Ye Olde Overrated XI

Lets get nostalgic and do one of these thingys.

---------------------Reina---------------------

-----Simpson-----Skrtel-----Rafael-----

Taarabt--Barton--Britton--Sessegnon

-----Balotteli--Hernandez--Suarez-----

I don't get it.

Mignolet
Ivanovic-Hangeland-P.Jones-Enrique
Fellaini-Lucas
A.Johnson-Tuncay-Rodallega
Adebayor

Some have gone from under- to over- rated (Hangeland, Lucas), some just don't seem to live up to potential (Fellaini, Johnson), some I'm not sure are actually rated but was running short of ideas (Mignolet, Rodallega, Tuncay)

I love the way Kimbo put Skrtel in there because I said he was better than Collicini,I don't know how anyone can say Skrtel is overrated if anything Skrtel is underrated.A lot of people still rate Agger ahead of him because he looks more graceful on the ball even though Skrtel is easily better at defending and is now very good on the ball,he's also big,strong and fast for his size.

Overrated.

---------------Reina

Walker--Ferdinand---Lescott---Baines

-----------Scholes--Modric
----------------Nasri

---------Ba----Rooney----Suarez

Before everyone starts crying, I say Scholes because he is a classic example of a player went from underrated to severely overrated because he retired,I've heard people say he's as good as players like Pirlo and Xavi ,and just because Xavi said Scholes is the best midfielder of the last 20 years do you really think he believes that? Players opinions on other players should be taken with a pinch of salt,they say things in false modesty and go overboard with praise then they are facing a good opposition player,I remember Zidane saying Gerrard was the best player in the world

Scholes is good but is one dimensional,he has nice technique,nice long passing and good shooting from distance but he lacks the ability and vision to play through balls like Xavi does,at the highest levels of the game in the CL and at international level has been average,he can not control a game like Xavi or Pirlo does.If we was so good he wouldn't have been sidelined for Lampard,lets not kid ourselves Scholes was shite for England.

Compare Scholes to Alonso, not the midfield greats of the last 20 years like Xavi and Pirlo etc.

worms wrote:---------------Reina

Walker--Ferdinand---Lescott---Baines

-----------Scholes--Modric
----------------Nasri

---------Ba----Rooney----Suarez

Before everyone starts crying, I say Scholes because he is a classic example of a player went from underrated to severely overrated because he retired,I've heard people say he's as good as players like Pirlo and Xavi ,and just because Xavi said Scholes is the best midfielder of the last 20 years do you really think he believes that? Players opinions on other players should be taken with a pinch of salt,they say things in false modesty and go overboard with praise then they are facing a good opposition player,I remember Zidane saying Gerrard was the best player in the world

Scholes is good but is one dimensional,he has nice technique,nice long passing and good shooting from distance but he lacks the ability and vision to play through balls like Xavi does,at the highest levels of the game in the CL and at international level has been average,he can not control a game like Xavi or Pirlo does.If we was so good he wouldn't have been sidelined for Lampard,lets not kid ourselves Scholes was shite for England.

Compare Scholes to Alonso, not the midfield greats of the last 20 years like Xavi and Pirlo etc.

The Easter Bunny wrote:

worms wrote:---------------Reina

Walker--Ferdinand---Lescott---Baines

-----------Scholes--Modric
----------------Nasri

---------Ba----Rooney----Suarez

Before everyone starts crying, I say Scholes because he is a classic example of a player went from underrated to severely overrated because he retired,I've heard people say he's as good as players like Pirlo and Xavi ,and just because Xavi said Scholes is the best midfielder of the last 20 years do you really think he believes that? Players opinions on other players should be taken with a pinch of salt,they say things in false modesty and go overboard with praise then they are facing a good opposition player,I remember Zidane saying Gerrard was the best player in the world

Scholes is good but is one dimensional,he has nice technique,nice long passing and good shooting from distance but he lacks the ability and vision to play through balls like Xavi does,at the highest levels of the game in the CL and at international level has been average,he can not control a game like Xavi or Pirlo does.If we was so good he wouldn't have been sidelined for Lampard,lets not kid ourselves Scholes was shite for England.

