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    CL Group A Thread - Liverpool - Porto - Marseille - Besiktas

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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:56 pm

    Quaresma's comments to Sky sports earlier today as well:

    "Quaresma believes Rafael Benitez's side will provide the sternest opposition and feels Porto's home form will be crucial to their hopes of progress.

    He said: "Liverpool were only beaten in the final of last season's competition and are recognised as one of the biggest clubs in the world.

    "The opportunity to play at such a famous stadium as Anfield is magnificent and this is one game I am very much looking forward to."
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:02 am

    POSTIGA TO MISS REDS CLASH
    SKY Sports 11 September 2007

    Porto have received mixed news on the injury front ahead of next week's UEFA Champions League clash with Liverpool.

    Former Tottenham misfit Helder Postiga will miss the clash against Liverpool after picking up a knock on international duty, but Helton has recovered from injury.

    Postiga suffered a knee injury in training with Portugal which ruled him out of last weekend's draw with Poland.

    Scans have shown that Postiga has damaged knee ligaments and he faces up to a month on the sidelines.

    Better news on the injury front is the return to fitness of Helton after a knee injury.

    The Brazilian keeper is set to face Maritimo this weekend and if he comes through that unscathed he is expected to start against Liverpool.
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    Post by COTR Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:53 pm

    ...................reina

    finnan.....carra...agger....arbeloa

    pennant...gerrard..mascha..babel

    ..............kuyt......torres

    or

    .................reina

    finnan...carra.....agger...arbeloa
    ...........macha...xabi
    ...............gerrard
    .....kuyt...................babel
    ................torres


    back to full strength please rafa

    great to see aurelio back in the squad
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    Post by Rez Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:31 pm

    COTR wrote:...................reina

    finnan.....carra...agger....arbeloa

    pennant...gerrard..mascha..babel

    ..............kuyt......torres

    or

    .................reina

    finnan...carra.....agger...arbeloa
    ...........macha...xabi
    ...............gerrard
    .....kuyt...................babel
    ................torres


    back to full strength please rafa

    great to see aurelio back in the squad

    The second team is definitely better; the front 3 have energy, pace and a very stong physical presence. The midfield trio is colossal and could control any game, the Liverpool team (unfortunately) looks very good.

    Should be a good game, really looking forward to watching Quaresma torment the Liverpool defence.
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    Post by COTR Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:02 pm

    Rez wrote:
    COTR wrote:...................reina

    finnan.....carra...agger....arbeloa

    pennant...gerrard..mascha..babel

    ..............kuyt......torres

    or

    .................reina

    finnan...carra.....agger...arbeloa
    ...........macha...xabi
    ...............gerrard
    .....kuyt...................babel
    ................torres


    back to full strength please rafa

    great to see aurelio back in the squad



    The second team is definitely better; the front 3 have energy, pace and a very stong physical presence. The midfield trio is colossal and could control any game, the Liverpool team (unfortunately) looks very good.



    Should be a good game, really looking forward to watching Quaresma torment the Liverpool defence.

    I would just be interested to see how the second lineup works out as it gives us a great looking option for the tough away games in the league and in europe this season. on paper it looks brilliant but in reality may suffer from a lack of width and torres may get a bit isolated by himself. I think 2moro will give us a good indication of what rafa sees as his strongest team. only momo, kewell and riise are out injured although finnan and arbeloa are struggling at the minute with fitness which may cause a few problems
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    Post by Rez Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:01 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Rez wrote:
    COTR wrote:...................reina

    finnan.....carra...agger....arbeloa

    pennant...gerrard..mascha..babel

    ..............kuyt......torres

    or

    .................reina

    finnan...carra.....agger...arbeloa
    ...........macha...xabi
    ...............gerrard
    .....kuyt...................babel
    ................torres


    back to full strength please rafa

    great to see aurelio back in the squad



    The second team is definitely better; the front 3 have energy, pace and a very stong physical presence. The midfield trio is colossal and could control any game, the Liverpool team (unfortunately) looks very good.



    Should be a good game, really looking forward to watching Quaresma torment the Liverpool defence.

    I would just be interested to see how the second lineup works out as it gives us a great looking option for the tough away games in the league and in europe this season. on paper it looks brilliant but in reality may suffer from a lack of width and torres may get a bit isolated by himself. I think 2moro will give us a good indication of what rafa sees as his strongest team. only momo, kewell and riise are out injured although finnan and arbeloa are struggling at the minute with fitness which may cause a few problems

    There is always a danger of being too narrow with the 4-3-3 formation, but if your fullbacks push up and your wing forwards stay in their positions, lack of width will not be a problem (although it wouldnt work against a 4-4-2 united side that employs 2 orthodox wingers).

