The Greatest… In Spain At Least

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Torrente wrote:

mihawkavelli wrote:

Torrente wrote:

mihawkavelli wrote:Hey , Torrente !

There is nothing wrong with van der Sar !

Don't get me wrong, Van Der Sar has been one of the best goalies of the last 20 years, no doubt about that. But he simply cannot be compared to Casillas at this stage. Van Der Sar makes too many mistakes nowadays and not enough great saves like he used to. This is understandable given his age. I think that the lack of great goalies in the Premiership makes Van Der Sar seem better to a lot of English people than he actually is at the moment.

He has one more international tournament in him , lets just hope for his sake he gives one more 'hurrah'.

I would be happy for him if he did, but with Van Basten as coach I don't see Holland going very far, though hopefully that won't be the case.

offtopic: van Basten knows his mistakes and solutions are not hard to solve , if hes not in charge in 2008 things could be more easy

@ Rez

van der Sar did well in the first half of last season , the mistakes which were highlighted (v Roma away , Pompey away) did not damage the team in the long term , don't forget his match winning saves against Liverpool at Anfield from Crouch and Fulham away , plus that pen save against City.

Foster will challenge him for the no1 spot no doubt.

Not next season, now he's injured.

vdS is good for one more season.

Torrente wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Are you two kidding?

You think making saves is the only area a Keeper needs to excel in.

Didn't I say that I rated Buffon higher than Casillas precisely because he commands his area better even though Casillas is the better shot-stopper?

And besides, it's not like Casillas is Cr@p at crosses or anything. That used to be a weakness but he's improved a lot in this area in the last 3 seasons.

Cech commands the areas as well as Buffon + makes better reflex saves than Buffon.

Cech>>all

Tweedle wrote:

Torrente wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Are you two kidding?

You think making saves is the only area a Keeper needs to excel in.

Didn't I say that I rated Buffon higher than Casillas precisely because he commands his area better even though Casillas is the better shot-stopper?

And besides, it's not like Casillas is Cr@p at crosses or anything. That used to be a weakness but he's improved a lot in this area in the last 3 seasons.

Cech commands the areas as well as Buffon + makes better reflex saves than Buffon.

Cech has been consistent for 3 years now, whereas Casillas has been for 8.

If we're talking about consistency then Buffon pwns.

@ waft

Take your head out of Juve's arse for a second and look at it from a neutral perspective

I still think Gigi is the best, then Cech & Casillas.

The Italian, for me, has all the commanding presence of Cech, and for a big man, his reflexes are comparable to that of a smaller keeper like Casillas or a peak Barthez... his side to side movement is absolutely incredible...

Plus He had the pressure of that frankly insane price tag being put on him at a young age, and he responded brilliantly.

One thing about Cech - he absolutely sucks when it comes to saving penalites... Buffon & Casillas are more than decent at this

I'm am neutral in that I do not care, however, the more posts of yours I read, the less I think you know about football.

I don't have my head up anything or anyone, Buffon is far and away the best goalkeeper in the world.

I'm sure it's very hard keeping out second rate strikers in Serie B

a polluted stream is man wrote:I'm am neutral in that I do not care, however, the more posts of yours I read, the less I think you know about football.

funny then that on football issues you're regarded as one of the most clueless on here.

The more I read on of your posts, the more I believe that you, in fact, no nothing about football

Nice to see you had to resort to personal digs to prove your point though - rather than providing an assessment like everyone else has

Tweedle wrote:

a polluted stream is man wrote:I'm am neutral in that I do not care, however, the more posts of yours I read, the less I think you know about football.

funny then that on football issues you're regarded as one of the most clueless on here.

The more I read on of your posts, the more I believe that you, in fact, no nothing about football

Nice to see you had to resort to personal digs to prove your point though - rather than providing an assessment like everyone else has

Personal digs? Get a grip.

You always do it waft - you insult someone personally. Usually its their knowledge of football or their intelligence.

It doesn't work well on a football forum - after all, its not as though people will have a poor knowledge of football - I have been watching it pretty much non-stop for about 20 years y'know

Its called difference of opinion - nothing to do whatsoever with a lack of football knowledge

Torrente wrote:

I disagree. Cech's aren't as good as Casillas' saves. I've seen plenty of Cech and he just hasn't made the type of jaw-dropping saves that Casillas makes on a regular basis.

:yikes:

Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_LzJClZqM&mode=related&search

(I like the one at 3:20 the most)

That's only his first season (04-05).

TeamSpirit wrote:
One thing about Cech - he absolutely sucks when it comes to saving penalites... Buffon & Casillas are more than decent at this

They are better than him at saving penalties, but he pulls of some saves that Casillas and Buffon wouldn't get to, simply because they're not as tall as him.

How many of these amazing saves does Petr do a game? The odd one?

Casillas has to do it nearly every game.

Maybe people shouldn't develop opinions about themselves from a game?

If what I said upset you (questioning your football knowledge), why did you then say exactly the same about me, if this is such a harmful thing?

If you took it as a personal insult, I think you are mistaken, but I apologise nonetheless.

