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La Roja
stinger- Number of posts : 6477
Age : 44
Registration date : 2008-07-29
- Post n°481
Re: La Roja
What in the hell Pique was doing there as attacking player on the counter? I asked myself the same question during 6-2 win against Real and still don't know answer for it.
Six- Number of posts : 4390
Supports : Liverpool
Registration date : 2009-01-14
- Post n°482
Re: La Roja
He's like Carvahlo, just takes the few chances he gets really well. If he grew up in England he would have been a target man.
L r dd- Number of posts : 12451
Age : 37
Registration date : 2008-12-22
- Post n°483
Re: La Roja
We taught him that at man utd
Romford Pele- Number of posts : 18652
Age : 34
Supports : Arsenal (Team Progress)
Favourite Player : Ozil
Registration date : 2006-10-05
- Post n°484
Re: La Roja
Pshhhhh....
Hlebagone- Number of posts : 6086
Age : 34
Registration date : 2007-03-17
- Post n°485
Re: La Roja
4. With Silva and Villa, Valencia cant go too far wrong this season.
Tom- Number of posts : 12185
Age : 34
Supports : Chelsea
Registration date : 2006-08-06
- Post n°486
Re: La Roja
Drogba's not Spanish mate, he plays for the Ivory Coast.Hlebagone wrote:2-0 Villa. Excellently taken by the best striker in the world.
stinger- Number of posts : 6477
Age : 44
Registration date : 2008-07-29
- Post n°487
Re: La Roja
They should block all streams from this game in Poland, it's too disturbing to watch Spain 2 hours after watching Poland
Romford Pele- Number of posts : 18652
Age : 34
Supports : Arsenal (Team Progress)
Favourite Player : Ozil
Registration date : 2006-10-05
- Post n°488
Re: La Roja
fcb- Number of posts : 40471
Age : 113
Supports : FC Barcelona
Registration date : 2006-08-11
- Post n°489
Re: La Roja
All I can say after watching that game is: David Silva is a fucking brilliant player.
Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
Age : 45
Supports : Real Madrid CF
Favourite Player : Butragueño, Redondo, Raúl, Guti, Casillas, Sergio Ramos, Isco, Carvajal
Registration date : 2006-08-08
- Post n°490
Re: La Roja
kas wrote:All I can say after watching that game is: David Silva is a fucking brilliant player.
Too bad we'll be signing Ribery next summer instead of him.
Fade out- Number of posts : 6128
Age : 60
Favourite Player : Baggio (he outshone Zidane when played together at Juve)
Registration date : 2008-07-06
- Post n°491
Re: La Roja
He has always been a great player, but much underrated and relatively cheaper to likes of Ronaldo, Ribery, etc.
Spain look very strong, and it's going to be a hard task for other teams. There are very few teams who could beat Spain on a given day.
I really think Valencia should do well in Liga this year. With such an attacking team, they really should.
Spain look very strong, and it's going to be a hard task for other teams. There are very few teams who could beat Spain on a given day.
I really think Valencia should do well in Liga this year. With such an attacking team, they really should.
Calidad- Number of posts : 7996
Age : 37
Supports : Hibernian FC
Registration date : 2006-08-25
- Post n°492
Re: La Roja
Hmmm, I've alwyas been of the belief that Silva is talented, but overrated. His productivity has never nearly been good enough for someone that effectively plays behind the front two with little to no defensive responsibility. That said, his style of play is easy on the eye, and he's the sort of player ideal for Spain as he always keeps things ticking. When Ramos, Senna, Iniesta come back I'd like to see something like;
-------------------Cassilas
Ramos-----Pique*---Puyol*----Capdevila
-------------------Senna
--------------Xavi-------Iniesta
--------------------Silva
---------------Villa------Torres
* Or Albiol
In all honesty, Spain would be even better if they ditched a striker and played with a 4-5-1 with the extra midfielder (Cesc, Alonso, Cazorla etc), but we all know that isn't going to happen.
But that above formation would be pretty sweet with the FB's providing the width.
-------------------Cassilas
Ramos-----Pique*---Puyol*----Capdevila
-------------------Senna
--------------Xavi-------Iniesta
--------------------Silva
---------------Villa------Torres
* Or Albiol
In all honesty, Spain would be even better if they ditched a striker and played with a 4-5-1 with the extra midfielder (Cesc, Alonso, Cazorla etc), but we all know that isn't going to happen.
But that above formation would be pretty sweet with the FB's providing the width.
Isco Benny- Number of posts : 19647
Age : 43
Supports : Spurs, FOLLOWS (just for worms): Werder Bremen, Lazio, Ferencvaros, Valencia, El Classico, Angleterre, Magyarorszag
Favourite Player : Don't cha wish your left back was BAE? Don't cha
Registration date : 2006-08-08
- Post n°493
Re: La Roja
I honestly cannot see the WC going anywhere but to Spain at the moment.
