, or is it a personal opinion?

Lucio is not considered a bad defender in Germany. He had a bad season, especially in the first half, but his form has improved considerably under Hitzfeld again, who forces him not to run around like a headless chicken and keep his tactical position.

Why is it that every Brazlian player wants to be a striker?
Brazil should play a 0-0-10 system, honestly.

well, the main goal of a football match is to score... a goal.

and taking Brazilian football history into account, you can't say our strategy does not work.

I doubt bayern would still be at the CL if it wasn't for a Brazilian defender who wants to be a striker...

[quote="blutgraetsche"]

todo wrote:Why is it that every Brazlian player wants to be a striker?
Brazil should play a 0-0-10 system, honestly.

But todo, those typical Lucio runs can only work if the other central defender got his back. Lucio has cost Bayern quite a few goals this season also.

Tactical awareness is very important, especially for a defender. Lucio is a good defender, no doubt, but when it comes to defending itself, Juan is better, for example. Or Naldo for that matter. Both Juan and Naldo score quite a few goals for their teams also, but they are 'smarter' tactically than Lucio is.

Hitzfeld is good for Lucio though, as he has said himself. Lucio needs a strong coach to play well. He needs a kick in the butt now and then.

Naldo is the most elegant of them all, he'll outshine them all in future. Just wait and see.

Rai Krol wrote:Does Dunga rate Kaka over Ronaldinho ..

Kaka is now the no10 for Brazil.

But we all know there's possibly some non-footballing reasons behind that, namely Dunga getting dominated by the kid Ronaldinho in a fierce local derby in the Brazilian league 6-7 years ago.

Oleguerisntthatgreat wrote:

Rasiak-9 wrote:kaka is a superb player, generally thought of as one of the top 5- ish players in the world by most, which i believe is about right

As for him not being as good as Dinho - i'm not sure about that - Kaka carries a constant threat throughout a game whereas Ronaldinho tends to have a few moments of magic in a match. Teams find it easier to limit Ronaldinho's effectiveness than they do Kaka's

Completely disagree.. Ronaldinho's moments of magic are practically impossible to predict or stop.. ask Terry, Nesta, Ramos, Campell etc..
The fact that he is so unpredictable is what makes him invaluable since nobody really knows what he is going to do.

Kaka is more like a Deco (from the Porto days) an excellent, hardworking player but not nearly as difficult to control as Ronaldinho. He is always up against at least 2 players who are trying to close him down yet he still delivers many goals and assists.

I see what you mean but What about the CL final vs Arsenal? - admittedly he was triple-teamed by Toure Eboue and Gilberto which would be tough for any player - but it serves to highlight my point that good tactics can freeze Ronaldinho out of the game.

again, we saw this in practice in the Liverpool game, true, barca didnt play well as a team, but Ronaldinho was not given the chance to have one of his "moments"

I personally would rather have Kaka on my team, although both are great players.

The problem is Ronaldinho is capable of such amazing things that that becomes the benchmark for him. So if he doesn't do a "trick", people think it was a poor performance. Let's take this for example - one of Kaka's best and most frequent moves that draws gasps and cries of "world class world class" from everyone is him going on a long run and striking a long range shot. Or maybe making a great pass. Well, Ronaldinho makes great passes and goes on amazing runs all the time, but they just get perceived as being "ordinary" play because it wasn't a "drop dead" kind of play.

And the more I read about this issue the more it appears to me that it's just an English thing. Most of the opinions the people on this board read are from the English press or people, and I just think that Kaka's style of being a "sensible" midfielder but still capable of great technique and skill appeals to them more than Ronaldinho's unconventional style and tricks. Plus Kaka is a central midfielder, so there's this perception at the back of people's minds that he works harder for the team, again something English-football-style fans like more. Not trying to wind up or discriminate, just stating my thoughts on why so many people think Kaka is better.

Glenn Hysén wrote:what a load of nonsense.

Everyone is overrated, all players live off their reputations and none of them are really any good, it's all hype.

If
you wouldn't take Kaka for your team then you're an idiot. Is he as
good as Ronaldinho? Maybe not when you look at their careers but Kaka
is a few years younger and is still peaking while Dinho appears to be
going off the boil.

This build 'em up, knock 'em down culture
upsets me. Players go from being "underrated" to being "overrated" in a
matter of moments.

:Ale:

There's no denying that Ronaldinho has been poor in recent weeks though.

Calidad wrote:There's no denying that Ronaldinho has been poor in recent weeks though.

ahemmm... Deportivo 4 days ago??