Is The EPL overrated??

Ok so I just watched Everton V Tottenham and I got to say, for two teams who are considered mid table teams and consistently finish in the top 10, it was a shocking football game.

Apart from Arsenal, Man U, and Chelsea, (and at times Liverpool) the rest play mediocre football, with little skill involved.

Back to the Everton V Tottenham game, this just consisted of long balls and players running up and down the field really fast. No wonder England hasn’t been able to do anything on the international stage since 66.

Sure there is a lot of money coming into the EPL right now, but unless they don’t improve the quality of football played from all the smaller clubs (not the top 4) and unless they don’t win or reach the final of an international competition soon, I can see the EPL dropping down the chain fast, as I suspect that La Liga, and Seire A will soon pick up there game, improve stadiums and security, and also improve TV rights, thus creating an equal atmosphere for game, yet what will then separate la liga and seire a from the epl, is the quality, which right now, epl is miles behind.

what are you on about? it was a great game

You can't blame the EPL. The coaches for example set the way to play.

And every team can have a bad day. To have interesting games there must be boring games, aye?

Everton generally play Cr@p football, i'll give u that, but are u really saying spurs are a long ball team?

nah

Agooner wrote:Everton generally play Cr@p football, i'll give u that, but are u really saying spurs are a long ball team?

but the general concept is just that .. you never see any flashy skill, midfielders splitting defenders ... and the only cracking goals you see in the EPL is long ranger shots (which are very nice) but again they are the only ones you see, and generally happen because defenders give attackers so much space

In the top 20 goals from last season, 8 or 9 would go to serie a, 7 or 8 to la liga and only about 4 to the EPL

i think some one mentioned that the coaches are to blame, which is true, but i think is more so the youth coaches, who dont develop players better. England need to start developing players like Totti, Pirlo, kaka, Quaserma, players like that, who may not have as much skill as the likes of ronaldinho, but are still very skillful, and add so much more to a game.

Again you cant take away what they have done to the EPl, in terms of security, TV (In terms of TV quality, highlight programs, no one comes close to the EPL) stadiums (again, they have prob the best stadiums in the world). This does make it a very attractive league, but if the quality is not there on the field, people will start to turn away, and especially when the other big leagues start building new stadium, improve TV rights, etc, etc

with that comment the strength in depth of la liga is not as wide as the top 4 are to the rest in the premiership. the lower premiership teams arent as good as lower la liga teams like atletico are better thn man city or everton etc. i cudn't comment on serie a as i have no interest in it really but i wudnt say the EPL would fall behind . the english national team is becuase the influx of foreign players

StevieG wrote:with that comment the strength in depth of la liga is not as wide as the top 4 are to the rest in the premiership. the lower premiership teams arent as good as lower la liga teams like atletico are better thn man city or everton etc. i cudn't comment on serie a as i have no interest in it really but i wudnt say the EPL would fall behind . the english national team is becuase the influx of foreign players

And there isnt an influx in foreign players in italy?

Like i said, all the money and that is good, but it cant last forever ... And if the quality on the football feild dont improve, it will go back to where it used to be

Should i be honest with u? i think u are an Italian fan that has grown fed up with all the tensions between the English and Italian( bluenine) posters on this board and maybe feels the need to even escalate things further by posting wind ups about the English league.

You say u don't see defence splitting passes in the epl, but let me just take u to the game u just finished watching; didn't u see Bent's disallowed goal? keane played a throughball to berbatov who pulled it back for bent to score, but the goal didn't stand because berb was offside. I won't even bother citing examples in others games that were played in the weekend because i know you're on a wind up.

I see u have started another thread saying city should be considered title contenders. It is no surprise to me that you're hyping them up because they are the team in the epl with the most Italian influence.

Agooner wrote:Should i be honest with u? i think u are an Italian fan that has grown fed up with all the tensions between the English and Italian( bluenine) posters on this board and maybe feels the need to even escalate things further by posting wind ups about the English league.

You say u don't see defence splitting passes in the epl, but let me just take u to the game u just finished watching; didn't u see Bent's disallowed goal? keane played a throughball to berbatov who pulled it back for bent to score, but the goal didn't stand because berb was offside. I won't even bother citing examples in others games that were played in the weekend because i know you're on a wind up.