Compare Scholes to Alonso, not the midfield greats of the last 20 years like Xavi and Pirlo etc.

He's one dimensional because he lacks the ability and vision to play defense splitting through balls,creative passing and controlling a game at the highest level,also he is shit at defending and tackling. and his dribbling ability in tight spaces was never up there with the best.

Man United fans are deluded,they watch him play a few nice long passes every game and sometimes a goal from 20 yards so they think it's some kind of midfield masterclass but anybody who understands football will tell you he is now overrated.

debaser wrote:Mignolet
Ivanovic-Hangeland-P.Jones-Enrique
Fellaini-Lucas
A.Johnson-Tuncay-Rodallega
Adebayor

Some have gone from under- to over- rated (Hangeland, Lucas), some just don't seem to live up to potential (Fellaini, Johnson), some I'm not sure are actually rated but was running short of ideas (Mignolet, Rodallega, Tuncay)

Adam Johnson or Andy Johnson?

worms wrote:I love the way Kimbo put Skrtel in there because I said he was better than Collicini,I don't know how anyone can say Skrtel is overrated if anything Skrtel is underrated.A lot of people still rate Agger ahead of him because he looks more graceful on the ball even though Skrtel is easily better at defending and is now very good on the ball,he's also big,strong and fast for his size.

Overrated.

No, I'm just not sure about Skrtel, he tends to have bad games against us though which perhaps influences me too much. Carroll and Cisse have made him look like Bramble the last couple of times Liverpool have come to Newcastle

I remember Skrtel against you at Anfield this year and he was immense and produced a great clearance of the line to make up for Aggers mistake,I can't believe you are judging him from his games against one team anyway.

And Skrtel this year is a different beast from the one previously,so you are judging him on one game against your team when the whole team was shit.

worms wrote:

The Easter Bunny wrote:

worms wrote:---------------Reina

Walker--Ferdinand---Lescott---Baines

-----------Scholes--Modric
----------------Nasri

---------Ba----Rooney----Suarez

Before everyone starts crying, I say Scholes because he is a classic example of a player went from underrated to severely overrated because he retired,I've heard people say he's as good as players like Pirlo and Xavi ,and just because Xavi said Scholes is the best midfielder of the last 20 years do you really think he believes that? Players opinions on other players should be taken with a pinch of salt,they say things in false modesty and go overboard with praise then they are facing a good opposition player,I remember Zidane saying Gerrard was the best player in the world

Scholes is good but is one dimensional,he has nice technique,nice long passing and good shooting from distance but he lacks the ability and vision to play through balls like Xavi does,at the highest levels of the game in the CL and at international level has been average,he can not control a game like Xavi or Pirlo does.If we was so good he wouldn't have been sidelined for Lampard,lets not kid ourselves Scholes was shite for England.

Compare Scholes to Alonso, not the midfield greats of the last 20 years like Xavi and Pirlo etc.

He's one dimensional because he lacks the ability and vision to play defense splitting through balls,creative passing and controlling a game at the highest level,also he is shit at defending and tackling. and his dribbling ability in tight spaces was never up there with the best.

Man United fans are deluded,they watch him play a few nice long passes every game and sometimes a goal from 20 yards so they think it's some kind of midfield masterclass but anybody who understands football will tell you he is now overrated.

do you know anybody who understands football?

worms wrote:I remember Skrtel against you at Anfield this year and he was immense and produced a great clearance of the line to make up for Aggers mistake,I can't believe you are judging him from his games against one team anyway.

And Skrtel this year is a different beast from the one previously,so you are judging him on one game against your team when the whole team was shit.

I'm not. Generally he looks like a poor mans Terry, but if you are happy with him good for you.

christmasborocooper wrote:

debaser wrote:Mignolet
Ivanovic-Hangeland-P.Jones-Enrique
Fellaini-Lucas
A.Johnson-Tuncay-Rodallega
Adebayor

Some have gone from under- to over- rated (Hangeland, Lucas), some just don't seem to live up to potential (Fellaini, Johnson), some I'm not sure are actually rated but was running short of ideas (Mignolet, Rodallega, Tuncay)

Adam Johnson or Andy Johnson?