What a side.
Unlike Brazil (at the moment), they play very attractive football to boot.
The only chance other European sides will have to beat them is by outmuscling them and playing it wide on the break.
because you CANNOT outplay Spain at their own game.
The key would definitely be to play with quick wingers, as Spain's only real weakness is a lack of width. They like to play it pretty through the middle,
so breaking quick down the flanks and delivering decent crosses into the box could be profitable.
What a side.
Unlike Brazil (at the moment), they play very attractive football to boot.
The only chance other European sides will have to beat them is by outmuscling them and playing it wide on the break.
because you CANNOT outplay Spain at their own game.
The key would definitely be to play with quick wingers, as Spain's only real weakness is a lack of width. They like to play it pretty through the middle,
so breaking quick down the flanks and delivering decent crosses into the box could be profitable.
Calidad- Number of posts : 7996
Age : 37
Supports : Hibernian FC
Registration date : 2006-08-25
- Post n°494
Re: La Roja
Spider Crouch wrote:I honestly cannot see the WC going anywhere but to Spain at the moment.
What a side.
Unlike Brazil (at the moment), they play very attractive football to boot.
The only chance other European sides will have to beat them is by outmuscling them and playing it wide on the break.
because you CANNOT outplay Spain at their own game.
The key would definitely be to play with quick wingers, as Spain's only real weakness is a lack of width. They like to play it pretty through the middle,
so breaking quick down the flanks and delivering decent crosses into the box could be profitable.
Spain are the strongest side on paper (and I said this at the Euros too) A lot of people were writing them off because of past failures, but needless to say past failures have nothing to do with the current crop of players. I said the same at the 2006 WC - that Argentina were the strongest on paper, and if not for a moment of madness by Pekkerman that choice may have been vindicated.
With the players around ATM; like you, I see no reason why they shouldn't be considered favourites. Current Euro Champs, and with the exception of Puyol/Capdevila (who will still prbably be at a high level come next year) most of them squad haven't even reached their prime yet.
Of course, we all know football isn't played on paper, and there are a number of other sides who could easily walk away with this trophy with a bit of luck. And I can definitely see a couple of upsets in the balance of power, with the likes of Serbia, or maybe even Bosnia making a name for themselves (not winning, but getting quite far)
Course, if Argentina start picking the right players and playing well, and I'd definitely see them as a strong contender too.
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Re: La Roja
they look so much better with silva on the pitch when compared to how they played without him at the confed cup, when iniesta returns they will have to absolute gems in midfield capable of breaking down the best of defenses.
now for them to drop alonso, for senna.
now for them to drop alonso, for senna.
fcb- Number of posts : 40471
Age : 113
Supports : FC Barcelona
Registration date : 2006-08-11
- Post n°496
Re: La Roja
What an assist by Silva for Cesc's goal. Makes it look so simple.
Fade out- Number of posts : 6128
Age : 60
Favourite Player : Baggio (he outshone Zidane when played together at Juve)
Registration date : 2008-07-06
- Post n°497
Re: La Roja
yeah, it was a great one-two move. As was Carzola-Fabregas move for the third. Spain's attacking players exploit space with clever movement, and they find each other telepathically.
Mata's goal was brilliant too.
But again, a lot could change as I always stress out. I believe the world cup will be a bit affected by fatigue and injuries to key players of different NT.
Mata's goal was brilliant too.
But again, a lot could change as I always stress out. I believe the world cup will be a bit affected by fatigue and injuries to key players of different NT.
DeLux- Number of posts : 4399
Age : 37
Supports : Celta Vigo
Favourite Player : Mostovoi, Xavi, David Silva, Valerón, Raúl
Registration date : 2006-08-10
- Post n°498
Re: La Roja
With Villa and Güiza out with injuries Negredo gets his first call-up.
Probable line-up, according to Marca:
Reina; Ramos, Marchena, Puyol, Monreal; Senna; Cazorla, Fabregas, Xavi, Mata; Torres
Probable line-up, according to Marca:
Reina; Ramos, Marchena, Puyol, Monreal; Senna; Cazorla, Fabregas, Xavi, Mata; Torres
fcb- Number of posts : 40471
Age : 113
Supports : FC Barcelona
Registration date : 2006-08-11
- Post n°499
Re: La Roja
Cesc's goal was fantastic. Superb pass by Xavi, and an even better finish.