    I think the second side is your strongest 11 (not an admirer of pennant, Momo and Riise, etc) although it remains to be seen if it is your stringest team.
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    Post by Luis Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:27 pm

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    After getting fed up with talk of rotation, Benitez decides to merge Kuyt and Alonso together in order to satisfy everyone.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:33 pm

    RAFA SET TO MAKE CHANGES FOR PORTO TIE
    Steve Hunter 17 September 2007

    Rafael Benitez is set to make changes to his team for Liverpool's Champions League Group A opener in Porto on Tuesday night.
    The Liverpool manager welcomes back the likes of Dirk Kuyt and Javier Mascherano to his squad for a game Benitez believes will be a tough test for his players.

    "After an international break it's always a problem because you can't train properly with the players," commented Benitez. Mentally the players are ready but physically they are not so I will be changing some players for this game.

    "If you analyse the Porto team they are a club that sells players every year but they still always have a lot of quality in their squad like Quaresma.

    "They are a very good team and they have experience in Europe. They have pace in the team and it will be a difficult game but we have a lot of confidence in Europe. We are going to Portugal with the same idea we have for every game and that is to win the match.

    "I think at least 12 points will be enough for us to qualify for the next stage. If we can win our home games then one victory away could be enough and hopefully we can do that against Porto."
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    Post by Rosicky Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:37 pm

    Ade wrote:RAFA SET TO MAKE CHANGES FOR PORTO TIE

    Who'd of thought it.
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    Post by Luis Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:39 pm

    Will be this:

    .....................Reina......................

    ......Finnan........Carragher.........Agger.........Arbeloa.............

    .........Gerrard........Masch...........Alonso............Babel............

    .........................Torres...............Kuyt..................................

    Or Alonso will miss out and Pennat will start on the right.
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    Post by Fey Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:39 pm

    Luis wrote:CL Group A Thread - Liverpool - Porto - Marseille - Besiktas - Page 3 9dae320e-03b0-42a7-9c43-f3c6f34df85a

    After getting fed up with talk of rotation, Benitez decides to merge Kuyt and Alonso together in order to satisfy everyone.

    Blush

    Kuyt shouldnt merge with Alonso!! He is good enough already ok
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    Post by Rosicky Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:40 pm

    Wasnt Puro trying to tell you all that Gerrard wouldnt play in the middle in the CL?

    I remember you all had a big row over it, and now you reckon he will be on the right wing.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:45 pm

    Looks like Bosingwa's out, also Peter Emanuel, Helton, Postiga and Adriano are all doubtful.

    If Quaresma and Lucho are kept quiet we will beat these without much fuss.

    As for us................

    With Riise out, and with Arbeloa(explains why Arbi was struggling a bit on Sat) and Finnan doubtful it will be interesting to see how we compose our back four.
    Aurelio is back which is good news, but is a long way from match fitness. Maybe Carra will play at right back, with Hyypia in the middle?

    I would love to see Insua at LB but Ive heard hes enligable as he was left out of the CL squad due to the rules that so many have to be trained by the club. Hobbs, Darby and Threlfall are our young reserve defenders available for the CL.

    I like the look of COTR's 2nd team and hope thats what Rafa will go with but if it isnt then I expect the 1st team.

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    Post by Calidad Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:49 pm

    Haven't Porto got that the Leandro Lima dude as well? He's supposed to be quite talented.

    Adriano & Postiga are pish anyway.
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    Post by Luis Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:49 pm

    Liverpool to win 3-0
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    Post by Lard Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:51 pm

    Luis wrote:Liverpool to win 3-0

    Away to Porto???
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    Post by Luis Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:53 pm

    L.r.d wrote:
    Luis wrote:Liverpool to win 3-0

    Away to Porto???

    No, Home to Besiktas Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Lard Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:55 pm

    Luis wrote:
    L.r.d wrote:
    Luis wrote:Liverpool to win 3-0

    Away to Porto???

    No, Home to Besiktas Rolling Eyes

    Pretty ridiculous prediction. Sold a few players, but they almost knocked chelsea out last year ffs
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    Post by Protheus Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:19 pm

    Luis wrote:Liverpool to win 3-0

    Laugh

    Now that is what i call overconfidence.... or arrogance?

