De Ja Vu Liverpool vs Chelsea Discussion

Was it only I who thought that Gerrard was pretty much bollocks tonight (compared to the rest of the Pool players - Crouch and Kuyt aside)?

S4P2 wrote:Was it only I who thought that Gerrard was pretty much bollocks tonight (compared to the rest of the Pool players - Crouch and Kuyt aside)?

He wasn't very good.

I don't think he was all that either.

waft the hapless youth wrote:

COTR wrote:

Murray wrote:Liverpool are taking a big risk playing headless chicken Gerrard in the middle. That will leave a big hole for Chelsea to run right through.

there goes that theory anyway

You think?

He was very poor. Never has a player rated so highly given the ball to the opposition so frequently.

f@ck off Waft...

He was amazing. He played incredibly well. He won so many balls he shouldn't have and his distribution was near perfect. He probably misplaced 2 passes, at most. Just because he failed to score a wonder goal doesn't mean he had a bad game.

Still....how good was Zenden tonight He really gets the outmost of his career. Good game from him though.

L.r.d wrote:

OwenThomas4 wrote:The diamond system should be abandoned. It has been a failure.

It can work, Everton use it well. But Chelsea need Essien in there. Mikel Lampard Makelele just lacks a lot of things.

True say.

Essien is the ideal player for the right diamond role.

The other 3 CMs we have arent really. Perhaps Mikel could work in the DM role. There's not really room for a Lampard in the formation certainly.

L.r.d wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

COTR wrote:
jose to be sacked?

:laugh:

Don't be surprised. You don't spend over 400 mill on a club to watch a guy f@ck your golden boy around, play shite football and just win the carling cup.

£200 million. Not too much more than what you spent on 6 players.

And didn't you go 2 seasons where you only won the Carling Cup?

I agree S4P , didnt too much either but watch out tomorrow for Gerrard and Lampard praises (more Gerrard though).

S4P2 wrote:Was it only I who thought that Gerrard was pretty much bollocks tonight (compared to the rest of the Pool players - Crouch and Kuyt aside)?

I thought everyone was pretty bollocks tonight, there was a Gordon Ramsey episode on : much more interesting !

Gordon is my man of the match

he was very good in the 1st leg but poor tonight

L.r.d wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

COTR wrote:
jose to be sacked?

Don't be surprised. You don't spend over 400 mill on a club to watch a guy f@ck your golden boy around, play shite football and just win the carling cup.

I think S4P is laughing because of what he has achieved there he should be given allowed to carry on, theres a fine line between winning and 'almost' winning.

However Abramovich is from a corporate background where there are targets and if you don't hit them, you expect not to stick around.

This summer will certainly be interesting.

Money, players, relationship with board.... wouldn't be my issue, actually getting the Chelsea team back to 4-3-3 and playing the ball on the floor would be what i'd want to see if i were a Chelsea fan.

Dark Savante wrote:I agree S4P , didnt too much either but watch out tomorrow for Gerrard and Lampard praises (more Gerrard though).

Lampard was dire, but Gerrard should only get 6/10 maximum.

On the other hand, Mascherano, Pennant and Zenden were all superb.

Today at 7:49 pm

waft the hapless youth wrote:It is quite loud, to be fair.

1-0 Pool, penalty shoot-out to decide.

waftradamus strikes again

Did no one actually watch the game? Gerrard was incredible until he was pushed out wide. Chelsea had more of the game after the change...A coincidence?

Agree S4P.

S4P2 wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:I agree S4P , didnt too much either but watch out tomorrow for Gerrard and Lampard praises (more Gerrard though).

Lampard was dire, but Gerrard should only get 6/10 maximum.

On the other hand, Mascherano, Pennant and Zenden were all superb.

And people worry why England do badly.

CT wrote:Did no one actually watch the game? Gerrard was incredible until he was pushed out wide. Chelsea had more of the game after the change...A coincidence?

All Gerrard did was chase players down and tackle them (sometimes unfairly). I thought that was Mascherano's job?

