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the REAL reason Why Germany Couldn't Win It!!!!!
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by christmasborocooper Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:23 pm
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SteveOoO wrote:Isar Truppe wrote:Tweedledum wrote:and Hip hop
Its not religion though, i can guarantee you that
Most intelligent people I know don't beleive in God, whereas most of the ignorant people I know do.
In fact the most religious person I know has married three times and is on the dole, put that in ypour pipe
Albert Einstein had one ambition in life and this ambition alienated him from all of his fellow scientists. This one ambition was "to find out why God put us on this planet".
The most intelligent man in recorded scientific memory acknowledging God.
Anyone who says "there is no God" is by definition...ignorant. It is an unfounded and unproven statement.
Belief is a strange gift. It's hard to define or substantiate it in words. And people without belief will ridicule you for yours. More often than not it is a subconcious act of jealousy.
You realise Einstein's belief in God made his later work completely useless?
Some of the other major scientists believed in God but didnt let it interfere with their science.
And you are going to have to find quotes for that Einstein thing anyway cos it sounds bs.
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc^2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
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by 72-76-80-96-08 Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:33 pm
incidentally, Isar is right in saying that religion does tend to have a CIVILIZING effect on society
problem in England is that the whole country worships at the shrine of mammon and suffers from a spiritual vacuum
is any other country in Europe as obsessed with celebrities/ money/gossip as England ???
problem in England is that the whole country worships at the shrine of mammon and suffers from a spiritual vacuum
is any other country in Europe as obsessed with celebrities/ money/gossip as England ???
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No. No other country in Europe, though I'm sure we can all name one over the Atlantic that is.
Apparently over 70% of youngsters nowadays aspire more than anything else to be 'famous'
Send them off to borarding school and lock 'em all up i say!
Apparently over 70% of youngsters nowadays aspire more than anything else to be 'famous'
Send them off to borarding school and lock 'em all up i say!
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by 72-76-80-96-08 Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:48 pm
Tweedledum wrote:
Apparently over 70% of youngsters nowadays aspire more than anything else to be 'famous'
that's exactly what I am talking about
"Aspiration in life": BEING FAMOUS
it's SAD
these kids have no idea of what is important in life; they don't need disicpline, they need a moral dimension, some perspective
there was an interesting survey the other day , asking European citizens what their favourite weekend activity would be
the Germans answered : "Spending time with your family"
the English answered: " getting drunk"
the Czechs answered: " looking for mushrooms in the forest"
an Anglo-German couple would presumably get drunk as a family, whereas a Czech-English couple would look for magic mushrooms to get high, before getting pissed
only a German-Czech family would have a nice day out in the forest, followed by a nice mushroom meal
you can blame those church-bells, but it's the best option of the above
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by Ricardo Jol Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:52 pm
SteveOoO wrote:ricardojol wrote:France is one of the Best "mixed" nations of Europe...
The only problem with France is that their economy is OLD and rigid so many poor immigrants (mostly very mixed) cannot get a (proper) job. That's not the case in the UK because the economy is far more modern!
Another point is, that in the UK mostly better educated people immigrate to. When they don't get a job they build their own economy!
But it is not mixed!!!!
BTW
Segregation and racism is not the same!
What do you mean it is not mixed? Poor immigrants tend to group in the same areas, just as they do in every country, but I mix with a lot of people who are from Asian families and there were a ton of middle eastern kids at my 6thform college (Iranians doing physics!).
France is regarded as having severe problems with integration, even by the French. Germany has had riots against Turks and they are not that well integrated in places (like here I guess). Netherlands probably more integrated than anywhere but recently that has shown not to be the case with Muslims, just like in Britain, France and Germany.
If you don't think people mix in the UK you need to get out more, seriously.
Segregation is caused by racism you nutter.
