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    Post by COTR Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:12 pm

    Paul Tomkins 01 November 2006

    It's official: rotation is the new zonal marking. One of the drawbacks of supporting a club with a forward-thinking manager is that it intimidates the old order, confuses some of the less astute pressmen, and leads to all sorts of crazy criticisms.

    Last night's result coincided with the end of the run of 99 'rotated' team selections by Rafa Benítez. The victory will of course be attributed solely to keeping a settled side, even though Saturday's performance, with an altered side, was far more impressive.

    Personally, I don't care whether the team is rotated or not; if you have a manager who has strong ideas and, more importantly, a long-term vision, and who has proven he can win major trophies with those methods, you have to trust him. If we had another proven top manager who didn't rotate, then he would have his own good reasons for that approach.

    The facts actually suggest that Rafa's rotation policy works; not that the facts are ever allowed to get in the way of a good story.

    Too much football punditry is based on snap assessments, tired old clichés and perpetuated myths. Falsehoods are presented as truths, simply because people don't bother to check the validity of what they are saying. Misconceptions are rife. This past week has seen the criticism of rotation intensify, and also seen the quality of the players called into question, amongst other things.

    Rotation is part of the forward-thinking modern management that Rafa is all about. And the innovators in life are those who look forward, not backwards. Bill Shankly was an innovator. He did things his way. He changed things at Liverpool, updated them. There was no instant success, and there was also a seven-year hiatus between his 2nd and 3rd league titles, but boy did he deliver. Shankly didn't look to what won the league 20 years earlier, but what would win it this season, or the next.

    The aim of joining Oliver Anderson to write The Red Review was to get a more accurate assessment of what goes on on the pitch. Things like comparing the Reds' results when Gerrard plays on the right to when he plays centrally; how the team defend set pieces; who tends to be most involved in the 'business end' of goals beyond a simple assist; how many mistakes players make that cost the team goals; which players help the team to better results; and so on.

    It's about being better informed. It's not about meaningless stats, but detailed tactical assessments on what works and what doesn't. It's easy to mock zonal marking, slate rotation, say Steven Gerrard is wasted on the right, and call Luis Garcia a liability, but is any of it actually true?

    Zonal marking


    Let's start with the grand folly that is zonal marking – or so you might have been led to think. Or maybe you've read this column before, and discovered that Liverpool were actually the most successful team at defending set pieces last season? In 2005/06 the Reds conceded only four league goals from corners and indirect free-kicks; or one every nine games, compared with Chelsea, the next-best team, and their rate of one every six games.

    This season the Reds' figure stands at one such goal conceded from ten league games, and that was way back on the opening day; so a further improvement. And yet still, despite all this, not a single game goes by without zonal marking being mentioned by commentators, with the inference that Liverpool are dodgy at set pieces.

    Luis Garcia is a luxury suited only to European matches

    Luis Garcia has now scored 28 goals in two and a bit seasons. All from open play. That's a great record, especially as he doesn't play every game, and is mostly a midfielder.

    In his first season he scored the crucial Champions League goals, which no one can forget, and he's got three in this year's competition already. However, last season he was 'directly involved' in more Liverpool goals per-90 minutes of Premiership football than any other player (involvement being based on the final three players to touch the ball in the scoring of any goal). His best form was in the English game, to which some feel he is not suited. He also leads the club's standings in the league this season, with an even more impressive rate. He makes things happen.

    Of course, he also has those days when nothing goes right. But isn't it time we learned to live with his faults, because it's the good things he does that ultimately make a difference, and often in big games?

    It's also worth remembering that not once since his arrival has he given the ball away and it led directly to an opposition goal (it might have indirectly at times, further down the line in a move, but then that can be said of anyone who concedes possession).

    Give me a Garcia over a player who only ever does the simple thing and never has the bottle to try something special - the kind of thing needed in the final third.

    Steven Gerrard is better in the centre

    Last season for Liverpool, Gerrard played over 1500 minutes on the right of midfield, compared with more than 2600 minutes centrally (split fairly evenly between a standard midfield role, and that of the second forward). He was productive wherever he played, scoring and creating aplenty, although his personal figures were slightly higher in a central role.