Fair play to him though, he did set up Agger's goal well.

CT wrote:

waft the hapless youth wrote:

COTR wrote:

Murray wrote:Liverpool are taking a big risk playing headless chicken Gerrard in the middle. That will leave a big hole for Chelsea to run right through.

there goes that theory anyway

You think?

He was very poor. Never has a player rated so highly given the ball to the opposition so frequently.

f@ck off Waft...

He was amazing. He played incredibly well. He won so many balls he shouldn't have and his distribution was near perfect. He probably misplaced 2 passes, at most. Just because he failed to score a wonder goal doesn't mean he had a bad game.

CT wrote:Did no one actually watch the game? Gerrard was incredible until he was pushed out wide. Chelsea had more of the game after the change...A coincidence?

I truly didn't see him being a standout performer.

I just don't see how people can say Gerrard played poorly. He didn't.

Personally i thought Essien was pretty much faultless, never looked out of place once tonight even though he is not a defender by trade.

However perhaps the lack of any real potent strikers made the job a little easier.

so tempted to bump all the "Chelsea will definately score" posts from the last week, you all look like idiots now. Too tired and emotional. f@ck the pro hacking admin of this board. As Justin Timberlake would say - f@ck Chelsea

CT , he wasnt good decent is the word for it , 6/10 is spot on for him.

Dark Savante wrote:CT , he wasnt good decent is the word for it , 6/10 is spot on for him.

I don't agree, but oh well
I was impressed by Gerrard, and you guys are wrong

Carragher was awesome.

Pennant had a good game .. before he was substituted.

S4P2 wrote:Was it only I who thought that Gerrard was pretty much bollocks tonight (compared to the rest of the Pool players - Crouch and Kuyt aside)?

yeah yeah. the gerrard bashers are always going to have a go at him

it's the same as henry

he was 3 against 2 in the first half (if you count flump ) and he was excellent. when he moved to the right he wasn't really noticeable

maybe it'll just be liverpool fans that appreciate his performance but I thought it was brilliant and the grumps can moan all they wish

COTR wrote:

S4P2 wrote:Was it only I who thought that Gerrard was pretty much bollocks tonight (compared to the rest of the Pool players - Crouch and Kuyt aside)?

yeah yeah. the gerrard bashers are always going to have a go at him

it's the same as henry

he was 3 against 2 in the first half (if you count flump ) and he was excellent. when he moved to the right he wasn't really noticeable

maybe it'll just be liverpool fans that appreciate his performance but I thought it was brilliant and the grumps can moan all they wish

Sounds like Carrick with us

COTR wrote:

S4P2 wrote:Was it only I who thought that Gerrard was pretty much bollocks tonight (compared to the rest of the Pool players - Crouch and Kuyt aside)?

yeah yeah. the gerrard bashers are always going to have a go at him

it's the same as henry

he was 3 against 2 in the first half (if you count flump ) and he was excellent. when he moved to the right he wasn't really noticeable

maybe it'll just be liverpool fans that appreciate his performance but I thought it was brilliant and the grumps can moan all they wish

^^ The only sane person here.

It's amazing the influence partiality has on a spectacle. Yes, it was mightily tense towards the end, pens etc, but it was a shockingly bad game IMO.

My Liverpool ratings:

Reina 8 - Did very well in the shoot-out, but left his goal completely open twice, in which we should have scored.
Finnan 7 - Rarely troubled, didn't get forward much either.
Carragher 8 - Handled Drogba well.
Agger 7 - Comfortable, but rarely tested.
Riise 8 - Got forward well.
Pennant 8.5 - Troubled Ashley Cole a lot at times.
Mascherano 9 - Broke up so much of our possession. Superb.
Gerrard 6 - Little attacking threat.
Zenden 7.5/8 - Offered width, but didn't get as many crosses in as I'd have thought.
Crouch 5 - No real threat.
Kuyt 6 - Took the 'offside' goal well, but should have finished his header. Offered little threat otherwise.

Alonso 6 - Average.