Oranje Thread

Drie Europees kampioenen in selectie Oranje



Bondscoaches Marco van Basten en John van 't Schip hebben drie spelers -Urby Emanuelson (20), Klaas Jan Huntelaar (22) en Stijn Schaars (22)- van de kampioensploeg van Jong Oranje opgenomen in de selectie van het Nederlands elftal voor de oefeninterland in en tegen Ierland.

De selectie ziet er als volgt uit:

Edwin van der Sar, Henk Timmer, Tim de Cler, Urby Emanuelson, John Heitinga, Kew Jaliens, Joris Mathijsen, André Ooijer, Nigel de Jong, Denny Landzaat, Stijn Schaars, Wesley Sneijder, Rafael van der Vaart, Klaas Jan Huntelaar, Dirk Kuyt, Robin van Persie, Arjen Robben, Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink.

NO van Nistelrooy and van Bommel IS this signs of things to come...

Maybe Van Bommel and Gio Van Bronckhorst were left out at the request of Rijkaard because they have the Spanish Super Cup to play for on the 17th.

Is this the Wes Brown thread?

@ toon h

a possibility, but some say their days are numbered...not sure if they have a future at the Nou Camp (Gio meet Zambrotta...)

@ Sir Parks Lives

Nope this thread has nothing to do with Wes Brown ...

Sir Parks Lives wrote:Is this the Wes Brown thread?

Nothing to do with Scholes either.

I'm getting sick and tired of the way how any player from Ajax (or with an Ajax past) is blindly selected for Oranje while the non-Ajax players are being made the scapegoats.

Heitinga and Sneijder *again* ?!

Haven't we learned anything from the WC ?

Demi de Zeeuw for Sneijder and Serginho Greene for Heitinga please !

(From UEFA.Com)

Huntelaar handed senior chance

Klaas Jan Huntelaar has been named in the Netherlands squad for next Wednesday's friendly against the Republic of Ireland in Dublin but there is no place for Ruud van Nistelrooij.

Under-21 graduates

Fresh from scoring twice in AFC Ajax's 2-1 UEFA Champions League third qualifying round win at FC København, 22-year-old Huntelaar has made the step up to the seniors. He is joined by 20-year-old Ajax colleague Urby Emanuelson and 22-year-old AZ Alkmaar midfielder Stijn Schaars, his team-mates from the victorious Jong Oranje campaign at this summer's UEFA European Under-21 Championship in Portugal.

Suspended pair

Khalid Boulahrouz and Giovanni van Bronckhorst are omitted, however, as both are due to miss Marco van Basten's side's opening UEFA EURO 2008™ qualifier on 2 September through suspension. The experienced Van Nistelrooij and Mark van Bommel are absent for selection reasons while Phillip Cocu has retired from international football.

Axeslammer ! wrote:I'm getting sick and tired of the way how any player from Ajax (or with an Ajax past) is blindly selected for Oranje while the non-Ajax players are being made the scapegoats.

Heitinga and Sneijder *again* ?!

Haven't we learned anything from the WC ?

Demi de Zeeuw for Sneijder and Serginho Greene for Heitinga please !

Whole heartedly agree. I'm really stretching my imagination to see us winning anything with MvB and his "policies".

Greene should be a no brainer really.

Sneijder >>> De Zeeuw No question! He only has to play on his REAL position not the DFM!

Heitinga the way he played against Kopenhagen doesn't deserve a call up but then he didnt play that bad at the World Cup...

ricardojol wrote:Sneijder >>> De Zeeuw No question!

No question indeed Sneijder is just about good enough to tie Demi's shoelaces.

The midget can't even take a decent corner ffs and he just keeps claiming the ball all the time....

A direct comparison is useless as Sneijder is supposed to be an attacking midfielder ? (he wastes heaps of chances, doesn't defend and only plays sideway passes) and De Zeeuw is a defensive/controlling midfielder (he's a balltaker and a constructive player in buildup with a great working ethos).

Oranje fans,

If you're in the slightest bit bored please feel free to come over to the Liverpool thread ( http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/viewtopic.forum?t=11&start=140 ) and put my fellow Liverpool fans minds at ease about Kuijt. There's so little positivity about him, following a poor qorld cup.

Also, while on this thread, can someone please explain to me what sneijder is good at?!