@Tweedle and Steveo…
I am not saying things are going "fantastic" in those countries (and also NOT in the Netherlands)
A few examples of non-mixture in the UK…
Thousands of Somalian-Dutch went a few years ALL to Leicester because in the Netherlands they had to integrate while in England they could join their own groups because the (local) government didn't "force" them to integrate. They are now living altogether in a very segregated place called Leicester.
In Amsterdam loads of British tourists are come over every day and the remarkable thing is if you really look at those groups they are ALL the same.... On the one side you see a group of Asians and the other side you see a group of UK origins...You hardly see any mixed groups.... Especially when you compare them with with North-Americans it is very much NOT mixed... But also French are better mixed...
My Aussie ex-girlfriend lived for years in London but she had no British friends up there. Most of them were Australians, a few South Africans and a few Dutchies, or Turkish- and Moroccan-Dutchies (she met because of me).
It was not necessary to have English (British) friends because there are tons of Aussies but also she found it hard to mixed with the arrogant English (her words, not mine of course
)I don’t think racism and segregation is the same because racism is more that you “hate” or “disrespect” another culture, segregation IMO is not (always) because of hate or disrespect…
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Hardrada wrote:SteveOoO wrote:Isar Truppe wrote:Tweedledum wrote:and Hip hop
Its not religion though, i can guarantee you that
Most intelligent people I know don't beleive in God, whereas most of the ignorant people I know do.
In fact the most religious person I know has married three times and is on the dole, put that in ypour pipe
Albert Einstein had one ambition in life and this ambition alienated him from all of his fellow scientists. This one ambition was "to find out why God put us on this planet".
The most intelligent man in recorded scientific memory acknowledging God.
Anyone who says "there is no God" is by definition...ignorant. It is an unfounded and unproven statement.
Belief is a strange gift. It's hard to define or substantiate it in words. And people without belief will ridicule you for yours. More often than not it is a subconcious act of jealousy.
You realise Einstein's belief in God made his later work completely useless?
Some of the other major scientists believed in God but didnt let it interfere with their science.
And you are going to have to find quotes for that Einstein thing anyway cos it sounds bs.
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc^2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
You do realise that all his later work was a complete failure because of the 'god doesn't play dice'?
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@ ricardo
You bring up the fact that your sister didn't meet any British people whilst in London.
Thats because most people in London aren't British - I don't have any Dutch or Australian friends but its not a sign of a segregated society - its more a split between jobs.
Most British people have long term jobs whereas people coming over here to work for one year say will get a job in a shop/café thus not mixing with many 'Brits'.
What I will say is that I have a lot of french friends though - ones that have lived in London for a few years and I also have some Portugese friends.
But your point doesn't show segregation, and London is certainly a lot better than ANY other city I've been to
You bring up the fact that your sister didn't meet any British people whilst in London.
Thats because most people in London aren't British - I don't have any Dutch or Australian friends but its not a sign of a segregated society - its more a split between jobs.
Most British people have long term jobs whereas people coming over here to work for one year say will get a job in a shop/café thus not mixing with many 'Brits'.
What I will say is that I have a lot of french friends though - ones that have lived in London for a few years and I also have some Portugese friends.
But your point doesn't show segregation, and London is certainly a lot better than ANY other city I've been to
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by Ricardo Jol Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:06 pm
I just gave just a FEW of the many examples...
You don't even know where she worked and you make a conclusion... strange!
It is unbelievable HOW you live in your own world without looking outside...!
You don't even know where she worked and you make a conclusion... strange!
It is unbelievable HOW you live in your own world without looking outside...!
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by SteveOoO Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:06 pm
ricardojol wrote:SteveOoO wrote:ricardojol wrote:France is one of the Best "mixed" nations of Europe...
The only problem with France is that their economy is OLD and rigid so many poor immigrants (mostly very mixed) cannot get a (proper) job. That's not the case in the UK because the economy is far more modern!
Another point is, that in the UK mostly better educated people immigrate to. When they don't get a job they build their own economy!
But it is not mixed!!!!
