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Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
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Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by The-Frank-Tavern Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:21 pm
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by blutgraetsche Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:22 pm
blutgraetsche wrote:Will he get the sack if Ajax don't qualify for the CL again?
Blaming everything on him is not really fair though. Selling your most important players before this crucial match, you can't really expect him to do wonders with the squad.
Asked the same in the European Cups section, guess it's more appropriate here.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Machiavel Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:31 pm
I don't blame him (HTC) , hes just incompetent .. doesn't even play , players in their *best* role , quality hungry players dropped , exciting youth players who deserve a chance .. pissed on etc. What he should do is , contact Louis van Gaal and ask him this , "Louis , how can i operate a 3-4-3 formation ?". He should be sacked and Co Adriaanse appointed or even Marco van Basten , who i reckon can be a good club coach and his heart bleeds Ajax .. but this seems unlikely , i feel so so sorry for Huntelaar , the idiot is killing him .. Ten Cate is a GREAT assistant , like he was to Rijkaard at Barcelona , that is all.
Its not his fault Sneijder left , by far Ajaxs best player .. the 'bastards in charge' decided to sell the clubs soul , from June they had no desire to sign quality players and ask yourself this , will the club *ever* sign anymore decent players because the club is no longer a 'top club' as i have defended in the past , it is today a 'mickey mouse' club .. the 'bastards' (van Geel + Jaakke) are pissing on van Gaal's dream + vision 15yrs ago and to some extent Cruyffs 20yrs ago .. in which development will take precedent and quality scouting will bring in fine players ... i say the club is dieing and a revolution is needed , a revolution. I cant do nothing , all i can do is pray Ajax dont reach the CL and Johan Cruyff takes over (he has enough power).
Its not his fault Sneijder left , by far Ajaxs best player .. the 'bastards in charge' decided to sell the clubs soul , from June they had no desire to sign quality players and ask yourself this , will the club *ever* sign anymore decent players because the club is no longer a 'top club' as i have defended in the past , it is today a 'mickey mouse' club .. the 'bastards' (van Geel + Jaakke) are pissing on van Gaal's dream + vision 15yrs ago and to some extent Cruyffs 20yrs ago .. in which development will take precedent and quality scouting will bring in fine players ... i say the club is dieing and a revolution is needed , a revolution. I cant do nothing , all i can do is pray Ajax dont reach the CL and Johan Cruyff takes over (he has enough power).
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by blutgraetsche Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:33 pm
All this sounds pretty sad to be honest with you, I understand your frustration. Hopefully, better times lie ahead for you and your club, it would be a pity if incompetent idiots ruin a club with such a great tradition. 
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Machiavel Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:38 pm
van Geel + Jaakke are good guys , but they simply have no idea
van Geel (something like this) "i am proud to say that we sold two of our players who came from our youth team to two top European teams" .. what FUCKING message does this send ! , yes i know the money was good , yes i know Ajax can never in their dreams compete with these teams. But if you have the foundation work with it don't dismantle it I pray ONE day , Ajax will develop 5-6 players who will say .. "no i want to spend my years at this club + in Dutch football and make this team one of the top European sides again"
What pisses me off is , this year Jaakke threw a celebration for Cruyffs 60th birthday , and van Geel was there .. the bastards had the nerve to celebrate with a man who as a manager laid the foundations for Ajax being a 'modern' club .. and these 2 men simply have no clue , the signings this summer are a JOKE .. i've said it before if players are coming through who are decent they come 1st .. this is what van Gaal wanted.
van Geel (something like this) "i am proud to say that we sold two of our players who came from our youth team to two top European teams" .. what FUCKING message does this send ! , yes i know the money was good , yes i know Ajax can never in their dreams compete with these teams. But if you have the foundation work with it don't dismantle it I pray ONE day , Ajax will develop 5-6 players who will say .. "no i want to spend my years at this club + in Dutch football and make this team one of the top European sides again"
What pisses me off is , this year Jaakke threw a celebration for Cruyffs 60th birthday , and van Geel was there .. the bastards had the nerve to celebrate with a man who as a manager laid the foundations for Ajax being a 'modern' club .. and these 2 men simply have no clue , the signings this summer are a JOKE .. i've said it before if players are coming through who are decent they come 1st .. this is what van Gaal wanted.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Ricardo Jol Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:13 pm
Henk ten Cate is to blame he let Kenneth Perez go to PSV!
He hated Kenneth after he made a racist remark to a assistent referee! Nevertheless Kenneth Perez was Ajax' best player. He was even better than Sneijder!
He hated Kenneth after he made a racist remark to a assistent referee! Nevertheless Kenneth Perez was Ajax' best player. He was even better than Sneijder!
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Super Progress Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:32 pm
Perez used to be my favourite danish player but after those comments he can go to hell for all i care. from a morale point of view Henk ten cate did the right thing.Ricardo Jol wrote:Henk ten Cate is to blame he let Kenneth Perez go to PSV!
He hated Kenneth after he made a racist remark to a assistent referee! Nevertheless Kenneth Perez was Ajax' best player. He was even better than Sneijder!
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Machiavel Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:37 pm
supermadrid wrote:Perez used to be my favourite danish player but after those comments he can go to hell for all i care. from a morale point of view Henk ten cate did the right thing.Ricardo Jol wrote:Henk ten Cate is to blame he let Kenneth Perez go to PSV!
