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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 12:36 pm

    Liverpool comedian John Bishops all time Liverpool European 11:

    .......................Ray Clemence..........................

    ...Phil Neal............Carragher..........Hansen............Kennedy......

    ....Case.................Gerrard..........Souness.........R. Kennedy......

    ..................Dalglish....................Rush.................................
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    Post by Tweesus Mon May 21, 2007 12:45 pm

    Was at Liverpool at the weekend and there were radio announcements about the anticipated celebrations on Wednesday king

    I was hanging out with toffee fans though, they were far from impressed
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 12:46 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Was at Liverpool at the weekend and there were radio announcements about the anticipated celebrations on Wednesday king

    I was hanging out with toffee fans though, they were far from impressed

    What part you go to?
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    Post by Tweesus Mon May 21, 2007 12:51 pm

    Luis wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:Was at Liverpool at the weekend and there were radio announcements about the anticipated celebrations on Wednesday king

    I was hanging out with toffee fans though, they were far from impressed

    What part you go to?

    The university area - Smithdowns?

    Went out in the centre to a few clubs and bars: a tequila bar, Heeby-jeebies and Bumper ok
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 12:52 pm

    Smithdown ye, what were you doing in Liverpool btw?
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    Post by Tweesus Mon May 21, 2007 12:55 pm

    One of my mates studies at the uni there - he had his last exam on Friday so me and a couple of mates drove up there to stay at his and celebrate his finishing his degree. Been to see him a few times up there in fact.

    As cities go, I actually quite like Liverpool, despite its reputation - better than Manchester at least but its ridculously windy!
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 12:56 pm

    Tweedle wrote:One of my mates studies at the uni there - he had his last exam on Friday so me and a couple of mates drove up there to stay at his and celebrate his finishing his degree. Been to see him a few times up there in fact.

    As cities go, I actually quite like Liverpool, despite its reputation - better than Manchester at least but its ridculously windy!

    cheers <Ale>
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    Post by Tweesus Mon May 21, 2007 12:58 pm

    Manchester is pretty filthy in the centre - its got some good parts but a lot of Cr@p. Liverpool is nice in general - it has its rough areas but they seem to be hidden away more than in Machester Ale
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    Post by Machiavel Mon May 21, 2007 1:03 pm

    UEFA confirm Fandel to referee Athens final

    German referee Herbert Fandel will be in charge for Wednesday's Champions League final between AC Milan and Liverpool, European soccer's governing body UEFA confirmed on Monday.

    The 43-year-old German had been in the running for the final with Slovakia's Lubos Michel.

    Italian media have made much of the fact that Liverpool have not won with Fandel as their referee in three matches while Milan have won five matches out of five with the German in charge.

    UEFA said in a statement that it will be the first time that he has handled a game in Athens, adding, "he is no stranger to the two finalists."

    He has handled Milan five times, dating back to a 2-0 home win in the UEFA Cup against Hapoel Tel Aviv in March 2002. He then handled three 1-0 Champions League victories - against Club Bruges in November 2003; against Shakhtar Donetsk in September 2004 and at home to Manchester United in March 2005.

    This season, he was the referee of Milan's 4-1 win over Anderlecht at the San Siro -- which meant that he finally saw AC Milan concede a goal.

    Conversely he has never seen Liverpool score a goal. He handled their 2-0 defeat in Valencia in September 2002; the goalless draw away to Chelsea in December 2005; and the 1-0 home defeat by Barcelona at Anfield in March.

    He has officiated at 69 internationals after becoming an international referee in 1998.
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 1:46 pm

    Come on you red men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Post by Parks lives Mon May 21, 2007 1:51 pm

    Are you playing tonight?
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 1:52 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Are you playing tonight?

    Yep, I've got a 5 a side
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    Post by Murray Mon May 21, 2007 3:05 pm

    More drivel from Alan Hansen, talking out of his arse as usual.




    By Alan Hansen
    BBC Sport football expert

    History will count for nothing in the Champions League final in Athens on Wednesday.

    Kaka is a tremendously influential player for Milan. He is so talented but you can stifle him

    And AC Milan may be the favourites going into the showdown with Liverpool but that will not matter on the night either.

    It certainly did not make any difference to Liverpool when they made that astonishing comeback from 3-0 down to beat the Italians in the final in Istanbul two years ago.

