Oranje top of the FIFA table!!!

blutgraetsche wrote:You can't make this up...

Der Kunst-Berg ruft

Ganz Holland lachte: Der Journalist Thijs Zonneveld schlug in einer Kolumne scherzhaft vor, man solle doch einen 2000-Meter-Berg ins öde niederländische Plattland bauen, um Touristen und Sportler anzulocken. Plötzlich fragen sich manche: Ja, warum eigentlich nicht?

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,781825,00.html

good idea

btw what has that to do that holland is currently the best football nation in the world ?

Just as much as this thread / the FiFA rankings have to do with Holland being 'the best team in the world'.

Tonignt is a great game between the BEST team in the world against the WORST team in the world. In other words Netherlands - San Marino!

the best team in the world won with 11-0 from the worst team in the world!!

Okay, after the era of this midfield...

-----MvB--De Jong
--------Sneijder
Kuyt---RvP---Robben

+ VdV

How would Holland look like?

Been supporting Holland since I was a boy, but not a fan of eredivisie

The only one that comes in mind is Affelay

Don't know whether Van Wolfswinkel or Castaignos or Van Velzen will become the other one

Pras_tama wrote:Okay, after the era of this midfield...

-----MvB--De Jong
--------Sneijder
Kuyt---RvP---Robben

+ VdV

How would Holland look like?

Been supporting Holland since I was a boy, but not a fan of eredivisie

The only one that comes in mind is Affelay

Don't know whether Van Wolfswinkel or Castaignos or Van Velzen will become the other one

Strooooman

This generation right now is extremely gifted. especially the attacking midfielders are exceptional. Not sure the young ones can overcome that one

AMF: Elia, Wijnaldum, Afellay, Cabral, Rodney Sneijder (younger bro), Luuk and Siem de Jong, De Guzman,
DFM: Strootman, Schaars, Maduro

It is always to see if they can make it to the top but there are some really gifted players out there

We are slightly behind Spain n Germany in term of young gifted players, aren't we?

blutgraetsche wrote:You can't make this up...

Der Kunst-Berg ruft

Ganz Holland lachte: Der Journalist Thijs Zonneveld schlug in einer Kolumne scherzhaft vor, man solle doch einen 2000-Meter-Berg ins öde niederländische Plattland bauen, um Touristen und Sportler anzulocken. Plötzlich fragen sich manche: Ja, warum eigentlich nicht?

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,781825,00.html

He wrote that column after we failed to win another mountainstage in the TDF. The funny thing is, many people were like...why not!

Zuerst war es nur eine Idee, nun wird schon ein Standort gesucht: Die Niederländer wollen sich einen Berg bauen
Andrea Ege

Alles ist möglich in den Niederlanden. Zumindest bautechnisch scheuen die Holländer vor wenig zurück. Der Rotterdamer Hafen wird zu klein? Dann ringen die Niederländer der See noch mehr Boden ab und bauen an, bis jemand warnt, dass gleich Großbritannien beginnt. Die Küste ist zu niedrig? Dann wird sie mit mehr und höheren Deichen umstellt. Und wenn die Niederländer bei der sportlichen Höhenbewältigung Land gewinnen wollen? Dann bauen sie sich einen Berg.

Die Idee setzte der Sportjournalist Thijs Zonneveld am 29.Juli in die Welt. In einer Kolumne schrieb er sich den Frust des dynamischen Flachländers vom Leib und forderte: einen Berg. Um den holländischen Bobfahrern bei den Olympischen Spielen die Angst vor der Abfahrt zu nehmen! Um die nationalen Radfahrer besser vor Ort trainieren zu lassen! Und überhaupt: Um die Welt mit besseren Skifahrern, Schanzenspringern und Snowboardern zu beeindrucken!