    But Liverpool won by far the most points (in all competitions, using three points for cup wins as well) when he was on the right wing: 2.30 per game, compared with 1.89 when central. On the whole, the fixtures where he was used on the right were arguably tougher than average, and predominately away games.

    Isn't it Benítez's job to win games, rather than make the side merely a showcase for Steven Gerrard's great talents? Isn't it about getting the best out of all eleven players, with the correct blend? Gerrard might catch the eye more centrally, but results tend to be better when he's on the right.

    But the right wing is just a starting position. When Gerrard drifts inside he can quickly change the dynamics of a game; putting a defence under pressure with his movement and creating space for others, as he did for the third goal this weekend.

    With Sissoko and Alonso the type of midfielders who rarely get ahead of the ball, it needs darting runs infield from the wings; so long as others cover the captain when he wanders, and that's down to the two central players a lot of the time. The bonus is that when Gerrard stays out wide he can deliver superb crosses, while also having the stamina, pace and tackling ability to do the ugly work, too.

    Peter Crouch is not a goalscorer

    Eight goals for Crouch for the Reds this season, and 21 in total. Add 11 for England, and you have 32 goals in a fraction less than 11 months. Include his Southampton goals since the start of 2005 and it takes him to 42 in two months short of two years.

    When will people ever take him seriously as a goalscorer?

    Rotation, and the new 'Tinkerman'

    What I don't get is that going into last weekend's fixtures, Benítez had made only one change more than Alex Ferguson in the Premiership: 30, to 29. Chelsea were the third-most rotated team. So rotation, as a concept, doesn't work? Hmm...

    Meanwhile, Arsenal kept the same team as the weekend before, and dropped two more points at home. No one blamed it on having a settled side. But why should they?

    Another irritant is that rotation has been heavily criticised after Liverpool defeats this season – but the '99 games since last unchanged line-up' got brought up as a criticism too, as if it was been a problem for 99 games. Which, clearly, is insane. Why did no one actually bother to look at the results over those 99 games?

    Let me remind people that despite the stuttering start to this season, Liverpool had won 60 out of the previous 100 games, which is easy to work out at 60%. Or in other words, the kind of win percentage that used to land Liverpool the league. (The average over those 18 league titles is also 60% of games won.)

    Times have changed. As an example, the Reds secured the league in 1984 with a mere 52.4% win rating, drawing 14 games and losing six of the 42 matches. That many draws alone would be the same as losing more than eight games in the modern points system, and that's on top of the six actual defeats; so the dropped points would now be the same as 14 defeats in a season (or 12-13 in a 38 game season).

    I don't wish to knock that great side's achievement, as it was a case of doing what was required at the time (not to mention it being part of a stunning treble). But that was back then. Alex Ferguson never rotated in 1986, when he took charge of Manchester United; but he has for the last decade or so. He moved with the times.

    The Reds' 99 game run covered all competitions, of course, and included domestic cup games, which could be said to be easier. But in a bizarre quirk of the luck of the draw, Benítez has yet to face a side lower that mid-table in the Championship since his arrival, and has faced mostly Premiership sides. No lower or non-league opposition in the last two years, unlike Manchester United.

    That run of 99 games also included an incredible ten games against Chelsea, that show how tough the fixture list has been in that time, plus four against United. And more importantly than anything else, it included the European Cup, World Club Championship and FA Cup finals, the former and latter of which were won. We're not talking easy games here.

    Some say only rotate when you're winning. But rotate a winning side and lose, and you'd hear "you never change a winning team".

    As I've said in recent weeks, there were a number of factors at work in the disappointing start: dips in individual form, silly mistakes, bad finishing, near misses (the Reds have now hit the woodwork a staggering 14 times this season), all leading to a dip in the collective confidence. You need luck, too. At the Reebok the officials turned the game in Bolton's favour, while at the weekend Luis Garcia was offside in a sublime team goal; neither of which had anything to do with rotation.

