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Football Myths

by Z Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:59 pm

Feel free to add those widespread beliefs about football that you believe to be myths, pure social constructs with little basis in fact. Please though, no boring stuff about individual players or teams like "___ was actually shit" or whatever and nothing about external controversies like corruption and whatnot.

I'll give an example: Natural talent. I believe this to be a myth, as a kid growing up the best footballers I knew personally were the ones who played the most and cared the most. It's possible you could genetically be more competitive, faster and basically have ingrained mental and physical attributes, say a naturally sporty and well-coordinated person. But no-one is just born with football skills as so many pundits and commentators suggest. I think it does a disservice to the amount of time and practice these players put in to get that good. It's typical in this country to apply attributes of destiny (god-given talent) and fortune to successful sportsmen, whereas other cultures would appreciate their hard work and determination to succeed.

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Re: Football Myths

by Football Genius Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:23 pm

It's also a myth that british footballers are technically poorer than their European or South American counter parts...

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Re: Football Myths

by Since 1888 Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:35 pm

The big 'legioen' of Feyenoord is a big myth for sure.

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Re: Football Myths

by EMP Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:37 pm

African players can't perform in cold weather.

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Re: Football Myths

by Pierre Littbarski Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:39 pm

Football Genius wrote:It's also a myth that british footballers are technically poorer than their European or South American counter parts...

Really ?

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Re: Football Myths

by DS Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:03 pm

Yup Rio ,Rooney,Scholes,Carrick,Joe Cole A Cole ,Gerrard to name a few

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Re: Football Myths

by Hlebagone Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:04 pm

That Penalties are unfair.

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Re: Football Myths

by Sheffield gunner Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:05 pm

Hlebadinho wrote:That Penalties are unfair.

Or at least that penalties are 'a lottery' or all about luck.

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Re: Football Myths

by Hlebagone Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:06 pm

Sheffield gunner wrote:

Hlebadinho wrote:That Penalties are unfair.

Or at least that penalties are 'a lottery' or all about luck.

Yeh, that's better.

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Re: Football Myths

by Pierre Littbarski Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:20 pm

Dark Savante wrote:Yup Rio ,Rooney,Scholes,Carrick,Joe Cole A Cole ,Gerrard to name a few

So if you name some English players who are technically good that proves that Europeans and South American's aren't technically better.

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Re: Football Myths

by Hlebagone Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:22 pm

Dark Savante wrote:Yup Rio ,Rooney,Scholes,Carrick,Joe Cole A Cole ,Gerrard to name a few

Really?

The problem is, you say to name a few, but i don't think there many other English players who are top class technically.

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Re: Football Myths

by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:27 pm

Dark Savante wrote:Yup Rio ,Rooney,Scholes,Carrick,Joe Cole A Cole ,Gerrard to name a few

scratch

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Re: Football Myths

by DS Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:53 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:Yup Rio ,Rooney,Scholes,Carrick,Joe Cole A Cole ,Gerrard to name a few

So if you name some English players who are technically good that proves that Europeans and South American's aren't technically better.

Usually you need 11 to make a team ,ok 16 ish.
Generally they are not better then their latin counter parts but to say all English players are inferior in technique is stereotyping.
England has alot to improve in that area but it isnt that they are $h!t, teach them to use skill more often in the youth and that gap will bridge.

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Re: Football Myths

by DS Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:55 pm

Hlebadinho wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:Yup Rio ,Rooney,Scholes,Carrick,Joe Cole A Cole ,Gerrard to name a few

Really?
I really cant find a point to criticise his technique.

The problem is, you say to name a few, but i don't think there many other English players who are top class technically.

True, generally poor but not a hopeless situation.

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Re: Football Myths

by Football Genius Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:03 pm

We may not have proportionately large amounts of technically fabulous players, but we aren't a large nation either in comparison to many other stereo typically technically adept countries.

The fact that there are so many foreigners in the Premier League, displays the bench mark in quality the league dictates as a requirement, which makes the niche for top class british players even smaller - so you could argue to become a pivotal british player in a british team now is harder than it's ever been.

Technique is naturally required at this level, so to suggest its all hoof's power and pace is absolutely absurd.

I do agree our technically gifted players are of a lower quantity than some other leagues, but sweeping technically poor statements are wholly incorrect.