Target Man SSK wrote:How many of these amazing saves does Petr do a game? The odd one?

Casillas has to do it nearly every game.

Like I said, you cannot use poor defences as an argument to say that Casillas is better than Cech. If Casillas played behind the Chelsea defence I think he'd concede more than Cech, simply because he is $h!t at dealing with crosses (one of Cech's strong points). You see a lot more crosses in the EPL than you do La Liga.

!!!!!!!!!

Your a funny lad S4P, fair enough Cech may be better than Casillas at dealing with Crosses..

But Casillas is sh!t!

Go watch a Real game before you make any conclusions

a polluted stream is man wrote:Maybe people shouldn't develop opinions about themselves from a game?

If what I said upset you (questioning your football knowledge), why did you then say exactly the same about me, if this is such a harmful thing?

If you took it as a personal insult, I think you are mistaken, but I apologise nonetheless.

re point 2, it was a retort written in the heat of the moment

re point 3, accepted and reciprocated

Target Man SSK wrote: !!!!!!!!!

Your a funny lad S4P, fair enough Cech may be better than Casillas at dealing with Crosses..

But Casillas is sh!t!

Go watch a Real game before you make any conclusions

What I meant is that Casillas would be $h!t at dealing with crosses in the EPL, with the likes of Crouch, Berbatov etc around.

S4P2 wrote:

Target Man SSK wrote: !!!!!!!!!

Your a funny lad S4P, fair enough Cech may be better than Casillas at dealing with Crosses..

But Casillas is sh!t!

Go watch a Real game before you make any conclusions

What I meant is that Casillas would be $h!t at dealing with crosses in the EPL, with the likes of Crouch, Berbatov etc around.

If you were back tracking any faster, you would be moon-walking

To be fair i think Casillas would cut it in the EPL and be just as successful if not more than Cech.

Only thing is that Cech can pull of some saves do his bigger size, such as that header on 3.20(?).

Don't forget Casillas also plays in Europe and for the past 8 season's he's come up against many world class strikers, so Crouch is nothing

S4P2 wrote:

Torrente wrote:

I disagree. Cech's aren't as good as Casillas' saves. I've seen plenty of Cech and he just hasn't made the type of jaw-dropping saves that Casillas makes on a regular basis.

Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_LzJClZqM&mode=related&search

(I like the one at 3:20 the most)

That's only his first season (04-05).

Haha. The "youtube video" defense. I could show you plenty of Youtube videos with much more impressive saves by Casillas. The first 5 saves of that video Casillas could do in his sleep. They even rave about saves where the ball was going straight at him The Premiership really needs some better goalies.

As a matter of fact, go watch some footage of the 2002 CL final, where in 10 minutes Casillas made 3 world class saves. This was when he was only 20, and had just come on for an inured Cesar. I'd like to see Cech do anything like that.

Target Man SSK wrote:

To be fair i think Casillas would cut it in the EPL and be just as successful if not more than Cech.

So he'd have to break the number of minutes without conceding a goal in his first season, and break the record for number of clean sheets in a season

Target Man SSK wrote:Only thing is that Cech can pull of some saves do his bigger size, such as that header on 3.20(?).

His reflexes are tremendous (maybe not quite as sharp as Casillas, but it helps him pull of some tremendous saves).

Target Man SSK wrote:Don't forget Casillas also plays in Europe and for the past 8 season's he's come up against many world class strikers, so Crouch is nothing

I'm talking about teams putting ball after ball into the box via an aerial route to the likes of Crouch though. In Spain, football is predominantly played on the floor.

How is he back tracking?

Torrente wrote:
The Premiership really needs some better goalies.

Premiership goalies are far better than La liga goalies.

The number of weak goals conceded in la liga every week in truly shocking!

Tweedle wrote:

Torrente wrote:
The Premiership really needs some better goalies.

Premiership goalies are far better than La liga goalies.

The number of weak goals conceded in la liga every week in truly shocking!

The Premiership is worse. Need I remind you of Alonso's goals from midfield and Robinson's end to end goal?

The Premiership is probably the strongest league around when it comes to goalkeepers.

Cech is considered by many to be the best goalkeeper around.

Reina would be 1st choice if he were almost any other nationality.

VDS may not be as good as he was, but would still walk into the vast majority of La Liga teams.

Lehmann - See VDS. Also disposed Kahn as Germany's no.1

Given is also a very good goalkeeper, as is Jussi and Brad Friedel.

Cudicini is probably the best no.2 goalkeeper in Europe (although I won't say he definitely is because there may be another keeper I'm unaware of).

@ Torrente

Roger scored how many times in La Liga from the halfway line ?

Torrente wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Torrente wrote:
The Premiership really needs some better goalies.

Premiership goalies are far better than La liga goalies.

The number of weak goals conceded in la liga every week in truly shocking!

The Premiership is worse. Need I remind you of Alonso's goals from midfield and Robinson's end to end goal?

Alonso's goal was against Newcastle's no.2. Robinson's goal was just a freak.