BTW
Segregation and racism is not the same!
What do you mean it is not mixed? Poor immigrants tend to group in the same areas, just as they do in every country, but I mix with a lot of people who are from Asian families and there were a ton of middle eastern kids at my 6thform college (Iranians doing physics!).
France is regarded as having severe problems with integration, even by the French. Germany has had riots against Turks and they are not that well integrated in places (like here I guess). Netherlands probably more integrated than anywhere but recently that has shown not to be the case with Muslims, just like in Britain, France and Germany.
If you don't think people mix in the UK you need to get out more, seriously.
Segregation is caused by racism you nutter.
@Tweedle and Steveo…
I am not saying things are going "fantastic" in those countries (and also NOT in the Netherlands)
A few examples of non-mixture in the UK…
Thousands of Somalian-Dutch went a few years ALL to Leicester because in the Netherlands they had to integrate while in England they could join their own groups because the (local) government didn't "force" them to integrate. They are now living altogether in a very segregated place called Leicester.
In Amsterdam loads of British tourists are come over every day and the remarkable thing is if you really look at those groups they are ALL the same.... On the one side you see a group of Asians and the other side you see a group of UK origins...You hardly see any mixed groups.... Especially when you compare them with with North-Americans it is very much NOT mixed... But also French are better mixed...
My Aussie ex-girlfriend lived for years in London but she had no British friends up there. Most of them were Australians, a few South Africans and a few Dutchies, or Turkish- and Moroccan-Dutchies (she met because of me).
It was not necessary to have English (British) friends because there are tons of Aussies but also she found it hard to mixed with the arrogant English (her words, not mine of course
I don’t think racism and segregation is the same because racism is more that you “hate” or “disrespect” another culture, segregation IMO is not (always) because of hate or disrespect…
I was at Uni in Leicester last year and you are talkin crap, its like any other city with a vast immigrant population, I had quite a few female muslim friends though only knew 1 male muslim (the others didnt really go out much so they kept in their own groups).
50% of Leicester is white and the other 50% is mostly asian, and while the majority of the whites live in the richer areas (which isnt segregation, its called economics) its not like white and asian people don't mix. The biggest divide was mainly musical, in the rock and indy clubs it was mostly white kids and students where as in hiphop and rnb clubs its nearly all asian with a few black and white people.
Dance and mainstream was a mix of both.
Immigrants tend to mix with immigrants as well because they have a lot in common. My brother lives in Amsterdam but has a load of Aussie, British, Irish and American friends. Its natural that you gravitate towards similar people to you.
London is also the most multicultural city in Europe. Maybe Amsterdam is as well but it depends what you judge it on.
I'd also be shocked if youd ever even been to London.
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by Ricardo Jol Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:12 pm
@Steveo
The French case you called "unmixed" but in Britian it is called economics... funny
... You gave the same problem two different names...
or.... the other group didn't want to go out...
I call that NOT mixed as well...
People rather meet people from their own culture....
I also call that UNMIXED....
The French case you called "unmixed" but in Britian it is called economics... funny
... You gave the same problem two different names... or.... the other group didn't want to go out...
I call that NOT mixed as well...
People rather meet people from their own culture....
I also call that UNMIXED....
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by Hardrada Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:16 pm
SteveOoO wrote:
You do realise that all his later work was a complete failure because of the 'god doesn't play dice'?
I wasn't commenting. You asked for proof of the quotations because you thought they sounded like "bs", so I felt I should provide said proof.
I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about here, I assume you are referring to something to do with Heisenberg's uncertainty principal and quantum mechanics ? As in, this contradicts the idea of God not "playing dice" i.e. there not being so much unpredictability.
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by SteveOoO Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:17 pm
ricardojol wrote:@Steveo
The French case you called "unmixed" but in Britian it is called economics... funny
or.... the other group didn't want to go out...
I call that NOT mixed as well...
People rather meet people from their own culture....