Adam. The Jinky one. Needs to leave City and start playing regularly. He's SWPing himself.

Agreed

Was just wondering, as Andy had a lot of hype around him at one point.

Glenn's penis wrote:

worms wrote:

The Easter Bunny wrote:

worms wrote:---------------Reina

Walker--Ferdinand---Lescott---Baines

-----------Scholes--Modric
----------------Nasri

---------Ba----Rooney----Suarez

Before everyone starts crying, I say Scholes because he is a classic example of a player went from underrated to severely overrated because he retired,I've heard people say he's as good as players like Pirlo and Xavi ,and just because Xavi said Scholes is the best midfielder of the last 20 years do you really think he believes that? Players opinions on other players should be taken with a pinch of salt,they say things in false modesty and go overboard with praise then they are facing a good opposition player,I remember Zidane saying Gerrard was the best player in the world

Scholes is good but is one dimensional,he has nice technique,nice long passing and good shooting from distance but he lacks the ability and vision to play through balls like Xavi does,at the highest levels of the game in the CL and at international level has been average,he can not control a game like Xavi or Pirlo does.If we was so good he wouldn't have been sidelined for Lampard,lets not kid ourselves Scholes was shite for England.

Compare Scholes to Alonso, not the midfield greats of the last 20 years like Xavi and Pirlo etc.

He's one dimensional because he lacks the ability and vision to play defense splitting through balls,creative passing and controlling a game at the highest level,also he is shit at defending and tackling. and his dribbling ability in tight spaces was never up there with the best.

Man United fans are deluded,they watch him play a few nice long passes every game and sometimes a goal from 20 yards so they think it's some kind of midfield masterclass but anybody who understands football will tell you he is now overrated.

do you know anybody who understands football?

Yes.

And you are certainly not one of them...

debaser wrote:Mignolet
Ivanovic-Hangeland-P.Jones-Enrique
Fellaini-Lucas
A.Johnson-Tuncay-Rodallega
Adebayor

Some have gone from under- to over- rated (Hangeland, Lucas), some just don't seem to live up to potential (Fellaini, Johnson), some I'm not sure are actually rated but was running short of ideas (Mignolet, Rodallega, Tuncay)

I was thinking that about Fellaini, but he was an unstoppable force against Man Utd this weekend.

Hlebagone wrote:

debaser wrote:Mignolet
Ivanovic-Hangeland-P.Jones-Enrique
Fellaini-Lucas
A.Johnson-Tuncay-Rodallega
Adebayor

Some have gone from under- to over- rated (Hangeland, Lucas), some just don't seem to live up to potential (Fellaini, Johnson), some I'm not sure are actually rated but was running short of ideas (Mignolet, Rodallega, Tuncay)

I was thinking that about Fellaini, but he was an unstoppable force against Man Utd this weekend.

Well yeah that's what reminded me of him - but why doesn't he do that more often? His first season here, he was scoring regularly, I thought he'd build on that, but seems to have stagnated at best. He's surprisingly still only 24 so time yet..

I'll need to see a current list of who's rated. Is Jonny Evans hot or not this week? van Persie hasn't been scoring many lately.

The Lucas inclusion is a bit mean spirited, I'm all for a good old fashioned backlash but he hasn't played since November, at which point he was awesome, Liverpool were ahead of Arsenal and in touching distance of 4th with the 2nd/3rd best defensive record in the league. Not finding suitable cover for him in January is the only thing King Kenny has ever done wrong IMHO.

Of the players listed so far I can only agree with Suarez, Hernandez and Nasri. Clint Dempsey seems to get more praise than he deserves for being slightly better than he's supposed to be. I'm not sure if this is a critique of players themselves or popular opinion. Gervinho, Oxtail-Chambermaid, Santon, Dawson, Friedel, AYoung, GJohnson. That's 11.

debaser wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:

debaser wrote:Mignolet
Ivanovic-Hangeland-P.Jones-Enrique
Fellaini-Lucas
A.Johnson-Tuncay-Rodallega
Adebayor

Some have gone from under- to over- rated (Hangeland, Lucas), some just don't seem to live up to potential (Fellaini, Johnson), some I'm not sure are actually rated but was running short of ideas (Mignolet, Rodallega, Tuncay)

I was thinking that about Fellaini, but he was an unstoppable force against Man Utd this weekend.