The fact we produce less youngsters nowadays at the highest level has more to do with the impatience to bleed players into first teams due to imminent success demands, the cost of foreigners over british players - and our lazy youth who would rather sit in and watch telly, play computer games and lounge around on the net, than get outside when its raining and kick a footy about.

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Re: Football Myths

by Pierre Littbarski Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:06 pm

Football Genius wrote:our lazy youth who would rather sit in and watch telly, play computer games and lounge around on the net, than get outside when its raining and kick a footy about.

which makes them play less and leads them to be technically inferior.

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Re: Football Myths

by Football Genius Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:09 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Football Genius wrote:our lazy youth who would rather sit in and watch telly, play computer games and lounge around on the net, than get outside when its raining and kick a footy about.

which makes them play less and leads them to be technically inferior.

Those that play less, tend not to make it as footballers...

Those who do play might have a better opportunity, but when you've got smaller pools of talent to pick from a.) you produce less talent and b.) theres less competition which invariably makes young players strive to be better in order to succeed.

This does not mean the players coming through are technically inept, simply that we proportionately produce less players, so if you had a law of averages that 1-100 good kids make it at the highest level, we have less 100's to get those 1's out of thus producing a smaller quantity of talent.

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Re: Football Myths

by Khadrim Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:45 pm

Football Genius wrote:We may not have proportionately large amounts of technically fabulous players, but we aren't a large nation either in comparison to many other stereo typically technically adept countries.

There are 60 million people in the UK. Only Germany Turkey and Russia are larger in Europe

The fact that there are so many foreigners in the Premier League, displays the bench mark in quality the league dictates as a requirement, which makes the niche for top class british players even smaller - so you could argue to become a pivotal british player in a british team now is harder than it's ever been.

Especially with youth Academies being filled with by young foreigners.

Technique is naturally required at this level, so to suggest its all hoof's power and pace is absolutely absurd.

I would argue this has more to do with tactics and personnel

I do agree our technically gifted players are of a lower quantity than some other leagues, but sweeping technically poor statements are wholly incorrect.

The fact we produce less youngsters nowadays at the highest level has more to do with the impatience to bleed players into first teams due to imminent success demands, the cost of foreigners over british players - and our lazy youth who would rather sit in and watch telly, play computer games and lounge around on the net, than get outside when its raining and kick a footy about.

Also it doesn't help that English players don't go abroad. Something That could really help develop their technique. As it is only players in the top teams experience anything different in Europe and these are already part of the elite.

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Re: Football Myths

by Super Progress Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:47 pm

Football Genius wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Football Genius wrote:our lazy youth who would rather sit in and watch telly, play computer games and lounge around on the net, than get outside when its raining and kick a footy about.

which makes them play less and leads them to be technically inferior.

Those that play less, tend not to make it as footballers...

Those who do play might have a better opportunity, but when you've got smaller pools of talent to pick from a.) you produce less talent and b.) theres less competition which invariably makes young players strive to be better in order to succeed.

This does not mean the players coming through are technically inept, simply that we proportionately produce less players, so if you had a law of averages that 1-100 good kids make it at the highest level, we have less 100's to get those 1's out of thus producing a smaller quantity of talent.

If i understand you correct you are saying that England dont have alot to choose from since their potential players are doing other stuff? but isnt that similar to nations like Holland,Italy,Spain? or am i misunderstanding what you are saying.

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Re: Football Myths

by Football Genius Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:48 pm

Supermadrid...

We have a binge drinking culture, chavs and more pregnant teenage mothers than anywhere else in Europe, generally speaking there is not the wealth of prospective athletes at the right ages - from 11 (chavs) through to 16-18 (binge drinking fathers)

When i lived in Holland, we had wednesday afternoons off to encourage kids to join sports clubs which a vast majority of kids did do, i remember football pitches and tennis courts basket ball courts everwhere i stayed, Emnes, Huizen, Hilversum.

Yes of course british kids have parks, but the chavs use these as there 'home teritory' yes we have tennis courts, but its a wank game and only cake eating late afternooners play.

Seriously though, the lack of academies doesn't give young kids the opportunity to build confidence that might not be street smart, might not be particularly good at school. There is no surprise that a club like Crewe Alexandra who were during the late nineties the only club outside the premiership with a recognised operating academy, produced young talent that not only went on to do better things, but also kept their championship status for a club with a 10,000 stadium that has risen from the conference under Dario Gradi's continuing investment and emphasis on structured and well funded (by the products they create) youth system programme.