I also call that UNMIXED....
That is their culture, there are white people who didnt want to go out either, as I said there were plenty of sociable muslims... if you are going to be a complete fuckwit and ignore everything I said (and I know it must have hurt you to actualy talk to someone whos lived in 'THAT PLACE CALLED LEICESTER!!!!!' as you put it) then I'm done talking to you.
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by SteveOoO Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:20 pm
Hardrada wrote:SteveOoO wrote:
You do realise that all his later work was a complete failure because of the 'god doesn't play dice'?
I wasn't commenting. You asked for proof of the quotations because you thought they sounded like "bs", so I felt I should provide said proof.
I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about here, I assume you are referring to something to do with Heisenberg's uncertainty principal and quantum mechanics ? As in, this contradicts the idea of God not "playing dice" i.e. there not being so much unpredictability.
He made all his major discoveries in his youth, when he was famous he didn't actualy do anything worthwhile. He rejected quantum mechanics, which he had essentially birthed, because of the 'god doesn't play dice', which made his later work useless, where as his peers (like Plank who he had that argument with) went on to further discoveries and left him behind.
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by Ricardo Jol Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:24 pm
@Steveo
This makes the discussion even more interesting, mate... Please, don't get wind up!
But still, the example was on about the segegrated eras.The Local governments policy is based on "make the immigrants feel at home" "so lets put them alltogether"
This is segregation politics...
This makes the discussion even more interesting, mate... Please, don't get wind up!
But still, the example was on about the segegrated eras.The Local governments policy is based on "make the immigrants feel at home" "so lets put them alltogether"
This is segregation politics...
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by SteveOoO Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:29 pm
ricardojol wrote:@Steveo
This makes the discussion even more interested, mate... Please, don't get wound up!
But still, the example was on about the segegrated eras.The Local governments policy is based on "make the immigrants feel at home" "so lets put them alltogether"
This is segregation politics...
Im not sure if you just have a poor grasp of English (which is fine) or are a fucking idiot. That is not segregation, and peopel chose to live together because they feel safer/happier when they migrate and live with their community.
You are just ignorant, so whats the point if you are not willing to accept new ideas?
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by Ricardo Jol Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:36 pm
First, it is not new politics. In the Netherlands they had this policy as well in the seventies and eighties but they changed that policy for several reasons...
Second, I didn't give an opinion about it whether it is good or bad...So I don't understand why you are getting angry with me. I just tried to explain your point of England "the very mixed" country is not as mixed as you said above. That's all!
Second, I didn't give an opinion about it whether it is good or bad...So I don't understand why you are getting angry with me. I just tried to explain your point of England "the very mixed" country is not as mixed as you said above. That's all!
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by Ricardo Jol Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:04 pm
borocooper wrote:Ricardo...talking shit?
no way...
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Ricardo, do you live in England? Because thats the only reason you can comment.
FYI the BNP party is only popular in about two areas of Britain - both in the north - UNLIKE France, Germany and Austria whose NP parties are at large and have many seats in parliament.
And your whole segregation comments are complete bullshit - I've lived in Leeds, Manchester and London and never have I seen segregation of races - however, I've been to Marseille and there there is HUGE segregation.
So your comments are completely unfounded - just opinions at the end of the day, and wrong ones at that
FYI the BNP party is only popular in about two areas of Britain - both in the north - UNLIKE France, Germany and Austria whose NP parties are at large and have many seats in parliament.
And your whole segregation comments are complete bullshit - I've lived in Leeds, Manchester and London and never have I seen segregation of races - however, I've been to Marseille and there there is HUGE segregation.
So your comments are completely unfounded - just opinions at the end of the day, and wrong ones at that
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by SteveOoO Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:54 pm
ricardojol wrote:First, it is not new politics. In the Netherlands they had this policy as well in the seventies and eighties but they changed that policy for several reasons...