    Don´t worry, even with some players injured we will still play with eleven players.
    Funny when you guys are humble you win a lot and go far, when you think you've already won it all and all teams are a walk in the park, things don´t go so well. One could think you would have learn it by now but hey some things never change and we do like to be understimated by our opponents.

    Anyway, i won´t say won´t have a good chance of winning it but i won´t say we will lose for certain either. We'll see.

    And we have a record to keep, no english side has won at our home ever. And we've faced a lot so far, including all the big 4.

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    Post by Machiavel Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:21 pm

    @ Protheus

    João Paulo will play ?
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    Post by COTR Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:25 pm

    Rosicky wrote:Wasnt Puro trying to tell you all that Gerrard wouldnt play in the middle in the CL?

    I remember you all had a big row over it, and now you reckon he will be on the right wing.

    I have him in the middle in both of mine chin


    @ protheus.. luis is probably only messing .. I hope Wink

    it should be a pretty good watch 2moro. if we play our full team it'll be a very open attacking game
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    Post by fcb Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:29 pm

    lol!

    Is it just me or do others also find the thought of Benitez's team playing "open attacking" football in a tough away match in the CL quite laughable?

    (agree that the game will be a good watch though...and someone please answer my question on how long Riise will be out)


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    Post by Protheus Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:29 pm

    Raifael wrote:@ Protheus

    João Paulo will play ?

    I think so. Pedro Emanuel is still injured and Stepanov haven´t played so far so Bruno Alves and João Paulo will play for sure as CB's.
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    Post by S4P Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:30 pm

    kas wrote:lol!

    Is it just me or do others also find the thought of Benitez's team playing "open attacking" football in a tough away match in the CL quite laughable?

    ok
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    Post by Protheus Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:32 pm

    [quote="COTR"]
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    @ protheus.. luis is probably only messing .. I hope Wink

    it should be a pretty good watch 2moro. if we play our full team it'll be a very open attacking game

    I hope you're right as it would be nicer but i see a tactical game written all over it.

    As long as we win i don´t mind though and i think you guys think the same Wink
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    Post by COTR Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:35 pm

    kas wrote:lol!

    Is it just me or do others also find the thought of Benitez's team playing "open attacking" football in a tough away match in the CL quite laughable?

    (agree that the game will be a good watch though...and someone please answer my question on how long Riise will be out)

    find it laughable if you want but that is how it will be

    it's only a lack of quality attacking players that has hindered him in the past

    riise won't be out for long. it's only a minor strain I believe but with aurelio now back I think his game time will be reduced unless rafa decides to just move arbeloa permantly to the right and just rotates him with finnan
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    Post by Guest Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:55 pm

    I don't give a $h!t if we play football as ugly as Michael Jackson, as long as we get a result.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:38 am

    What: Champions League Group A
    Who: Porto (1st PLiga, 12/12pts) v Liverpool (3rd EPL, 11/15pts)
    When: Tuesday, 18 September, Kick-off: 19:45 local (BST)
    Where: Estadio do Dragao, Porto


    Fortress Dragao

    FC Porto are an intriguing proposition in the Champions League. Having only won Europe’s premier trophy twice, the first in 1986/87 when it was known as the ‘European Cup’ and the second, their still-memorable unlikely victory of the 2003/04 Champions League, they are not exactly exalted as a top European team of pedigree with a rich history.

    However, they are still widely regarded as a dangerous opposition for they have always been great exponents of a style of traditional European football that wins games.

    Whenever a team is drawn against Porto they know they are coming against a confident, committed team able to pass a ball until it is snuggly settled into the corner of your net. And this season’s Porto out-fit are no different.

    Under the keen stewardship of Manuel Jesualdo Ferreira, Porto will go into their tough tie against Liverpool tomorrow with an impressive touch of form after four league wins out of four. The manner of their victories has also given their fans much to laud over, which hasn’t always been the case, especially under the current coach.

    Nonetheless Liverpool presents a tougher task than any of their league opposition to date, but as defender Joao Paulo informed the media, it shall simply mean that the players will 'up their game' for what he believes will be a “major battle”.

    Worryingly for Liverpool, FC Porto have somewhat chiseled a fortress out of their home ground. Since building work finished on their brand spanking new stadium in 2003, the Estadio do Dragao has become a daunting destination for Europe’s elite.

    Starting with Jose Mourinho at the helm and running to the current coach, FC Porto have remained unbeaten against Europe’s elite teams when playing at home with notable names such as Chelsea, Lyon, Manchester United, Lazio and Inter Milan having already passed through the Dragao doors and left empty-handed. But then again the last team to beat Porto at the Dragao was tiny Artmedia Bratislava, so perhaps Rafa Benitez will be showing tapes of that game to inspire his players.