Der Aufruf kam an. Kurz darauf klackerten die Tastaturen von einem ganzen Heer an Freiwilligen und das Internet füllte sich. Bei Facebook wurde "Die Berg Komt Er"-Gruppe gegründet, zu deutsch: Der Berg kommt. Auch bei Twitter gibt es mehr als 2000 Anhänger. Auch eine Website ging online für alle Bergfans. Auf Google Earth ist der jetzt schon sagenumwobene Gipfel bereits in 3D zu sehen. Leidenschaftlich widmen sich auch immer mehr Ingenieure, Unternehmer und Marketing-Menschen den Fakten: 2000 Meter soll der Berg hoch werden. Standort: am besten in Flevoland - ein ohnehin dem Meer abgerungenes Gebiet, landschaftlich jung, dünn besiedelt. Wenn dort der Berg stünde, so scherzt man im Netz, müssten die Niederländer nicht mehr im Ausland Bergferien machen. Der Tourismus würde florieren. Und die bisher höchste holländische Erhebung, der Vaalserberg mit seinen 322 Metern, einen großen Bruder bekommen.

Nicht nur virtuell buckelt der "nederlandse Berg" schon jetzt in die Höhe. Am Dienstag trafen sich rund 50 Köpfe aus Wirtschaft, Sport und Werbung mit Ingenieuren zum Brainstorming - unter ihnen auch Vertreter des holländischen Ski- und Radsportverbandes. Gemeinsam denkt man darüber nach: Woraus wird er gebaut? Steine, Abfall, Felsen? Was soll alles drauf? Skipisten, Montainbike-Parcours, Bob-Bahnen, Wildwasserbahnen? Häuser, Restaurants, Garagen? Wann kann man mit den ersten Winterspielen starten in Holland? Wie viel kostet so ein Berg? Und wann wird er fertig sein?

"Vielleicht dauert es lange. Vielleicht dauert es kurz", sagt Thijs Zonneveld. "Aber der Berg kommt."



Im hoping it will be 3000m so we have a higher mountain then Germany, would be typical of you lot to annex Austria again to have the biggest again me thinks!

At least 200 billion euros, but for that we have more chance in the Tour de France, a yellow jersey is allowed to cost something

Pras_tama wrote:We are slightly behind Spain n Germany in term of young gifted players, aren't we?

Yes and No.

Holland never had that much strength in dept as other countries, but that makes sense, small country innit. But luckily you only need 11 men for football.

If you look at the current squad (the draft of 1983-1986) Midget, VDV,RVP, Affelay, Robben etc. It totally shits on Schweini, Lahm, Poldi etc.

But the Dutch draft from 1987-1989, they even won 2 U21 ec's isnt all that. Aissatti,van der Wiel, S.de jong, Drenthe, De Guzman, Bruins, Babel etc. look weak compared to Ozil, Mueller, Kroos, Neuer, Khedira etc.

But the drafts from 1990-onwards, van Wolfswinkel,Strootman, Fer, Wijnaldum, L.de Jong, Bruma, van Aanholt, Anchabar, de Vilenha, Castaignos, Clasie, Ake, Elvis, Ramsteijn, van Haaren, de Vrij, Isoufi look all very promising.

But our 83-86 squad is still young, and better then the young ones. And that latter counts for the most in football, though Wenger and Low seem to think different. And lets face it, it easier to replace Kuyranyi or Frings when you are young and talented then van Persie or van der Vaart.

i tend to agree with fey.. the two times oranje under 21 won the euro title are weaker than the current players that won totally nothing in oranje under 21.

It does not say that much.

We are producing again many talents but are they super talents like Robben, Vdv, sneijder or Van Persie? I'm not so sure they were outstanding at the age of 16 and today i can't see outstanding players at that age

Fey and Ricardo

So how'd Holland look like with the draft from 1987-1990?

Maybe like this?

--------------------Krul
Vd Wiel------?------------?-------Pieters
------------Strootman--Maduro
---------------------Affelay
Castaignos--V. Wolfswinkel--Elia

vlaar and bruma are the ---? -- ?---

Ricardo Jol wrote:i tend to agree with fey.. the two times oranje under 21 won the euro title are weaker than the current players that won totally nothing in oranje under 21.

