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    Post by Super Progress Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:21 am

    People are raving about His Ruudness, Becks and the band of characters that are on the edge of bringing a European giant back to glory. But lost in the mix is the one man that has been a constant beacon throughout these times of darkness.

    I constantly hear about Cristiano Rolando and Kaká for FIFA Player of the Year. Do they deserve, hell yes!!! But there should be one player that needs to be considered or at least be put in that list come the end of the year.

    His performances since he came in for an injured César Sánchez in that memorable 2002 Champions League final has made him arguably the greatest Merengue of the past decade. Yes, he knocked off the untouchable Raúl from his pedestal and the Madrid faithful must accept that and give him that type of appreciation as without him the team would have crashed to complete oblivion- something that not even their beloved number seven could have avoided.
    San Iker deserves a statue next to players like Di Stefano, Puskas, Juanito, Butragueño, Michel, Sánchez, Illgner, Arconada, among many, many, many others. His status as idol should be secured not for the titles that he has won (yes he has on titles) and for what he did during the good times. His status should be secure based on what he did when he was surrounded by the greatest fantasy football squad that this generation could have assembled. As much as Madrid´s Galáctico policy is part of ancient history, but it did see the emergence of arguably the greatest goalkeeper of the past 10 years.

    Iker Casillas has kept Madrid afloat in these four years of darkness. His superhuman efforts and legendary perfomances allowed he madridistas to actually dream and be frustrated at the lack of silverware.

    The recent talk about how Beckham and Roberto Carlos rising from the ashes, Ruud Van Nistelrooy taking up the slack up front, and a different hero showing up every weekend during this magical run got Iker lost in the shuffle. Remember when Iker was the guy that kept them in games in which they had no business being in? Yeah, those days when Madrid were literally Cr@p and any mention of performances like the latest ones would lead to insinuations of heavy drug use.

    Look, I am not a proponent of having a goalkeeper be your best player; but the reality is that kept him in La Liga. Any player that can carry a team for three-quarters of a season while he waits for the cavalry to wake up is worthy of at least some type of mention for awards internationally. Besides that, Casillas should start to be mentioned in the same breath as the Schumachers, Schmeichels, Chilaverts, Fillols, Maiers, and Shiltons of the world. Yeah as a player that redefined his position and was able to help his team back to greatness. This is why if he does not end up in the Top 5 in both Spanish and World Player of the Year, travesty would be putting it lightly.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:56 am

    Great, Great Keeper - the Billionaire's Shay Given ok

    Lacks the all round commanding presence of Buffon & Cech though.
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    Post by Torrente Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:57 am

    After Buffon, Casillas is definitely the best goalie in the world. I would put Buffon slightly ahead due to the way he commands his penalty area, even though Casillas is a better shot stopper. His reflexes are second to none, and the fact that he has not suffered a heart attack after having to play in front of something that barely even qualifies as a "defence" for so many years warrants an award itself.

    And the greatest thing is that he's only 26 so he hasn't even peaked yet and we still have him for at least another 8 seasons Ale
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    Post by S4P Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:03 pm

    Forgive me for maybe being biased, but Cech is the best goalkeeper in the world, followed by these 2 (Buffon & Casillas).

    Those who watch the EPL every week will see the number of tremendous saves Cech pulls off, the number of points we win because of Cech. His injury played a huge role in us not winning the title last season.

    As for Casillas, definitely a very underrated goalkeeper. Ale
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:05 pm

    I'm with S4P on this one - at present cech is the world's best keeper ok
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:07 pm

    S4P2 wrote:

    As for Casillas, definitely a very underrated goalkeeper. Ale

    affraid

    Agree on Cech.
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    Post by Rez Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:08 pm

    I think Casillas is the best shot stoper in the world, he has saved Real over the years, so many times. At some points he has played without any defenders (well good defenders) in front of him.
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    Post by S4P Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:10 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    S4P2 wrote:

    As for Casillas, definitely a very underrated goalkeeper. Ale

    affraid

    Agree on Cech.

    Casillas is in the top 5 keepers in Europe imo, but gets very little praise (particularly from non-Madrid fans).
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:11 pm

    Casillas is no1 in the World Ale
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:12 pm

    S4P2 wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:
    S4P2 wrote:

    As for Casillas, definitely a very underrated goalkeeper. Ale

    affraid

    Agree on Cech.