    Nobody Likes Them, They Don’t Care

    Liverpool FC’s successful history in Europe competitions is well-known and its impact far-reaching. Although their victorious jaunts in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s are repeatedly, and rightly, eulogized from most corners, the expectations this tradition mounts on subsequent players and managers can be mountainous.

    Thankfully for the current crop of Kopites Rafa Benitez has broad shoulders and has, in his 3 year stint, reserved a space in the Red’s glorious Hall of Fame, with only a Premiership League trophy needed to cement that spot.

    Having been Champions League finalists twice in three years (after years left in the dark), with only Portuguese giants Benfica (rather ominously) interrupting the run, Liverpool are renewed European thoroughbreds and thus are probably the most undesired opponents for any team in the tournament.

    Many coaches and mangers around Europe have already frowned at the prospect of facing Liverpool in what is increasingly becoming, somewhat unfairly, a seemingly EU-wide held view that although Liverpool are European vintage, the current rigidly-built team leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

    Not that Rafa or the Kop will care , for now with a defence that is resolute and unforgiving, bolstered with an action-packed midfield and expensively assembled front-line, the Reds will be one of the main favorites for the competition winner and therefore not ideal opponents for Porto’s opening European game this season.


    Probably The Best Football Tournament In The World

    Upon being asked one of the easiest questions he’ll most likely ever face, Sir Alex Ferguson, facing a packed media room, replied with an enormous smile and a very Scottish, “Oh Aye!”.

    The question put to Ferguson was an attempt to gauge his level of excitement over this season’s Champions League beginning for proper in only a few days, to which the Manchester United boss further offered the view that the Champions League was probably the best football tournament in the world, even bigger than the World Cup.

    Ferguson may have uttered football blasphemy but it is decidedly hard to disagree with his thoughts (even for a fervent World Cup advocate like myself) when one absorbs the huge prestige, spiraling money and vast viewer-ship the Champions League attracts.

    Considering last season’s beaten finalists, Liverpool FC, are involved in this season’s tournament opening night against Porto, and the fact that they are also sponsored by the company to whom “Probably The Best…” is its rather ambitious tag-line, it seems apt that we should launch the 2007-2008 Champions League from a similarly skewered angle, although admittedly, one that is balanced only by a global display of gluttonous child-like bliss come this time in the football calendar.

    So…with tissues at the ready to wipe away the pre-match anticipation induced foaming of the mouth, or the post-match tears in the middle of a “we’ll never win it!” rage (whichever you prefer) – lets all rub our hands together in glee as one mass of football-fanatics as the curtain is raised on the best football tournament in the world! (probably).


    FORM GUIDE

    Porto
    15 Sept v Maritimo (H) WON 1-0 (Liga Bwin)
    02 Sept v Uniao Leiria (A) WON 0-3 (Liga Bwin)
    26 Aug v Sporting Lisbon (H) WON 1-0 (Liga Bwin)
    18 Aug v Sporting Braga (A) WON 1-2 (Liga Bwin)
    11 Aug v Sporting Lisbon (H) LOST 0-1 (Liga Super Cup)

    Liverpool15 Sept v Portsmouth (A) DREW 0-0 (Prem)
    01 Sept v Derby (H) WON 6-0 (Prem)
    28 Aug v Toulouse (H) WON 4-0 (CL Qualifying)
    25 Aug v Sunderland (A) WON 0-2 (Prem)
    19 Aug v Chelsea (H) DREW 1-1 (Prem)


    TEAM NEWS


    Porto
    Thankfully for coach Ferreria he doesn’t have to contend with too many injury worries, although the couple of significant ones he will have to remedy might prove costly. At present first-choice goalkeeper Helton has still not recovered from a knee injury meaning Nuno Santo will start his third consecutive game.

    There is scope to suggest that goalkeeping mainstay Helton may make a miraculous recovery, but if not Santo will have to face the most formidable forward line of his career. At the other end striker Adriano is a major doubt with a thigh strain, but in his absence Porto should still have enough creativity and firepower to trouble Liverpool.

    Last Starting XI: Nuno Santo, Bosingwa, Joao Paulo, Bruno Alves, Cech, Lucho, Assuncao, Raul Meirless, Tarik, Lisandro, Quaresma

    Liverpool

    Rotation, rotation, rotation is at the heart of Mr. Benitez’s manifesto, and like it or not come 19:45 Tuesday it shall be no different. Andriy Voronin and Peter Crouch started up-front against Portsmouth last weekend so, following the trend that should mean Fernando Torres and Dirk Kuyt will start in Porto.