He's a decent passer, but no Xavi. He lacks the dynamism of a Gerrard, the guile of a Riqulme. He hasn't the strength of a Diarra or the trickery of a Ronaldo.

He seems to be a well balanced player, who's just slightly above average in all departments. Maybe those who watch him week in, week out - as opposed to once or twice a month on channel 5 - can tell what the big deal about him is exactly.

Axeslammer ! wrote:

ricardojol wrote:Sneijder >>> De Zeeuw No question!

No question indeed Sneijder is just about good enough to tie Demi's shoelaces.

The midget can't even take a decent corner ffs and he just keeps claiming the ball all the time....

A direct comparison is useless as Sneijder is supposed to be an attacking midfielder ? (he wastes heaps of chances, doesn't defend and only plays sideway passes) and De Zeeuw is a defensive/controlling midfielder (he's a balltaker and a constructive player in buildup with a great working ethos).

Sneijder is NO DEFENSIVE midfielder so in fact he is hard to compare with De Zeeuw...

Sneijder needs to play forward to put his aggression in the game. When he is aggressive he is at his best!

When he plays the DFM role he needs to be cool and that's NOT his strength. It is the same as a Gerrard as a Defensive Midfielder. Not a good combination...

Sneijder is such a player who can break open a dead game by a strong distance shot and is completely two footed..!

BTW

The new Oranje squad shows even more that Marco van Basten chose the "compromise way" at the World Cup.

Why did he play with Van Bommel against Portugal while he never saw in him a good player...?

That's still a mystery to me. Van Basten showed till the World Cup a clear vision but at the World Cup he completely walked of his line....

Sack Marco van Basten now!!!!

He is a clearly incapable for this job. The man is nothing more then the puppet of JC with no self vision. The most disgusting part of it, is our national media. Advocaat would be slaughtered if he made the mistakes like MvB did.

It was a good thing that he started with alot of young players, but players like Heitinga and Sneijder are just not good enough. What can Heitinga do what Greene cant???

I hope the KNVB realises what they are doing and give the job to a man that has a real vision:Co Adriaanse..

Heitinga or Greene. Hmm toughy.

vBasten is clearly losing it and it's a shame that a squad with such great potential is being wasted by a incapable manager.

I do want Co as our manager but it could turn out to be a new van Gaal as national manager.

Fey wrote:Sack Marco van Basten now!!!!

He is a clearly incapable for this job. The man is nothing more then the puppet of JC with no self vision. The most disgusting part of it, is our national media. Advocaat would be slaughtered if he made the mistakes like MvB did.

It was a good thing that he started with alot of young players, but players like Heitinga and Sneijder are just not good enough. What can Heitinga do what Greene cant???

I hope the KNVB realises what they are doing and give the job to a man that has a real vision:Co Adriaanse..

He has vision and did an outstanding job till the World Cup! Like most of the inexperienced coaches he also made mistakes but that's no reason to sack him!

Fey wrote:Sack Marco van Basten now!!!!

He is a clearly incapable for this job. The man is nothing more then the puppet of JC with no self vision. The most disgusting part of it, is our national media. Advocaat would be slaughtered if he made the mistakes like MvB did.

It was a good thing that he started with alot of young players, but players like Heitinga and Sneijder are just not good enough. What can Heitinga do what Greene cant???

I hope the KNVB realises what they are doing and give the job to a man that has a real vision:Co Adriaanse..

He has vision and did an outstanding job till the World Cup! Like most of the inexperienced coaches he also made mistakes but that's no reason to sack him!

"Smoking fat ass and live enyoyer" Theo Janssen in Oranje!!!!

He replaces midget Sneijder. His wife is getting a little midget baby....

Van Basten can make mistakes, but he has to learn from them.

He obviously does not : hit the road Marco !

So it's safe to say that the 'San Marco' days are over? How does the press treat him these days? And what about the fans? What are the expectations for 2008? Do you think that the FA might fire him should Holland fail to impress or even struggle in the Euro qualification?

San Marco's reign is stronger then ever. After our failed WC2006 campaign, our national media was very mild against Mvb. The fans are more divided, especially because of his selection policy (very ajax minded.)

If he fails during the qualification, or even at the Euro's self, then he will resign i thinks. Not even Johan Cruijff can even defend him then, when he fails again.

In Co we trust!!!