Well yeah that's what reminded me of him - but why doesn't he do that more often? His first season here, he was scoring regularly, I thought he'd build on that, but seems to have stagnated at best. He's surprisingly still only 24 so time yet..

But didn't Fellaini play a lot as a striker his first season because of all the injuries Everton had? Seen a statistic that he's won more tackles than any other midfield in the EPL this season. Maybe just doing a little more of the dirty work these days.

Assuming this means overrated by the press, rather than forum members, then I'd go for this side:


-------------Friedel

Walker-Shawcross/Jones-Terry-Baines

-----------Parker-Barry

Milner--------Lampard--------Bale

---------------Suarez





Redknapp and Dalglish to form a managerial dream team.

..............Krul

...P Jones...Carragher...King

Downing....Barry....Cahill....Balotelli
..............Lampard

........Hernandez...Dzeko

COTR wrote:..............Krul

...P Jones...Carragher...King

Downing....Barry....Cahill....Balotelli
..............Lampard

........Hernandez...Dzeko

I don't think anybody rates Carragher anymore,even Lewis doesn't rate him ffs.

Similarly with Tim Cahill,nearly every Everton fan I have spoken to no longer wants Tim Cahill in the squad never mind the team,they say he's a division 1 standard player nowadays and they're right.

COTR wrote:..............Krul

...P Jones...Carragher...King

Downing....Barry....Cahill....Balotelli
..............Lampard

........Hernandez...Dzeko

Nobody rates Barry anymore. Carragher and King are both finished. I do not know anybody with sane reasoning thought that Downing was a £20mil winger.

Krul is awesome.

----------------Friedel/Given

G.Johnson-----Shawcross----Vermaelen-------Baines

---------------------Lucas
-------------Parker(c)-----Cleverly
--------------------Lampard

--------------Suarez--------Dzeko

---------Given
Walker--King-Vermaelen--Baines
--------Parker--Barry
----------Silva
Suarez----Adebayor----Taraabt

Vermaelen's a good one.

Why the are people putting King in there?! IDIOTS ALL OF YOU!

He might be overrated on these board because of c**ts like TS and I,

but in the REAL World there is nothing overrated about King whatsoever! Was always overlooked for England even before his chronic knee injury, is never in the running for any of the big awards, has been usurped by Carragher for one of the best 10 defenders in the history of the Premier League FFS.

And this is a masterclass from Worms on Scholes

He's one dimensional because he lacks the ability and vision to play defense splitting through balls,creative passing and controlling a game at the highest level

Pray, do tell what "highest level" are you talking about?

CL semi final against Barcelona not good enough for you?



Has Ibrahimovic managed this?

Guardiola tells worms to shut up:

King definitely among better defenders to have played in PL last decade. But he's no Paul Mcgrath and certainly this season, he's been shite in later half.

Fade out wrote:King definitely among better defenders to have played in PL last decade. But he's no Paul Mcgrath and certainly this season, he's been shite in later half.

He's only got ONE working knee!

And to be fair: from September to March, he was superb - which is at least 2/3's of the season.

He hasn't been "shite" so much as running on empty and not helped by being hung out to dry by some of the most pathetic collective team defending I've ever seen. Gallas has been beyond shit next to him in comparison. And the less said about Walker's form in 2012, the better.

And Paul Mcgrath played in an era when the Premier League wasn't so Premier at all. I distinctly remember him thinking he was rather slow even back then. Would not stand out in today's era IMO

Even King thinks otherwise about McGrath.

Fade out wrote:Even King thinks otherwise about McGrath.

To be fair, I was just a little tiddler when Mcgrath was drinking himself into a stupour before a game on a Saturday, to be fair.

So I'll take his word for it