I see u have started another thread saying city should be considered title contenders. It is no surprise to me that you're hyping them up because they are the team in the epl with the most Italian influence.

Look, if wanted to rub it in your face, id post the following

- World Cup 2006
- CL 2006/7
- European Golden Boots 2005/6 and 2006/7
- Player of the year 2006/7
- kaka will prob get 2007/8 player of the year (playing for Milan)
- lorens team of the year 2006 (Italy)
- An Italian coach basically winning la Liga with Real Madrid (not to mention Italian coaches winning all other major titles apart from EPL)
- Italy has the best youth, along with Portugal and Argentina

... That would be rubbing it into your face

getting back to the topic, i was just making a realistic comment ... Which is so true, as the rest of the teams have nothing at all on the top 4.

And with man city, im just jumping on the bandwagon, simply as they are a brand new team in the EPL, and can do very well this season

look tonigol to be honest the EPL La Liga Serie A always have been the ebst leagues and its always one of them that wins the big trophys usually with the exeption of the odd time like bayern and porto in recent years the money is in them leagues and the EPL is a very exciting league thats rubbish ive seen some epic matches

Tonigol you want to see some football watch sky sports 1 on sunday
manchester city vs manchester united
liverpool vs chelsea

you wont be disapointed

Good, u did very well explaining to me that your motives are genuine, but i am still convinced you're on the wind up

I am not English BTW

StevieG wrote:look tonigol to be honest the EPL La Liga Serie A always have been the ebst leagues and its always one of them that wins the big trophys usually with the exeption of the odd time like bayern and porto in recent years the money is in them leagues and the EPL is a very exciting league thats rubbish ive seen some epic matches

Tonigol you want to see some football watch sky sports 1 on sunday
manchester city vs manchester united
liverpool vs chelsea

you wont be disapointed

for sure they will be two top games (and man city will beat man U)
But im talking more about all the othere teams and games

Well...I really wont recommand him a Liverpool-Chelsea game to be honsest. Just watch games that invole Man Utd....they are awesome. Liverpool and Arsenal have Kuyt and RVP...they rock as well, but the rest of their teams not so...

tonigol wrote:

StevieG wrote:with that comment the strength in depth of la liga is not as wide as the top 4 are to the rest in the premiership. the lower premiership teams arent as good as lower la liga teams like atletico are better thn man city or everton etc. i cudn't comment on serie a as i have no interest in it really but i wudnt say the EPL would fall behind . the english national team is becuase the influx of foreign players

And there isnt an influx in foreign players in italy?

Like i said, all the money and that is good, but it cant last forever ... And if the quality on the football feild dont improve, it will go back to where it used to be

England do lack having the best skillfull players and have done so for ages. I would not defend this. But I will watch the EPL over the italian leagues anyday........Off subject a little what has hurt England is losing there own traditional football path years ago, and trying to play like the europeans.

Brian2468 wrote:

tonigol wrote:

StevieG wrote:with that comment the strength in depth of la liga is not as wide as the top 4 are to the rest in the premiership. the lower premiership teams arent as good as lower la liga teams like atletico are better thn man city or everton etc. i cudn't comment on serie a as i have no interest in it really but i wudnt say the EPL would fall behind . the english national team is becuase the influx of foreign players

And there isnt an influx in foreign players in italy?

Like i said, all the money and that is good, but it cant last forever ... And if the quality on the football feild dont improve, it will go back to where it used to be

England do lack having the best skillfull players and have done so for ages. I would not defend this. But I will watch the EPL over the italian leagues anyday........Off subject a little what has hurt England is losing there own traditional football path years ago, and trying to play like the europeans.

Serie A is no longer defensive, and there were some super games played last season

Inter V Milan was a top game .. One of the best all season in any competition. Roma, Inter and Fiorentina were all involved in quite a few cracking games

tonigol wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:

tonigol wrote:

StevieG wrote:with that comment the strength in depth of la liga is not as wide as the top 4 are to the rest in the premiership. the lower premiership teams arent as good as lower la liga teams like atletico are better thn man city or everton etc. i cudn't comment on serie a as i have no interest in it really but i wudnt say the EPL would fall behind . the english national team is becuase the influx of foreign players

And there isnt an influx in foreign players in italy?