No need to fire the coach! Marco's renewing of Oranje works very good so I can't see why his days would be over!

ricardojol wrote:No need to fire the coach! Marco's renewing of Oranje works very good so I can't see why his days would be over!

On what basis do you say it works very good?

Qualifying results; pre Wc matches!

Many young players easily fit in the team

team spirit was good

Marco has a vision and needs to progress his job on it

to sack a coach hardly works

his work with the press is good

the players have a lot of confidence in him

he won almost every game

the goal and, measure point is Euro 2008!!!!!!!

etc. etc.

Okay, he made mistakes but that's normal for a young coach. I think you remember, for instance, Rijkaard at Sparta and Barcelona. A trainer who learnt a lot in a few years time!



And did we win against Portugal with Davids, Seedorf and Co????? We were outplayed by them at Euro 2004!

blutgraetsche wrote:So it's safe to say that the 'San Marco' days are over? How does the press treat him these days? And what about the fans? What are the expectations for 2008? Do you think that the FA might fire him should Holland fail to impress or even struggle in the Euro qualification?

Our FA, the KNVB, offered him a contract extension imediately after the WC.

There are plenty of fans who are more realistic though.


His biggest true mistake was getting cold feet before the WC after the succesful qualifying was done. He got second doubts about the young squad, and fucked with a winning formula. He culled key players (Opdam)and puts fodder instead (Heitinga, Jaliens), thus missing with the team "harmony". Everyone needed to get reacquinted again during the WC. Especially the defense suffered.

I don't mind certain mistakes, but Marco doesn't learn from them and he isn't rational either. He's pathetically biased towards Ajax - which is good if they have the players - but he selects overhyped underperforming bench warmers for our first XI instead. He fails to select the true team, then fails the start our best players (Boulah on the bench every game , Kromkamp not used). Can't find a balance in the midfield during the WC (too attacking, while the team was helping the shit defense out).

All that and yet he fails to see anything wrong with our and his WC peformance. It was an underwhelming below average: we played ugly and shit, kept our better players on the bench (Boulah, Kromkamp, RVN) and couldn't direct towards a win (portugal).
During a press conference, after he was asked to grade our WC campaign, he infamously gave himself a 7!!!!!!!

Now he anounced that RVN and Van Bomel don't have anything to look to in Oranje (that their careers in oranje are unofficialy over)!
Is he fucking retarded???


As long as he's our manager we will win fuck all. And we'll play very unatractive. What good is playing young players, if your selection is flawed and your playing policies are shit? None. We can look forward now to more years of Heitinga, Babel & friends. Oh joy.

Is it clear enough Blut?

Thank you for your input guys. Reading the international press is one thing, but reading various opinions from the fans is a completely different matter. I believe the latter to be more accurate, especially if you have both camps, pro- and anti-MVB, articulating their views.

I kinda agree with the critics - MVB basically did everything right during the WC qualification, just to bottle it for the WC itself. I still don't understand some of his decisions Dutchman mentioned.

Believe it or not, I'd like him to succeed. Not as successful as the Mannschaft, of course, but I really would like to see one of my all time favourite players do well. He proved that he can do that in the WC qualification, hopefully he'll go back to the 'winning formula'. Axing RVN wasn't exactly what I would call a step in the right direction though...

@ dutch fans

who do you rate higher RVP or Robben?

RVP in my opinion. he is a class act.

After the wc its Rvp for most Dutchies, but he always had more talent then Robben anyway.

I will say RVP, because he played for Feyenoord.

I be serious RVP has more to his game, both extremely gifted players and San Marco is lucky to have them both...but RVP has the complete package..

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:@ dutch fans

who do you rate higher RVP or Robben?

RVP in my opinion. he is a class act.

RVP has always been the more talented one. He's unbelievably gifted on all possibble aspects. Technique, skill, tricks, brain, vision, apce, versatility, I can go on.

Robben is very good too, but he relies more on his pace than RVP does. Robben also has less of a brain than RVP: the difference is, wheneevr RVP makes a run (with the ball) he has a plan and knows what he wants to do beforehand; whenever Robben makes a run, he takes the ball gets past the defenders than faces a figurative wall - he has to think again. He never has a plan the way RVP does. That's when you want to be very critical of Robben - he's obviously class. But RVP is a WPOY in the making.

They're both very very gifted.