Calidad- Number of posts : 7996
Age : 37
Supports : Hibernian FC
Registration date : 2006-08-25
- Post n°500
Re: La Roja
Was watching a bit of this on stream last night. Fabregas and Xavi were excellent. Senna, Mata and both FB's were pretty good too. Rest were decent except Torres who was a bit shit again. Iniesta still playing like a bit of a pussy too atm.
TheCrazy58- Number of posts : 8151
Age : 104
Supports : Arsenal
Registration date : 2006-08-07
- Post n°501
Re: La Roja
kas wrote:Cesc's goal was fantastic. Superb pass by Xavi, and an even better finish.
Think the one vs Blackburn last weekend was better - harder too, as it was directly volleyed from Rosicky's quasi-overhead kick.
DeLux- Number of posts : 4399
Age : 37
Supports : Celta Vigo
Favourite Player : Mostovoi, Xavi, David Silva, Valerón, Raúl
Registration date : 2006-08-10
- Post n°502
Re: La Roja
Negredo's scored two more goals, i.e. two, than Torres in the entire qualifying campaign.
Calidad- Number of posts : 7996
Age : 37
Supports : Hibernian FC
Registration date : 2006-08-25
- Post n°503
Re: La Roja
Apparently Iniesta got a standing ovation from the Bosnia fans when he went off. By all accounts, he was abolsutely fantastic.
christmasborocooper- Number of posts : 39348
Age : 36
Registration date : 2006-08-06
- Post n°504
Re: La Roja
How good were Armenia?
fcb- Number of posts : 40471
Age : 113
Supports : FC Barcelona
Registration date : 2006-08-11
- Post n°505
Re: La Roja
Armenia were shit, ran a lot but cluelessly. And Bosnia last night were disappointing too relative to what I was expecting - they showed too much respect to Spain and didn't have enough self-belief or aggression in their attacks.
But yes, Iniesta and Silva were magnificent. Iniesta initiated 2 of the goals, but it won't show on the stats because he didn't get the final pass or finish.
Negredo played very well as the lone striker too. His first goal (Spain's 3rd) was a class finish (though the defender should have been much closer on him), and the pass he made to Mata (Spain's 5th goal) should go in the dictionary next to the word "sublime". Xavi, Riquelme, and Ronaldinho would be proud of that. Watch it below:
It's tough to think of an international team that's looked this good over a period of nearly 2 years. Belgium, Turkey, and Bosnia are not shit teams, yet Spain wiped the floor with them, both home and away, in the qualification.
But I still don't see Spain winning the World Cup - you can already see them suffering and getting knocked out against a team that's physically stronger/taller, and deadly on the counter: Brazil, Italy, and possibly even France.
There's also the likely scenario of the key players being involved in a tough Madrid-Barça title race, and being fatigued come World Cup time, just like France in 2002. But hopefully the extended rest period before the tournament allows injured/tired players of all countries to recover.
I think the last 2 friendlies give a strong indication of the final squad. Negredo has probably played himself into it, as he gives a different tactical option. Llorente will have a tough job getting back into the final 23 (barring injuries). Guiza is hanging on but needs to find some form and fitness, because there's a plethora of attacking midfielders like Cazorla, Pablo, Mata, and possibly Navas who could all take his spot. I don't rate Riera but he'll probably get in as a super-sub because of his ability to offer natural width.
IMO the final 23-man squad should be:
GK: Casillas, Reina, Diego Lopez
RB: Sergio Ramos, Iraola
CB:Puyol, Pique, Albiol (don't see the need for a 4th CB like Marchena, he's probably going to get a red and be suspended at some point anyway...better to take an extra DM)
LB: Capdevila, Monreal
DM: Senna, Busquets, Xabi Alonso
CM: Xavi, Cesc
LM: Silva, Riera, Mata
RM: Iniesta, Cazorla/Navas
FW: Villa, Negredo, Torres
Fringes: Pablo, F. Llorente, Guiza, Marchena, Asenjo, etc.
But yes, Iniesta and Silva were magnificent. Iniesta initiated 2 of the goals, but it won't show on the stats because he didn't get the final pass or finish.
Negredo played very well as the lone striker too. His first goal (Spain's 3rd) was a class finish (though the defender should have been much closer on him), and the pass he made to Mata (Spain's 5th goal) should go in the dictionary next to the word "sublime". Xavi, Riquelme, and Ronaldinho would be proud of that. Watch it below:
It's tough to think of an international team that's looked this good over a period of nearly 2 years. Belgium, Turkey, and Bosnia are not shit teams, yet Spain wiped the floor with them, both home and away, in the qualification.
But I still don't see Spain winning the World Cup - you can already see them suffering and getting knocked out against a team that's physically stronger/taller, and deadly on the counter: Brazil, Italy, and possibly even France.