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Re: Football Myths

by Juligen Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:16 am

@ Football Genius, the one thing that I dislike about your football is how you teach your kids, puting them in those huge filds, making them run like headless chickens, I cant really understand that.

Here in Brazil a boy wont play in a official size field until he gets in his teen years, they learn in small areas, so their technique and precision can be developed, it also helps to develop their ball control, and dont even start with that, "He needs to play in the mud when is raining", this will only help the ones with no skill.

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Re: Football Myths

by Football Genius Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:30 am

Juligen wrote:@ Football Genius, the one thing that I dislike about your football is how you teach your kids, puting them in those huge filds, making them run like headless chickens, I cant really understand that.

Here in Brazil a boy wont play in a official size field until he gets in his teen years, they learn in small areas, so their technique and precision can be developed, it also helps to develop their ball control, and dont even start with that, "He needs to play in the mud when is raining", this will only help the ones with no skill.

I wholly agree, and you find the clubs that spend their time and money educating their youth teams with the proper infrastuctures actually use the methods you outline.

When i was at Crewe, we used to watch tapes of training routines that Brazilian clubs were using (not only Brazilian, at the time we also had tapes from the USA, Italy and Holland)

The ability to asign people to get this information, meant that the training regime changed dramatically, to 5 aside, possession football in a small zone more 3 defenders trying to win the ball and 4 players trying to keep it.

The regimental routine of ball control exercises (would bounce the ball, you'd have to spin round take a couple of steps and volley the ball from the first bounce putting your laces through the ball to get it to produce a downwards spin to make the ball lob over the keeper) warm up excercises like keepy uppies laying down with somebody opposite you.

The point is, some clubs do place emphasis on this part of the club, others disregard it because of the pressure to be successful as a result investing heavily in players and wages, and not being able to source a youth programme - as has so emphatically been emphasized recently by certain managers, they need time to deliver the goods and its IMO the same principle with youth teams, they need to invest time, money and expertise.

You'd be absolutely surprised the training programmes of the lower divisions in our leagues. Primarily fitness driven.

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Re: Football Myths

by Z&H Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:23 am

Left-footed players shouldn't take penalties.

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Re: Football Myths

by Barrilete Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:44 pm

Zizinho wrote:Left-footed players shouldn't take penalties.

what?? never heard of that one before...incredibly stupid says I

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Re: Football Myths

by DS Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:50 pm

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Zizinho wrote:Left-footed players shouldn't take penalties.

what?? never heard of that one before...incredibly stupid says I

same here.

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Re: Football Myths

by Z&H Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:09 pm

Dark Savante wrote:

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Zizinho wrote:Left-footed players shouldn't take penalties.

what?? never heard of that one before...incredibly stupid says I

same here.

No wonder you’ve never heard of this peculiarity. It’s some local “golden rule”. We have a so-called sports journalist who tortures us with this sort of stuff. The guy seems completely crazy, claiming that he even has some scientific background to his revelations . I remember when Riise missed a penalty in CL and he was so excited -“I told you he wouldn’t score . He’s left-footed, you know”. Doh

Doh

What’s more he calls himself an expert on Argentinian football. Suspect

Suspect

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Re: Football Myths

by The Easter Bunny Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:16 pm

When me and my mates play footy and it goes to penaltys we make people take it with their weaker foot, normally the left, as it encourages people to be two footed.

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Re: Football Myths

by Murray Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:36 pm

Zizinho wrote:Left-footed players shouldn't take penalties.

Dutch & English players shouldn't take penalties.

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Re: Football Myths

by fcb Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:00 pm

Murray wrote:

Zizinho wrote:Left-footed players shouldn't take penalties.

Dutch & English players shouldn't take penalties.

That's not a myth, it's true.

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Re: Football Myths

by Axeslammer Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:14 pm

kas wrote:

Murray wrote:

Zizinho wrote:Left-footed players shouldn't take penalties.

Dutch & English players shouldn't take penalties.

That's not a myth, it's true.

Tssk, as Barcelona fan you should remember Koetje doing well as penalty taker for you lot Wink

Wink

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