It does not say that much.

We are producing again many talents but are they super talents like Robben, Vdv, sneijder or Van Persie? I'm not so sure they were outstanding at the age of 16 and today i can't see outstanding players at that age

Hmmm...only Robben was instantly good. Midget was already 19 or so when he played his first game, VDV took some time as well, and RVP had mental issues in the beginning, his first season was his most succesful though.

Pras_tama wrote:Fey and Ricardo

So how'd Holland look like with the draft from 1987-1990?

Maybe like this?

--------------------Krul
Vd Wiel------?------------?-------Pieters
------------Strootman--Maduro
---------------------Affelay
Castaignos--V. Wolfswinkel--Elia

Vlaar is from 1986 I believe, and Castaignos is 1992.


--------------------Krul
Vd Wiel------Marcelis-----Maduro-----Anita
------------Strootman--Affelay
--------------De Guzman
Lens-------S.de Jong/van Wolfswinkel-------Elia

Bench: Toornstra, Beerens, Bruma, Zoet, Biseswar, Dost, Roorda

Something like this I reckon doubt I forgot one, nothing special tbh, should be able to compete with England/Belgium etc.

Spain are no. 1 again..... next month after beating Liechtenstein by 6-0!

Fey wrote:, Elvis, Ramsteijn

You are making these names up.

Otherwise a remarkably sensible post!

Allez les rouges wrote:

Fey wrote:, Elvis, Ramsteijn

You are making these names up.

Otherwise a remarkably sensible post!

...no.

Me and SuperMario were hoping for years he would make it, cause lets face it, a defender named Rammsteijn=WIN.

And since this season, he is a starter even ffs, though thats cause our LB's Indi and Nelom are injured!! Shame he is a bit rubbish at LB, but then again he is CB from origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaj_Ramsteijn

As for Elvis, he was close to his debut last week.

http://www.feyenoordacademy.nl/?option=com_club&view=member&id=214%3A10363&Itemid=61

The king is back

Anyway, a team with Cabral, Ramsteijn, Elvis, Kongolo, Trindade de Vilenha, Mulder, Clasie certainly rivals Bayer Leverkussen as team with the best NAMES!

As for my posts....they ALWAYS make sense

One problem. "Ramsteijn" does not look like a "Ramsteijn..." He'd rather looks like a cute "Kaj"....

http://www.google.nl/search?q=kaj+ramsteijn&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozillaofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=nl&tab=wi&biw=1440&bih=727

Look how hardcore he looks!! NAILS!

Btw...4th row, third picture, click on it and look where it will lead you to

Ah well Kaasköppe, it was nice while it lasted ey.

http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=500014&tx_dfbnews_pi1[showUid]=29253&tx_dfbnews_pi4[cat]=56

Die Top 10 im Überblick: 1. Spananien 1605, 2. Müllabfuhr 1571, 3. Deutschland 1290, 4. Uruguay 1184, 5. Portugal 1158, 6. Italien 1142, 7. Brasilien 1132, 8. Affen 1089, 9. Kroatien 1057, 10. Argentinien 1024.

/care.

We have been there, thats all that matters...and of course the fact that the difference between Holland and Germany is bigger then between Spermany and Croatia!! Or England for that matter!



Aint Dutch it aint much, God created Dutch etc etc

Allez les rouges wrote:Ah well Kaasköppe, it was nice while it lasted ey.

http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=500014&tx_dfbnews_pi1[showUid]=29253&tx_dfbnews_pi4[cat]=56

Die Top 10 im Überblick: 1. Spananien 1605, 2. Müllabfuhr 1571, 3. Deutschland 1290, 4. Uruguay 1184, 5. Portugal 1158, 6. Italien 1142, 7. Brasilien 1132, 8. Affen 1089, 9. Kroatien 1057, 10. Argentinien 1024.

It is so unjustified ....