    That was one of the greatest comebacks sport has seen - but it does not mean a thing this time round.

    The only difference it makes is that Liverpool have won five European Cups rather than four.

    Talk about that game and how Milan want revenge only comes into play in the build-up.

    If their players are getting caught up in all that and saying 'we have got to do this for 2005' then I think they have got a slight problem. Most of it will be paper talk though.

    There will be a lot of conjecture and rhetoric about the game before kick-off but these matches are always the same and it ends when you cross the white line.

    I played in four of those finals and every time I went on to the pitch I could not remember what was said before the game.

    It just does not come into the equation as far as the individual players are concerned because you are focusing so much on the game.

    The outcome is all about who plays well on the night.

    And Liverpool have obviously got to watch Kaka, who is a tremendously influential player for Milan. He is so talented - but you can stifle him.

    If you remember Istanbul, Kaka played magnificently in the first half but we never saw him in the second.

    Rino Gattuso will have a big role to play for Milan too.

    He is a fantastic player and when you look at him and Kaka then that combination is almost the perfect central-midfield partnership.


    Liverpool lift the European Cup after their victory in Istanbul in 2005
    Liverpool won two years ago with what was definitely an inferior side - they are much better now than they were then

    Gatusso has a never-say-die attitude and gets from box to box with endless energy. He will hustle, harry and close players down.

    He is also quite good on the ball too so, combined with Kaka's artistry, it is difficult to think of a better pairing.

    But then again they both played in 2005 and we saw what happened then.

    And Liverpool have got good players too - let's not forget about that. Steven Gerrard is as multi-talented as Kaka. lol! lol!






    I think Gerrard will start wide on the right, and Reds manager Rafa Benitez will be cautious, but that is the way he plays and it has stood him in good stead so far.

    I don't know how Liverpool are going to line up in the middle, apart from Gerrard, but Javier Mascherano has been a great buy for them and he should be even better next year.

    That midfield battle is going to be vital though.

    It is going to be all about whether Liverpool do manage to stop Kaka playing or whether Gattuso gets on top.

    That is the area of the game where it is going to be won and lost.

    And Liverpool won it two years ago with what was definitely an inferior side - they are much better now than they were then.

    The Premiership is all about using 18 or 19 players and that is why they have struggled domestically.

    But hopefully with George Gillett and Tom Hicks taking over, Rafa will have a war chest to go out over the summer and buy the players he needs to challenge for the title.

    And the most important thing for Rafa right now is that, with the best 11 players he can put out on the pitch, Liverpool can beat anybody.

    They have shown that by beating Barcelona and Chelsea over two legs and it won't be any different on Wednesday.

    Liverpool are going to win the Champions League final - I am absolutely 100% confident of that. lol! lol!
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    Post by Parks lives Mon May 21, 2007 3:07 pm

    I think his comment about Gattuso and Kaka being the idea central midfield pairing is the worst comment he makes.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon May 21, 2007 3:09 pm

    almost like pirlo and seedorf don´t exist and seedorf has been outstanding in the most recent ECL matches, such an arse.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon May 21, 2007 3:58 pm

    Murray wrote: I think Gerrard will start wide on the right,


    Murray wrote: I don't know how Liverpool are going to line up in the middle, apart from Gerrard

    Doh
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon May 21, 2007 3:59 pm

    PS - thanks for the new sig Murray!! Wink
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    Post by Murray Mon May 21, 2007 4:04 pm

    Roger Hunt wrote:PS - thanks for the new sig Murray!! Wink

    I didn't write it, it is from Alan Hansen's BBC column. Try reading it again.
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    Post by Guest Mon May 21, 2007 4:04 pm

    We're going to win!