Like i said, all the money and that is good, but it cant last forever ... And if the quality on the football feild dont improve, it will go back to where it used to be

England do lack having the best skillfull players and have done so for ages. I would not defend this. But I will watch the EPL over the italian leagues anyday........Off subject a little what has hurt England is losing there own traditional football path years ago, and trying to play like the europeans.

Serie A is no longer defensive, and there were some super games played last season

Inter V Milan was a top game .. One of the best all season in any competition. Roma, Inter and Fiorentina were all involved in quite a few cracking games

A few cracking games thats nice. I do not doubt the skill level..... Everytime I have sit down to view a game it was been like watching a chess game.

The EPL IS VERY OVERRATED by its own media, but it's still a good league. One of the things I've learned here is that many English folks could have the best stuff in the world (it's not from England though), yet they don't know it or won't accept it. They'd rather have a "Paul Potts" or a Lampard/Gerrard/Rooney/Beckham/Terry.

Puro wrote:The EPL IS VERY OVERRATED by its own media, but it's still a good league. One of the things I've learned here is that many English folks could have the best stuff in the world (it's not from England though), yet they don't know it or won't accept it. They'd rather have a "Paul Potts" or a Lampard/Gerrard/Rooney/Beckham/Terry.

I never said the EPL aint good, but like you said, its overrated

Just liek Rooney and beckham, good players, but overrated

That's 'cos you aren't watching the proper games. Watch Middlesbrough in action an you will realise what is real football, better than you rubbish Fiorentina games

golsud wrote:That's 'cos you aren't watching the proper games. Watch Middlesbrough in action an you will realise what is real football, better than you rubbish Fiorentina games

"rubbish Fiorentina"

In actual fact, Fiorentina has one of the bst young teams in the world ... so many, they even got rid of Bojinov, who i think will beomce huge in a few years.

Just look at these players:

- Giampaolo Pazzini
- Arturo Lupoli
- Matthias Lepiller
- Anthony Vanden Borre
- Jan Hable

Just some of the young players they have who will become stars of the future.

Ok Pazzini I will give to you since when Van Den Borre is a great prospect CM king he was but in real life you will be alot dissapointed
Matthias Lepiller from Le Havre? If so he still 19 and hasnt played any Ligue 1 games in my knowledge.
Jan Hable hmmmmmmm the U19 captain of Czech ?Lots to prove.

Yesterday was a decent game though.

Dark Savante wrote:Ok Pazzini I will give to you since when Van Den Borre is a great prospect CM king he was but in real life you will be alot dissapointed
Matthias Lepiller from Le Havre? If so he still 19 and hasnt played any Ligue 1 games in my knowledge.
Jan Hable hmmmmmmm the U19 captain of Czech ?Lots to prove.

Yesterday was a decent game though.

man what are you on about????? all of them are under the age of 22
They are all yet to prove them selves, but are all set to be stars of the future

And look out for Lupoli .. not as good as G.Rossi, but will still be a star

But well, all the leagues have their own flavor. EPL is fast, hard-tackling and has more "action". La Liga, in general, is slower, but more technical. And let's accept, EPL is slightly more Telly-friendly. Tend to watch only the top matches of SerieA, quite like it, but cannot really comment due to lack of in-depth knowledge.
I tend to like ball skills, thus will side, a tiny little bit, towards La Liga. You see some of it in the EPL as well, but you do get to see more of that in La Liga.

But to each his own, isn't it?

I found the post by tonigol just an attempt at a bit of rabble-rousing and attention gathering.

tonigol wrote: unless they don’t win or reach the final of an international competition soon, I can see the EPL dropping down the chain fast

It's got very little to do with how well the team plays in International football. Case in point - La Liga --> Spain. I rest my case. La Liga is excellent.

tonigol wrote:I suspect that La Liga, and Seire A will soon pick up there game, improve stadiums and security, and also improve TV rights, thus creating an equal atmosphere for game, yet what will then separate la liga and seire a from the epl, is the quality, which right now, epl is miles behind.