Second, I didn't give an opinion about it whether it is good or bad...So I don't understand why you are getting angry with me. I just tried to explain your point of England "the very mixed" country is not as mixed as you said above. That's all!
You obviously dont know what the word means, you speak very poor English for a Dutch guy.
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He seems to speak fine English to me Steve. If you don't agree with his definition of segregation, well that's fine, but try not to make comments like that mate.
If he's wrong, then he's wrong, but don't put into question his actual capablity to use the language.
If he's wrong, then he's wrong, but don't put into question his actual capablity to use the language.
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by Ricardo Jol Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:38 am
SteveOoO wrote:ricardojol wrote:First, it is not new politics. In the Netherlands they had this policy as well in the seventies and eighties but they changed that policy for several reasons...
Second, I didn't give an opinion about it whether it is good or bad...So I don't understand why you are getting angry with me. I just tried to explain your point of England "the very mixed" country is not as mixed as you said above. That's all!
You obviously dont know what the word means, you speak very poor English for a Dutch guy.
I agree with you, my English was/is poor (I also saw, you made quite a lot of mistakes
). It was because I was quite tired and on the other hand I am not the most linguistic person in this world! One reason I am here is to improve my English so I am very pleased you look very critical at my English. But, don't call me a fool only because of that! You can't call me a fool either because I try to look at the British society from a different angle. I obviously do know what the word means; only the interpretation of the word is different from yours.
It is also funny to see how the "liberal" Englishman tries to put me in the "stupid" Johnny Foreigner category. We über-English know better...
I am beginning to understand where that segregation comes from....
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I can't believe there is an argument going on whether religious or non-religious people are generally more intelligent.
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by Ricardo Jol Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:13 am
toon h wrote:I can't believe there is an argument going on whether religious or non-religious people are generally more intelligent.
You are very right. That's indeed a very stupid discussion! Generally "radical atheists" believe they are more intelligent because the stupid believers are not well developed enough to understand there is no God! On the other way around "radical religious" people say exactly the same. Non-believers are not intelligent enough to understand that there is a God...
It seems to be that both people are blinded living in their own segregated community...
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by Axeslammer Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:14 am
toon h wrote:I can't believe there is an argument going on whether religious or non-religious people are generally more intelligent.
You won't hear me on that one, I do have an opinion about those involved in the discussion about it though
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toon h wrote:I can't believe there is an argument going on whether religious or non-religious people are generally more intelligent.
especially since it is a proven fact by the Catholic church that Catholic people are much more intelligent on average than non-Catholics.
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by chrissicross Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:16 am
toon h wrote:toon h wrote:I can't believe there is an argument going on whether religious or non-religious people are generally more intelligent.
especially since it is a proven fact by the Catholic church that Catholic people are much more intelligent on average than non-Catholics.
Being a Catholic I can of course nothing but agree with this thesis...
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by Axeslammer Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:26 am
chrissicross wrote:toon h wrote:toon h wrote:I can't believe there is an argument going on whether religious or non-religious people are generally more intelligent.
especially since it is a proven fact by the Catholic church that Catholic people are much more intelligent on average than non-Catholics.
Being a Catholic I can of course nothing but agree with this thesis...
That's no thesis, it's a dogma (that's where the real strength of the church lies)
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by chrissicross Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:41 am
A dogma is even better than a thesis...Axeslammer ! wrote:chrissicross wrote:toon h wrote:toon h wrote:I can't believe there is an argument going on whether religious or non-religious people are generally more intelligent.
especially since it is a proven fact by the Catholic church that Catholic people are much more intelligent on average than non-Catholics.
Being a Catholic I can of course nothing but agree with this thesis...
That's no thesis, it's a dogma (that's where the real strength of the church lies)
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by SteveOoO Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:28 pm
toon h wrote:I can't believe there is an argument going on whether religious or non-religious people are generally more intelligent.
The argument is whether Germany should issue a public apology for Diesler's haircut. Im just proposing we cut off all international relations untill they do.
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