    Milan management and players can say what they like. I have a good feeling about this.
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    Post by TM Mon May 21, 2007 4:06 pm

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/tm_headline=lifer-birds%26method=full%26objectid=19141827%26siteid=89520-name_page.html

    Any truth?
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 4:08 pm

    So Ferguson can say Milan will 100% win and can't be criticised yet when ex Liverpool player and Liverpool fan Alan hansen says Liverpool will 100% win it it's an awful comment?
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon May 21, 2007 4:09 pm

    Target Man wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/tm_headline=lifer-birds%26method=full%26objectid=19141827%26siteid=89520-name_page.html

    Any truth?

    this is what i said when i was told he was close to completing a new contract

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    defo see him leaving if he is dropped
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    Post by Murray Mon May 21, 2007 4:09 pm

    It's silly for anyone to say any team will 100% definitely win. In a one off game anything can happen.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon May 21, 2007 4:10 pm

    Luis wrote:So Ferguson can say Milan will 100% win and can't be criticised yet when ex Liverpool player and Liverpool fan Alan hansen says Liverpool will 100% win it it's an awful comment?
    he was criticised by many liverpool fans
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 4:10 pm

    If Alonso doesn't start there will be a few doubts over his future, but I expect alonso to stay
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 4:12 pm

    Interview with Xabi Alonso


    Does the fact you're in the Champions League final mean this has been a successful campaign?

    At the moment it has been a successful campaign but obviously finishing with this final means we have a massive motivation for the last game. Once we start the final we just want to play and win it, but we know it will be difficult.

    You must have been hugely impressed with AC Milan in their two semi-final matches. United were under strength but Milan played some terrific football didn't they?

    Especially in the second leg at the San Siro when Milan played really well. They were dynamic, playing with a very good tempo over the 90 minutes and they played much better than Manchester United. The final will be different and hopefully we will play the way we know.

    Everyone talks about Kaka but do you believe they are too reliant upon him because they don't seem to have the goal threat they did two years ago with Shevchenko and Crespo?

    They have different players but two years ago we conceded in the first minute and that broke the plan we had. They had space and Kaka played really well in the first half. We will try to make sure that doesn't happen again and do our plan the way we want.

    For the second half in Istanbul you changed tactics when Didi Hamann came on and you played a bit deeper. Do you think that's going to help you knowing now how to deal with Kaka?

    Yes. I think it's important not to let him have any space because that's when he plays very well and he is strong, quick and very gifted with the ball. If we don't allow him to play then we will have a lot of possibilities. We will have to be very compact in midfield and not give them a lot of space.

    Are Milan as strong as they were two years ago?

    To me they look really strong. They have a couple of different players but they haven't changed many things and they are still a very good team. Thinking about ourselves, I think we have improved as well and we have progressed in two seasons.

    What do you like most about Milan?

    I think they play as a team. They have experience and know what to do and have confidence in themselves. They are a really good team and have a good manager as well.

    They have a great balance in midfield and play a different game to Liverpool...

    Yes, they have a very powerful midfield with a lot of qualities. The playmaker is Pirlo in front of their defence and Kaka creates the chances. They have powerful players in Ambrosini and Gattuso who also do great defensive work. They have a really good and well balanced team but we have a good team as well and we will try to win.

    I think it's quite a level final and I can't see a clear favourite. You never know what is going to happen. I remember two years ago everybody was expecting a close final and there were a lot of goals scored so you never know what can happen.

    So what is your plan for the game?

    Well that's why we have been preparing in Spain for the match! That's something we will have to keep to ourselves.

    Because of what happened in 2005 this is being billed as a revenge final so that does put more pressure on you?

    No because I think that once you are playing in the final you can feel the pressure and you can handle it. It's like a revenge game for them but for us it's another final and a very good chance for us to lift another cup.

    What are your memories from that night?

    It's going to be unforgettable for a lot of us. I think in the history of football you won't see many finals like that. Going in at half time 3-0 down and then to score three goals in six second half minutes was just unbelievable but that's the past now and we have to look to the future.

    You do look to the future but you can't forget about what's happened...

    No I don't want to take that away as it's something we will keep in our memories forever. Right now, though, we are just thinking about May 23 and the final.

    Have you been paying attention to the likes of Sir Alex Ferguson who has been saying he's ready to celebrate with a bottle of wine for Milan?

    We'll see what happens. I'm not really bothered about what he will do, I'm more bothered about what we will be drinking when we hopefully win! We are just thinking about ourselves.

    Has the manager made it clear he doesn't fancy another penalty shoot-out this time?

    [Laughs] We would love to go to penalties if it finishes in the same way! Of course those kind of finals are stressful but that's Liverpool. I remember watching the final against Alaves as well and that was quite an exciting game. If it finished that way again I would be happy to suffer the penalties again.