Here's a pointer. The popularity of the EPL has got a lot to do with the kind of coverage, stadiums yadayada... But has also got to do with one more thing. That in the globalized world, English is the common language, and it is easier (for the regions where football is not already a completely tapped market - say Asia, say the US and Canada, for the regions where football has a greater chance of growth) to identify with the players. As a friend (and avowed La Liga follower) concedes... "it's far easier for a fan to remember that David Bentley is a bright, young prospect for Blackburn than the fact that Joseba Etxcheberria was a Spanish international plying his trade for Bilbao". Very well put, that, I must say.

tonigol wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:Ok Pazzini I will give to you since when Van Den Borre is a great prospect CM king he was but in real life you will be alot dissapointed
Matthias Lepiller from Le Havre? If so he still 19 and hasnt played any Ligue 1 games in my knowledge.
Jan Hable hmmmmmmm the U19 captain of Czech ?Lots to prove.

Yesterday was a decent game though.

man what are you on about????? all of them are under the age of 22
They are all yet to prove them selves, but are all set to be stars of the future

And look out for Lupoli .. not as good as G.Rossi, but will still be a star

Find any mistakes in what I say tell me about it.

godof86 wrote:But well, all the leagues have their own flavor. EPL is fast, hard-tackling and has more "action". La Liga, in general, is slower, but more technical. And let's accept, EPL is slightly more Telly-friendly. Tend to watch only the top matches of SerieA, quite like it, but cannot really comment due to lack of in-depth knowledge.
I tend to like ball skills, thus will side, a tiny little bit, towards La Liga. You see some of it in the EPL as well, but you do get to see more of that in La Liga.

But to each his own, isn't it?

I found the post by tonigol just an attempt at a bit of rabble-rousing and attention gathering.

tonigol wrote: unless they don’t win or reach the final of an international competition soon, I can see the EPL dropping down the chain fast

It's got very little to do with how well the team plays in International football. Case in point - La Liga --> Spain. I rest my case. La Liga is excellent.

tonigol wrote:I suspect that La Liga, and Seire A will soon pick up there game, improve stadiums and security, and also improve TV rights, thus creating an equal atmosphere for game, yet what will then separate la liga and seire a from the epl, is the quality, which right now, epl is miles behind.

Here's a pointer. The popularity of the EPL has got a lot to do with the kind of coverage, stadiums yadayada... But has also got to do with one more thing. That in the globalized world, English is the common language, and it is easier (for the regions where football is not already a completely tapped market - say Asia, say the US and Canada, for the regions where football has a greater chance of growth) to identify with the players. As a friend (and avowed La Liga follower) concedes... "it's far easier for a fan to remember that David Bentley is a bright, young prospect for Blackburn than the fact that Joseba Etxcheberria was a Spanish international plying his trade for Bilbao". Very well put, that, I must say.

I disagree

Sure la liga is good, but it i built on 2 clubs, Madrid and Barca ... Take them away from Spain and you got no la liga ... lets not forget that if it went for the government, Madrid would have gone broke quite a few times.

And what does English being the common language got to do with watching sport ... ever heard of English commentators on a serie A or la liga game???

English football will die out (will still be one of the top 3, but will remain in 3rd spot)

How many world cup winners have played or do play in England, id say a hand full .... So right now all the EPL got is money, which if fine for now, but like i said, it cant last forever .. what happens when clubs like man City go broke, or abramovic leaves????

Apart from the top 4, all the other teams have to offer is fast paced football, with no skills, and no tactical look on it

Dark Savante wrote:

tonigol wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:Ok Pazzini I will give to you since when Van Den Borre is a great prospect CM king he was but in real life you will be alot dissapointed
Matthias Lepiller from Le Havre? If so he still 19 and hasnt played any Ligue 1 games in my knowledge.
Jan Hable hmmmmmmm the U19 captain of Czech ?Lots to prove.

Yesterday was a decent game though.

man what are you on about????? all of them are under the age of 22
They are all yet to prove them selves, but are all set to be stars of the future

And look out for Lupoli .. not as good as G.Rossi, but will still be a star

Find any mistakes in what I say tell me about it.

i said they are all going to be the next stars of football

instead of acknowledging it, you say things like "hmmmmm still a lot to prove"

hence why i said "all of them are under the age of 22
They are all yet to prove them selves, but are all set to be stars of the future"

tonigol wrote:
Sure la liga is good, but it i built on 2 clubs, Madrid and Barca ... Take them away from Spain and you got no la liga ... lets not forget that if it went for the government, Madrid would have gone broke quite a few times.

and

tonigol wrote:
I can see the EPL dropping down the chain fast, as I suspect that La Liga, and Seire A will soon pick up there game, improve stadiums .....