There's also the likely scenario of the key players being involved in a tough Madrid-Barça title race, and being fatigued come World Cup time, just like France in 2002. But hopefully the extended rest period before the tournament allows injured/tired players of all countries to recover.
I think the last 2 friendlies give a strong indication of the final squad. Negredo has probably played himself into it, as he gives a different tactical option. Llorente will have a tough job getting back into the final 23 (barring injuries). Guiza is hanging on but needs to find some form and fitness, because there's a plethora of attacking midfielders like Cazorla, Pablo, Mata, and possibly Navas who could all take his spot. I don't rate Riera but he'll probably get in as a super-sub because of his ability to offer natural width.
IMO the final 23-man squad should be:
GK: Casillas, Reina, Diego Lopez
RB: Sergio Ramos, Iraola
CB:Puyol, Pique, Albiol (don't see the need for a 4th CB like Marchena, he's probably going to get a red and be suspended at some point anyway...better to take an extra DM)
LB: Capdevila, Monreal
DM: Senna, Busquets, Xabi Alonso
CM: Xavi, Cesc
LM: Silva, Riera, Mata
RM: Iniesta, Cazorla/Navas
FW: Villa, Negredo, Torres
Fringes: Pablo, F. Llorente, Guiza, Marchena, Asenjo, etc.
toon h- Number of posts : 8715
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- Post n°506
Re: La Roja
I would get rid of Riera and put Llorente in
fcb- Number of posts : 40471
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Registration date : 2006-08-11
- Post n°507
Re: La Roja
I was wondering about that too...but considering a 4-5-1 with Villa is equally potent, why bother with 4 strikers? Del Bosque can then make full use of Spain's biggest competitive advantage over other countries - attacking midfielders.
Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
Age : 45
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Registration date : 2006-08-08
- Post n°508
Re: La Roja
kas wrote:IMO the final 23-man squad should be:
GK: Casillas, Reina, Diego Lopez
RB: Sergio Ramos, Iraola
CB:Puyol, Pique, Albiol (don't see the need for a 4th CB like Marchena, he's probably going to get a red and be suspended at some point anyway...better to take an extra DM)
LB: Capdevila, Monreal
DM: Senna, Busquets, Xabi Alonso
CM: Xavi, Cesc
LM: Silva, Riera, Mata
RM: Iniesta, Cazorla/Navas
FW: Villa, Negredo, Torres
Fringes: Pablo, F. Llorente, Guiza, Marchena, Asenjo, etc.
Personally, I wouldn't take both Reina and Lopez. I don't see the point of taking three very experienced goalkeepers. The third goalkeeper should always be someone young so I would go for Asenjo personally.
I think the back up left back is still up for grabs. Monreal has been in the squad a couple of times but I think there is still room for someone else to make their case for a place in the team. And backup right back is also probably up for grabs. Could be Iraola. Could also be Arbeloa who offers a bit more versatility.
I would dump Riera. He's ok but there are a lot of better players at the moment. Fernando Llorente gives them a real aerial threat which can come in handy in certain situations.
It will be interesting to see if there is anyone who 'plays' their way into the contention over the next six months. We've talked about someone like Granero - if he plays any significant amount of time - or even I was thinking Zapater who has been very good in his first couple of months in Genoa. Jesus Navas who you mention above, etc.
fcb- Number of posts : 40471
Age : 113
Supports : FC Barcelona
Registration date : 2006-08-11
- Post n°509
Re: La Roja
Hmmm yes, forgot about Arbeloa. His versatility could be key and with Puyol also able to fill in at fullback, it may allow Del Bosque to squeeze in one more midfielder, or Llorente, like you and toon suggest.
I was thinking the same about the GK situation. ie. Asenjo should be selected as a "Walcott" - to get experience of what it's like. But then I figured, he probably has lots of time and lots of World Cups left in him anyway.
Let's see how he does now that this U20 World Cup is over and he can play uninterrupted for Atletico.
I was thinking the same about the GK situation. ie. Asenjo should be selected as a "Walcott" - to get experience of what it's like. But then I figured, he probably has lots of time and lots of World Cups left in him anyway.
Let's see how he does now that this U20 World Cup is over and he can play uninterrupted for Atletico.
Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
Age : 45
Supports : Real Madrid CF
Favourite Player : Butragueño, Redondo, Raúl, Guti, Casillas, Sergio Ramos, Isco, Carvajal
Registration date : 2006-08-08
- Post n°510
Re: La Roja
The thing with the third GK is that they are never used. So you might as well give the place to a youngster so they can learn and see what it's all about. I thought Walcott was ridiculous because England could have maybe actually used another out field player. But I don't think the third GK has ever been used ever since they expanded the WC roster to 23 so teams could take a third GK in the first place.
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