    Otherwise Benitez only has three injury absentee’s with John Arne Riise still not sufficiently recovered from a groin strain picked up playing for Norway recently, whilst Momo Sissoko and long-term sidelined Harry Kewell join him on the list of players not making the trip.

    On the plus side though Fabio Aurelio makes his return to the squad after long-standing ligament damage, although the Brazilian will probably make the bench rather a stating position. After a round of international games, clearly loathed by Benitez, a host of players might now be deemed fit enough to start, meaning Steven Gerrard will be expected to start in his favoured central-midfield berth.

    Last Starting XI: Reina, Finnan, Carragher, Agger, Arebola, Pennant, Sissoko, Alonso, Benayoun, Voronin, Crouch

    PLAYERS TO WATCH

    Porto – Ricardo Quaresma

    Even though the high-profile departures of Pepe to Real Madrid and Anderson to Manchester United bought much fortune to Porto, the best bit of business they have completed this summer is hanging on to their star winger. With so many attacking players leaving in another record-breaking period of summer transfers, the one bewildering element remains the lack of interest in Quaresma.

    Many teams had made tentative gestures for the tricky attacker, yet none, to the public’s knowledge, made any serious offers. Nonetheless Porto fans are ecstatic that a player they believe to be better than Figo, Cristanio Ronaldo, Simao and Nani has stayed to showcase his abundance of skills at Porto for at least one more season.

    Quaresma is usually deployed from either flank and is hugely effective whenever he plays. With pace, movement, dribbling speed, creative mind and an eye for goal, this wing-forward is a sublime footballing machine. Often temperamental but always a threat, he is so good that Marcelo Lippi was recently quoted as saying that if he ever made a return to club football he would be the first signing he would insist on.


    Liverpool – Fernando Torres

    More than his already impressive start to the league campaign, the lackluster performance from Voronin and Crouch this weekend highlighted the vital ingredients Torres brings to the forward line as well as Liverpool’s style of play as a whole. Able to trouble defenders with his back to goal equally as well as when he is played in behind, Torres has all the raw elements of a great striker, even if some question his natural goal-scoring instincts.

    Against an average Porto defence that has not been sufficiently strengthened since the departure of Pepe, Torres will be backed to shine, especially when one considers this is his first Champions League game ever, and the sounds coming from Liverpool suggest he is like a caged animal ready to explode. Porto watch out!.


    PREDICTION

    This game is a genuine hard one to call, for even many leading pundits are divided in their predications. Even so I believe that Liverpool will prevail, albeit narrowly, over Porto. Considering Porto are extremely hard to beat at home coupled with Liverpool’s notorious stubbornness, there are few who feel that many goals will be scored, although that is not to say it won’t be exciting.

    With Quaresma on the pitch, possibly showcasing himself to potential suitors (one of which might be Rafa himself), and Torres’s inaugural European adventure there is much to be excited about, but in the end Liverpool will have too much quality in their squad and will probably secure a late winning result. FC Porto 1-2 Liverpool
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:39 am

    Porto's Gonzalez Warns Liverpool

    Porto host Liverpool tonight in the opening group match of the Champions League, and their captain Lucho Gonzalez has warned the Reds to expect a difficult match.

    Porto's Argentine skipper Lucho Gonzalez believes the Portuguese side will get the better of Liverpool tonight at the Estadio do Dragao.

    Gonzalez feels Porto have the firepower to ensure Liverpool's Champions League campaign gets off to a losing start.

    Liverpool may be last season's runners-up, but Gonzalez said: “We are focused and ready for a victory.

    “We’ve achieved four consecutive wins in the league and now want to start the Champions League with another win.

    “Liverpool are a difficult adversary and are different to the other English teams.

    “They play a lot on the counter-attack and try to take advantage of defensive errors. They defend well but we are going to create chances in front of their goal to score.”

    Porto manager Jesualdo Ferreira said: “We are capable of beating any team in the world. Porto are one of the last four champions of Europe and that shows we can defeat any rival.”

    Ferreira sent his assistants Rui Barros and Joao Pinto to check out Liverpool during their 0-0 draw at Portsmouth on Saturday.

    He added: “They defend well and use their brains, so we will have to use our brains as well.”
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:40 am

    Crouching Tiger wrote:I don't give a $h!t if we play football as ugly as Michael Jackson, as long as we get a result.

    All about the result first, performance second <Ale>

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