Appreciate the disagreement, but what's your alternate take, please? The above two are contradictory statements, aren't they? Or did you just include La Liga in your previous statement for the fun of it?

tonigol wrote:
And what does English being the common language got to do with watching sport ... ever heard of English commentators on a serie A or la liga game???

In the rest of the world, that's the way it is. I don't stay in Europe, and for all La Liga and Serie A matches, the commentary is in English.

tonigol wrote:
So right now all the EPL got is money, which if fine for now, but like i said, it cant last forever .. what happens when clubs like man City go broke, or abramovic leaves????

What happens when there are a few hundred nuclear bombs tossed around the world? What happens if the arctic ice cap melts? C'mon. We can go on like this for ever.

Live and let live. There are different styles of football played in different places in the world. And there is enough place for each of them.

And yeah, it is a cyclical thing anyway, one day the SerieA might become the most popular league in the world, but not for any of the reasons that you have suggested.

godof86 wrote:

tonigol wrote:
Sure la liga is good, but it i built on 2 clubs, Madrid and Barca ... Take them away from Spain and you got no la liga ... lets not forget that if it went for the government, Madrid would have gone broke quite a few times.

and

tonigol wrote:
I can see the EPL dropping down the chain fast, as I suspect that La Liga, and Seire A will soon pick up there game, improve stadiums .....

Appreciate the disagreement, but what's your alternate take, please? The above two are contradictory statements, aren't they? Or did you just include La Liga in your previous statement for the fun of it?

tonigol wrote:
And what does English being the common language got to do with watching sport ... ever heard of English commentators on a serie A or la liga game???

In the rest of the world, that's the way it is. I don't stay in Europe, and for all La Liga and Serie A matches, the commentary is in English.

tonigol wrote:
So right now all the EPL got is money, which if fine for now, but like i said, it cant last forever .. what happens when clubs like man City go broke, or abramovic leaves????

What happens when there are a few hundred nuclear bombs tossed around the world? What happens if the arctic ice cap melts? C'mon. We can go on like this for ever.

Live and let live. There are different styles of football played in different places in the world. And there is enough place for each of them.

And yeah, it is a cyclical thing anyway, one day the SerieA might become the most popular league in the world, but not for any of the reasons that you have suggested.

can i ask how long you have been watching football for?????????? Im guessing not very long.

do you not know what happened in serie A in the late 90's early 2000
many clubs like man city started spending big, didnt win any titles, and by the end of it, went broke, or came very close to it, sending some clubs even into relegation

Serie A was the most popular in the 90's
And in terms of skill, etc, etc, Seire A is miles ahead of everything else

This is what Italian football achieved in 2 seasons (which i mentioned already)

- World Cup 2006
- CL 2006/7
- European Golden Boots 2005/6 and 2006/7
- Player of the year 2006/7
- kaka will prob get 2007/8 player of the year (playing for Milan)
- lorens team of the year 2006 (Italy)
- An Italian coach basically winning la Liga with Real Madrid (not to mention Italian coaches winning all other major titles apart from EPL)
- Italy has the best youth, along with Portugal and Argentina

tonigol wrote:
can i ask how long you have been watching football for?????????? Im guessing not very long.

Am keeping away from personal attack, tonigol. Prefer you to do the same. And since you asked, not too long. My signature photograph, is my first football memory.

tonigol wrote:
Serie A was the most popular in the 90's

Like I said, it is cyclical.

tonigol wrote:
And in terms of skill, etc, etc, Seire A is miles ahead of everything else

Which is your opinion. And it's great to have an opinion. Good for you.

tonigol wrote:
This is what Italian football achieved in 2 seasons (which i mentioned already)

- World Cup 2006
- CL 2006/7
- European Golden Boots 2005/6 and 2006/7
- Player of the year 2006/7
- kaka will prob get 2007/8 player of the year (playing for Milan)
- lorens team of the year 2006 (Italy)
- An Italian coach basically winning la Liga with Real Madrid (not to mention Italian coaches winning all other major titles apart from EPL)
- Italy has the best youth, along with Portugal and Argentina

Very happy for you that the Italian national team is looking great. And Kaka is just awesome. Could not figure out, how does that make La Liga bad ? or EPL ? Get a grip.