    Casillas is in the top 5 keepers in Europe imo, but gets very little praise (particularly from non-Madrid fans).

    He gets more praise than any keeper.
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    Post by S4P Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:13 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    S4P2 wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:
    S4P2 wrote:

    As for Casillas, definitely a very underrated goalkeeper. Ale

    affraid

    Agree on Cech.

    Casillas is in the top 5 keepers in Europe imo, but gets very little praise (particularly from non-Madrid fans).

    He gets more praise than any keeper.

    Maybe I'm not as observant as I thought I was. Ale
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    Post by TM Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:14 pm

    mihawkavelli wrote:Casillas is no1 in the World Ale


    Ale

    Without him we'd be struggling for UEFA cup places.
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    Post by S4P Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:16 pm

    Target Man SSK wrote:
    mihawkavelli wrote:Casillas is no1 in the World Ale


    Ale

    Without him we'd be struggling for UEFA cup places.

    Just because he has played behind a poor defence doesn't necessarily make him the no.1 in the world though.

    I'm sure that if you had put Cech or Buffon (and possibly VDS, Lehmann on their form this season) in that team they would have done just as well.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:20 pm

    But having a poor defence would make the GK do more of a job (has far more testing times) and show what he is capable , this in return has made Casillas one of the best , if not the best.
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    Post by Torrente Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:25 pm

    S4P2 wrote:Forgive me for maybe being biased, but Cech is the best goalkeeper in the world, followed by these 2 (Buffon & Casillas).

    Those who watch the EPL every week will see the number of tremendous saves Cech pulls off, the number of points we win because of Cech. His injury played a huge role in us not winning the title last season.

    As for Casillas, definitely a very underrated goalkeeper. Ale

    I disagree. Cech's aren't as good as Casillas' saves. I've seen plenty of Cech and he just hasn't made the type of jaw-dropping saves that Casillas makes on a regular basis. Casillas' reflexes are second to none, and he can change directions unbelievably quick.

    You mention the number of points Cech has saved you, but that's an area where you don't want to go, since anyone who watches La Liga knows that Casillas saves Madrid an unbelievable number of points every single season.
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    Post by Torrente Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:28 pm

    S4P2 wrote:
    Target Man SSK wrote:
    mihawkavelli wrote:Casillas is no1 in the World Ale


    Ale

    Without him we'd be struggling for UEFA cup places.

    Just because he has played behind a poor defence doesn't necessarily make him the no.1 in the world though.

    I'm sure that if you had put Cech or Buffon (and possibly VDS, Lehmann on their form this season) in that team they would have done just as well.

    How can you be "sure"? You can only assume. In the end it comes down to the fact that Casillas has saved Madrid an incredible number of points playing with a horrible defense, while Cech and Buffon have had the advantage of playing in very defensive teams, where they don't have to make nearly as many saves. And please, Van Der Sar and Lehman? Laugh That's just taking it way too far.

    I do admit Buffon is better than Casillas though, because he has shown that he can be an unbelievable shot stopper as well. However, Cech is definitely significantly behind these two in the shot-stopping department.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:30 pm

    Hey , Torrente !

    There is nothing wrong with van der Sar ! Evil or Very Mad
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    Post by TM Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:31 pm

    Yeah, playing with a team with a defensive mentality helps both Cech and Buffon.

    They don't make the half the number of saves San Iker Casillas has to make.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:35 pm

    Are you two kidding?

    You think making saves is the only area a Keeper needs to excel in.
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    Post by Torrente Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:36 pm

    mihawkavelli wrote:Hey , Torrente !

    There is nothing wrong with van der Sar ! Evil or Very Mad

    Don't get me wrong, Van Der Sar has been one of the best goalies of the last 20 years, no doubt about that. But he simply cannot be compared to Casillas at this stage. Van Der Sar makes too many mistakes nowadays and not enough great saves like he used to. This is understandable given his age. I think that the lack of great goalies in the Premiership makes Van Der Sar seem better to a lot of English people than he actually is at the moment.
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    Post by Rez Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:36 pm

    I think if you watched Madrid play, you would realise how good he is. He has to pull of about 4 match winning saves a game. I think as a shot stopper he is the best in the world.
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    Post by Torrente Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:38 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Are you two kidding?

    You think making saves is the only area a Keeper needs to excel in.

    Didn't I say that I rated Buffon higher than Casillas precisely because he commands his area better even though Casillas is the better shot-stopper?