    Joking apart, Liverpool are very good at winning games on penalties...

    We will practice as it's always important to be prepared. I remember in Istanbul Jerzy was a key player for us and now it could be Pepe. He practices in training and if we do reach penalties at the end in the final we will feel confident.

    Athens will be very similar to Istanbul in terms of the weather...

    Yes, that is something that is very different from England. It's going to be warm, the humidity is going to be high and it will be late at night but that's why we have been to Spain to acclimatise a bit better.

    Do you have a snapshot in your mind from Istanbul and do you remember the fans and the part they played?

    I remember a lot of things. It was really special to go out onto the pitch for the second half and to hear the fans singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' and that's when we felt we had the absolute support of the fans even though we were 3-0 down. It gave us a lift and it was a boost for the team and they played a really important role in that game. I'm pretty sure they will play another important role in Athens.

    We know there were a lot of Liverpool fans inside that stadium and there will be more than 17,000 in Athens won't there?

    I'm pretty sure of it because I remember in Istanbul half of the stadium were all Liverpool fans and in the Italian area there were a few Liverpool flags, so that's going to happen again. It's a shame what's happening with the tickets but there will be a big support for us.

    It was a magical night in Istanbul but is it important to learn from what went wrong because to be 3-0 down at the break must have been mentally well as physically draining for you?

    It was a great night but the first 45 minutes weren't very great! That's why we can't allow them to score as quickly as they did and we can't afford to make big mistakes. That's something we are working on and we will try not to repeat that.

    Rafa's made the point several times about the size of the squad and the need to rotate but how disappointing was it for you to be left out of the team for the semi-final?

    As players we want to play in the big games and the second leg here at Anfield was a big game. It's normal to be disappointed when you are left out of the team but when you are on the bench you have to support your teammates and be ready for when you come on. That's what happened and I was ready.

    I want to play in the final, we all want to play in the final. The manager has a decision to make but we will all have a part to play.
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    Post by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Mon May 21, 2007 4:13 pm

    Samba de Baiano wrote:If Milan win expect the tabloid journos to winge about how Milan shouldn't have been in the Champion's League because of the match-fixing scandal.

    Well, that sort of thing has already started.

    It reminds me of the World Cup:


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    The loophole that allowed Milan to take Athens road


    Calciopoli scandal should have resulted in the Rossoneri being barred from Europe this season

    Richard Williams
    Monday May 21, 2007
    The Guardian

    Pat Crerand believes the players of Milan should not be travelling to Athens this week in their attempt to gain revenge for their defeat by Liverpool in the Champions League final two years ago. To the former Manchester United and Scotland wing-half, the punishment inflicted on the Italian club for their part in last summer's referee-influencing scandal ought to have included their automatic disqualification from the competition, and he believes he has history on his side.

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    His mind goes back to a May night in 1969, when Milan arrived at Old Trafford for the second leg of the European Cup semi-final needing only to protect a 2-0 lead from the first leg at San Siro in order to dismiss the holders.

    United had pulled one goal back after 70 minutes, through Bobby Charlton, when Crerand hit a cross from the byline that his colleagues believed had been prodded over the line by Denis Law before Mario Anquilletti, Milan's right- back, scooped it back into play.

    "We knew it had crossed the line," Crerand said yesterday. "And even if it hadn't been a goal, it would have been a penalty because Anquilletti used his hand to pull it back. But the French referee saw nothing. We thought there was something going on."

    Indeed, Roger Machin, the official in question, waved away United's furious protests and allowed play to continue. He had already had to cope with a five-minute delay while Fabio Cudicini, Milan's goalkeeper, regained consciousness after being hit on the head by a missile thrown from the Stretford End.

    In Crerand's view, however, the official's refusal to allow a United equaliser was part of a dark and disturbing pattern that resulted, only last summer, in Milan being punished for an attempt to influence the selection of referees for their matches in the Italian league.

    "I don't think they should be in the final," said Crerand, who now works for Manchester United's TV station. "It's the top club competition in Europe and one of the teams shouldn't be there. I think it's unfair. Milan shouldn't be there the same way that West Ham shouldn't be in the Premier League. It doesn't send out a very good message to the rest of football, does it? And this wasn't a one-off in Italy. It's been going on for years. I think they were getting at the referees when I was playing, too. In the first leg in 1969 we had some funny decisions. And we certainly thought the same in the second leg."