    But in these days of pithy 200 word articles and rushed 30 second analyses, everything has to be distilled down into one issue, one great line, one snappy soundbite. And that doesn't give time to discuss proper ideas.

    New players have been criticised without thought of what they are facing. As an example, Dirk Kuyt is trying to settle into a new league, with new tactics, and having to cope with a big money move to a massive-pressure club, while his dad recovers from a life-saving cancer operation back home. Are such difficulties ever taken into account?

    The corner won't be turned for the Reds until the away form picks up, but a win against Reading and at least it can be approached with four straight victories, and with confidence significantly buoyed.






    No need for comments... Just read and enjoy the facts
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:15 pm

    Sleep

    Rotation is bad when you're, get over it ok
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    Post by COTR Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:16 pm

    Tweedledum wrote:Sleep

    Rotation is bad when you're, get over it ok
    and in english plz Wink
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:16 pm

    This has to be the most boring article ever.

    Big babies.

    Why start a thread about it anyway, when it was in the Liverpool thread. Just a drastic cry for some more love and effection, because Liverpool can never have enough. Rolling Eyes

    How about he answers why you play some of the most boring football in the LEAGUE and why you never manage to beat Chelsea or Man United in the LEAGUE or why you are only good in cup games.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:18 pm

    when you're LOSING.

    Sorry left out the word LOSING, i'll be sure to include it in future Wink
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    Post by L r d Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:20 pm

    Parks Lives wrote:This has to be the most boring article ever.

    Big babies.

    Why start a thread about it anyway, when it was in the Liverpool thread. Just a drastic cry for some more love and effection, because Liverpool can never have enough. Rolling Eyes

    How about he answers why you play some of the most boring football in the LEAGUE and why you never manage to beat Chelsea or Man United in the LEAGUE or why you are only good in cup games.

    We don't have to... We justify ourselves by winning the Champions LEAGUE.

    Right up there with the LEAGUE cup.
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    Post by L r d Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:21 pm

    Guess the boring football isnt a myth Laughing
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:22 pm

    Exactly, you can't talk about anything good you've done in the league can you?
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    Post by L r d Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:22 pm

    Parks Lives wrote:Exactly, you can't talk about anything good you've done in the league can you?

    Except win it 18 times... no.
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    Post by COTR Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:23 pm

    true... it's a long and pretty boring read....


    but not half as boring as listening to the same endless tripe about rotation, gerrard, how poor we are at set pieces etc etc week on week in the press..

    As is said.. no need for any comments on it... just enjoy reading and gaining some extra knowledge on the topics so that you are not going on fabricated press stories Smile
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    Post by L r d Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:23 pm

    l r d wrote:Guess the boring football isnt a myth Laughing

    10 goals in 3 games.
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    Post by COTR Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:25 pm

    l r d wrote:Guess the boring football isnt a myth Laughing
    true... just ask mr barry..


    Aston Villa captain Gareth Barry believes Liverpool played some of the best football he has ever faced on Saturday.
    The left winger admitted his side couldn't get near the Reds in a first half which ended 3-0 to the home side.

    "You've got to give credit to Liverpool, first half. That's some of the best football I've played against, like the Liverpool name, pass and move," he said.

    "We struggled to get near the ball in the first half and, when we did, credit to them for closing us down




    Another myth sorted


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    Post by Tweesus Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:25 pm

    But its crap!

    He says that rotation isn't a problem when it CLEARLY is! Doh

    And then he tries to justify it by saying that you played better at the weekend Rolling Eyes
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    Post by COTR Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:26 pm

    Tweedledum wrote:But its crap!

    He says that rotation isn't a problem when it CLEARLY is! Doh

    And then he tries to justify it by saying that you played better at the weekend Rolling Eyes
    What I don't get is that going into last weekend's fixtures, Benítez had made only one change more than Alex Ferguson in the Premiership: 30, to 29. Chelsea were the third-most rotated team. So rotation, as a concept, doesn't work? Hmm
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:27 pm

    COTR wrote:true... it's a long and pretty boring read....