    And besides, it's not like Casillas is Cr@p at crosses or anything. That used to be a weakness but he's improved a lot in this area in the last 3 seasons.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:39 pm

    But the only comparison you made between Cech and Casillas is saves.

    I'd say Cech is a much better all rounder, even if Casillas is a better shot stopper.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:40 pm

    Torrente wrote:
    mihawkavelli wrote:Hey , Torrente !

    There is nothing wrong with van der Sar ! Evil or Very Mad

    Don't get me wrong, Van Der Sar has been one of the best goalies of the last 20 years, no doubt about that. But he simply cannot be compared to Casillas at this stage. Van Der Sar makes too many mistakes nowadays and not enough great saves like he used to. This is understandable given his age. I think that the lack of great goalies in the Premiership makes Van Der Sar seem better to a lot of English people than he actually is at the moment.

    He has one more international tournament in him , lets just hope for his sake he gives one more 'hurrah'.
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    Post by TM Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:43 pm

    Parks lives wrote:But the only comparison you made between Cech and Casillas is saves.

    I'd say Cech is a much better all rounder, even if Casillas is a better shot stopper.

    What aspects do of Cechs game do you think are better than Casillas?
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:45 pm

    His commanding of the box, his dealing with crosses (a big advantage is his height).

    Also when watching Casillas alot of things just bounce off him and can finish anywhere. With Cech I think he's better at clearing the ball away.
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    Post by Torrente Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:45 pm

    Parks lives wrote:But the only comparison you made between Cech and Casillas is saves.

    I'd say Cech is a much better all rounder, even if Casillas is a better shot stopper.

    If that's your opinion, that's fine. But I disagree.

    I think Casillas is better when the offside trap fails because he's quicker off his line. I think Casillas is much better at shot-stopping. Also, I think Casillas is better on one-on-ones and penalties, which are also very important areas.

    Yes, Cech is better in crosses and commanding the penalty area, but to me this doesn't make him the better goalie overall.
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    Post by Rez Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:46 pm

    mihawkavelli wrote:
    Torrente wrote:
    mihawkavelli wrote:Hey , Torrente !

    There is nothing wrong with van der Sar ! Evil or Very Mad

    Don't get me wrong, Van Der Sar has been one of the best goalies of the last 20 years, no doubt about that. But he simply cannot be compared to Casillas at this stage. Van Der Sar makes too many mistakes nowadays and not enough great saves like he used to. This is understandable given his age. I think that the lack of great goalies in the Premiership makes Van Der Sar seem better to a lot of English people than he actually is at the moment.

    He has one more international tournament in him , lets just hope for his sake he gives one more 'hurrah'.

    VDS is past it, in my opinion, he is too old now and makes too many mistakes.
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    Post by Torrente Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:47 pm

    mihawkavelli wrote:
    Torrente wrote:
    mihawkavelli wrote:Hey , Torrente !

    There is nothing wrong with van der Sar ! Evil or Very Mad

    Don't get me wrong, Van Der Sar has been one of the best goalies of the last 20 years, no doubt about that. But he simply cannot be compared to Casillas at this stage. Van Der Sar makes too many mistakes nowadays and not enough great saves like he used to. This is understandable given his age. I think that the lack of great goalies in the Premiership makes Van Der Sar seem better to a lot of English people than he actually is at the moment.

    He has one more international tournament in him , lets just hope for his sake he gives one more 'hurrah'.

    I would be happy for him if he did, but with Van Basten as coach I don't see Holland going very far, though hopefully that won't be the case.
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    Post by TM Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:49 pm

    Parks lives wrote:His commanding of the box, his dealing with crosses (a big advantage is his height).

    Also when watching Casillas alot of things just bounce off him and can finish anywhere. With Cech I think he's better at clearing the ball away.

    We will all have our own opinions, mine will be swayed as i watch Iker week in week out.

    Casillas has improved on crosses over the past 2 seasons, no longer a weakeness, both him and Cech tend up punch rather than catch.

    As far as commanding the box goes, Cech and Buffon are much better at that, Casillas tends to do so, but has a bunch of imbeciles infront of him.

    About bouncing balls goes, it's important for the keeper to get in the way first.

    Something that hasn't been dicussed is multiple saves, some Casillas is an expert in, i can't remember who the opposition was (Sevilla?), Casillas made a triple save from round about 10 yards from the goal. ok

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