    Crerand also mentioned the scandal of 1973, when Brian Clough's Derby County were denied a place in the European Cup final by a Juventus team whose general manager was later exposed, thanks to investigations by Brian Glanville of the Sunday Times, as having attempted to influence referees. The Golden Fix, as it became known, led to no serious investigation but its echoes were to be detected in scandals of later years.

    Milan's involvement in match-fixing goes back to 1980 and the Totonero investigation into a betting ring found them guilty of bribing players and officials. After finishing third the previous season, Milan were punished by being relegated to Serie B, along with Lazio. Their president, Felice Colombo, was given a life ban, while three players received disqualifications of between four years and six months.

    Last summer, Milan were implicated in the Calciopoli scandal, which began when phone-taps revealed the general manager of Juventus, Luciano Moggi, had been attempting to control the selection of officials for Serie A matches. Moggi's club suffered the harshest punishment, being stripped of their league title and relegated to Serie B, but Milan - along with Lazio and Fiorentina - were also found guilty of lesser charges.

    In Milan's case, their refeering liaison officer, a restaurateur from Lodi called Leonardo Meani, was said to have made incriminating phone calls, one of which was to Gennaro Mazzei, the Italian Football Association's [FIGC] head of linesmen, after Milan had lost 2-1 to Siena. Meani criticised the appointment of one linesman in forthright terms: "I don't want him. I never asked for him nor wanted him." And he added a request for their next match: "On Wednesday, try to send two intelligent ones."

    Although the charges were on a much smaller scale than those levelled against Moggi and Juventus, they were nevertheless enough to incur a retrospective deduction of 44 points from the total with which Milan had earned second place in Serie A in the 2005-06 season, plus an advance deduction of 15 points from the present season. On appeal, however, these were lowered to 30 points and eight respectively, the former being just enough to put them in third position, ensuring them a place in last August's qualifying round of the Champions League, while the latter made inclusion in next year's tournament a realistic ambition.

    For Juventus, being erased from the final table of the 2005-06 season meant they would automatically be excluded from the Champions League and many felt the same punishment should be inflicted on the other clubs involved in the scandal. At the headquarters of Uefa, however, it was discovered that the governing body's rules did not allow it to override the decisions of a national association. If the FIGC deemed Milan fit to represent them, there was nothing that could be done.

    "It was very simple," William Gaillard, Uefa's head of communications, told me. "Our executive committee could only take up the matter after the Italian sentences were confirmed, because there were many appeals. The Italian association sent us their list of clubs, which included Milan. Some of the committee had misgivings about the situation, but when we examined our statutes and regulations we saw that we could not do anything about it because, in matters such as this, the national association was sovereign.

    "The only possibility was to change our statutes, and that was done at our congress in Düsseldorf in January. Now we have the power to intervene. If a team has been game-fixing or affecting results, and if the case is sufficiently grave, Uefa will be able to exclude them."

    Welcome as the change may be, it came several months too late to exclude Milan from this year's competition, which they are now the bookmakers' favourites to win for a seventh time on Wednesday. And there are those, such as Crerand, who will find it difficult to take comfort from the knowledge that, at least on paper, things will be different in the future.

    "They're a smashing team, Milan, and maybe they didn't know what was going on," Crerand concluded. "Or would some of them have known? You'd have to ask them. Obviously the players want to win the top trophy, but if you do it unfairly, is it worth it?"
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    After a three and a half hour flight from Liverpool John Lennon airport, Rafael Benitez and his Champions League finalists touched down on Greek soil at 4pm local time this afternoon.

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    The Reds were then whisked away to their luxury base to step up preparations ahead of Wednesday night's clash with AC Milan at the Olympic Stadium.

    Benitez has no fresh injury worries ahead of the match, although Bolo Zenden remains a doubt after the knock he sustained in Spain last week.

    The Liverpool manager will give his final press conference ahead of the big game on Tuesday night and, of course, the club's official website will be there to report all the last minute thoughts of the boss as he looks to guide his side to another European trophy.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon May 21, 2007 4:30 pm

    Crerand is a legend, Forza.

    Very biased towards Man United though, which is part of his appeal on MUTV.
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    Will he be supporting liverpool now? Wink

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