    Smile

    That's a fine summary of nowadays Liverpool Wink
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    Post by L r d Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:27 pm

    COTR wrote:
    l r d wrote:Guess the boring football isnt a myth Laughing
    true... just ask mr barry..


    Aston Villa captain Gareth Barry believes Liverpool played some of the best football he has ever faced on Saturday.
    The left winger admitted his side couldn't get near the Reds in a first half which ended 3-0 to the home side.

    "You've got to give credit to Liverpool, first half. That's some of the best football I've played against, like the Liverpool name, pass and move," he said.

    "We struggled to get near the ball in the first half and, when we did, credit to them for closing us down




    Another myth sorted

    lol! Are you celtic fans in disguise, block out the bad stuff and just print the praises, Even that bore didnt attempt to show liverpool are not boring, it's an impossible task
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:29 pm

    Yes, but Man Utd have rotated intelligently - they're top players have generally played except if they have been injured or suspended.

    Benitez has just rotated for the sake of it, esp in attack
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:29 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Tweedledum wrote:But its crap!

    He says that rotation isn't a problem when it CLEARLY is! Doh

    And then he tries to justify it by saying that you played better at the weekend Rolling Eyes
    What I don't get is that going into last weekend's fixtures, Benítez had made only one change more than Alex Ferguson in the Premiership: 30, to 29. Chelsea were the third-most rotated team. So rotation, as a concept, doesn't work? Hmm

    Nothing to do with the fact, Neville, Heinze, Evra, Vidic, Carrick, Scholes, Ronaldo, Giggs, Park, Ole, Saha, Rooney have all been injured or suspended at some stages.

    Our's have been forced.
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    Post by L r d Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:30 pm

    Because Gerrard, Alonso, Gonzalez, Fowler, Aurelio, Agger, Hyypia, Carragher, Zenden, Pennant and Sissoko have all been fit throughout?
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:32 pm

    Attack has been the problem though and Fowler wouldn't have been a first team reg anyhow!

    Crouch should have been playing far more than he has done
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:52 pm

    Some very good points.

    The zonal marking thing was started by Hansen in Benitez' 1st season.


    The 2 best teams in Europe that season were Liverpool and Milan and they both used zonal.


    With regards to people having a go at squad rotation:

    Why do they think Capello's Roma fell apart in the 2nd half of season 2003/2004?

    Why did Capello's Juve have a massive slump last spring ?

    Why can Capello's teams never produce big performances in the latter stages of CL ?

    People should look into this before slagging off Benitez.

    Final questions:

    a) What do you think will happen to Capello's Real team in Spring 2007 when they are competing for 2 big trophies ?

    b) Approximately how much urine (in mililitres) will I piss in to my pants when the inevitable happens to "loss Galacticoss" ?
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    Post by Saintsar Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:31 pm

    a) They'll crash out of the Champions League to the first club that can defend properly

    b) 2 pints
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:46 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:With regards to people having a go at squad rotation:

    Why do they think Capello's Roma fell apart in the 2nd half of season 2003/2004?
    The same small group of 13-14 players burned out (Emerson was awesome that year BTW)


    Pierre Littbarski wrote:Why did Capello's Juve have a massive slump last spring ?
    This is different. The referee & Moggi had been found out by then Razz


    Pierre Littbarski wrote:Why can Capello's teams never produce big performances in the latter stages of CL ?
    They are all too slow.



    Final questions:
    Pierre Littbarski wrote:a) What do you think will happen to Capello's Real team in Spring 2007 when they are competing for 2 big trophies ?
    They won't be competing for those 2 trophies. They'll be bounced out by the 1st more athletic side they come across, and Barca will be out of sight in La Liga once Eto'o comes back.

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:b) Approximately how much urine (in mililitres) will I piss in to my pants when the inevitable happens to "loss Galacticoss" ?
    6 pints of beer to get wasted during the game + 2 Packets of crisps to soak it up / 90 mins =

    2.6 ltrs Wink
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    Post by fcb Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:02 am

    Laugh

    Great post TeamSpirit. Obviously I like (and agree and hope it's true) with the main subject of Pierre's post too.

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