He hated Kenneth after he made a racist remark to a assistent referee! Nevertheless Kenneth Perez was Ajax' best player. He was even better than Sneijder!
Personal matters should not effect his judgement , what Perez said was wrong , but he should have been benched for footballing reasons.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by blutgraetsche Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:40 pm
Well, if you have black players in your squad, it's not really beneficial for the team spirit to keep a racist tard who calls others "cancer niggers".
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Machiavel Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:44 pm
Perez actually apoligised for his behaviour and did some community service and I'm not sure the 'team spirit' in the team would decline with him around.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Fey Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:48 pm
blutgraetsche wrote:Well, if you have black players in your squad, it's not really beneficial for the team spirit to keep a racist tard who calls others "cancer niggers".
True....but then again Sneijder and Ten Cate himself. Did say harsh things as well against other people last season. Perez just wanted to play more, but TC preferred Babel.
If I were Ten Cate I should quit with it. There is a shitload of money...but they dont spend anything. The Jews want him out so that Adriaanse can build a new team!!
Its already been done, Adriaanse refused to work at Feyenoord and Utrecht....this tells you he knows more.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by SuperMario Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:53 pm
Either that (VERY likely) or they already know Van Basten is going to quit Holland after EC2008.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Machiavel Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:56 pm
Ten Cate Dimisión
van Basten próximo entrenador
van Basten próximo entrenador
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by SuperMario Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:08 pm
Would be typical 020 behaviour: use their power at the Dutch FA to get unexperienced van Basten a 4 year apprenticeship with Holland, ruining 1 WC and not even qualifying for the EC, so he can return more experienced to Ajax.
Wonder which players he'll sign... Sno?
Wonder which players he'll sign... Sno?
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Machiavel Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:14 pm
jonathan de guzman wrote:Would be typical 020 behaviour: use their power at the Dutch FA to get unexperienced van Basten a 4 year apprenticeship with Holland, ruining 1 WC and not even qualifying for the EC, so he can return more experienced to Ajax.
Wonder which players he'll sign... Sno?
What i had in mind was , MVB to relinquish his managerial role for Oranje , join a club side .. none better than Ajax which he previously worked for , so he could give quality 'hungry' youth players a chance , something HTC is not doing
btw i posted this on the Eredivisie thread: what do you make of : *Gregory van der Wiel , *Jeffrey Sarpong and * John Goossens .. all 3 in the Ajax 1st team.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by SuperMario Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:25 pm
*Gregory van der Wiel - seen too little of. he's supposed to be goodRaifael wrote:jonathan de guzman wrote:Would be typical 020 behaviour: use their power at the Dutch FA to get unexperienced van Basten a 4 year apprenticeship with Holland, ruining 1 WC and not even qualifying for the EC, so he can return more experienced to Ajax.
Wonder which players he'll sign... Sno?
What i had in mind was , MVB to relinquish his managerial role for Oranje , join a club side .. none better than Ajax which he previously worked for , so he could give quality 'hungry' youth players a chance , something HTC is not doing
btw i posted this on the Eredivisie thread: what do you make of : *Gregory van der Wiel , *Jeffrey Sarpong and * John Goossens .. all 3 in the Ajax 1st team.
*Jeffrey Sarpong - when we talked about him before I rated him higer than you. don't know what he's like mentally, but he's VERY talented
* John Goossens - again don't know what he's like mentally, but puzzled why he hasn't played more (showed some promising signs for Holland U17), could be a good one, could be a Van der Meijde or worse.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Machiavel Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:33 pm
jonathan de guzman wrote:*Gregory van der Wiel - seen too little of. he's supposed to be goodRaifael wrote:jonathan de guzman wrote:Would be typical 020 behaviour: use their power at the Dutch FA to get unexperienced van Basten a 4 year apprenticeship with Holland, ruining 1 WC and not even qualifying for the EC, so he can return more experienced to Ajax.
Wonder which players he'll sign... Sno?
What i had in mind was , MVB to relinquish his managerial role for Oranje , join a club side .. none better than Ajax which he previously worked for , so he could give quality 'hungry' youth players a chance , something HTC is not doing
btw i posted this on the Eredivisie thread: what do you make of : *Gregory van der Wiel , *Jeffrey Sarpong and * John Goossens .. all 3 in the Ajax 1st team.
*Jeffrey Sarpong - when we talked about him before I rated him higer than you. don't know what he's like mentally, but he's VERY talented
* John Goossens - again don't know what he's like mentally, but puzzled why he hasn't played more (showed some promising signs for Holland U17), could be a good one, could be a Van der Meijde or worse.
These are the 3 'up coming' players which i have a lot of faith in , from what i've seen and reports. Despite Ten Cate putting them into the squad. What he is not doing right is giving these guys especially Goossens a run out more often , maybe in the league he will ..
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by SuperMario Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:43 pm
what I don't get is that Goossens and Sarpong did pretty well at the U17 WC 2 years ago; with average progress, we should have seen more of them, if they are really good a lot more. So something is 'wrong' & I don't think just HTC. I mean so many players who like bright at 16 just dont fulfill their promise. Less than 25% makes it. Or is HTC that Cr@p?Raifael wrote:jonathan de guzman wrote:*Gregory van der Wiel - seen too little of. he's supposed to be goodRaifael wrote:jonathan de guzman wrote:Would be typical 020 behaviour: use their power at the Dutch FA to get unexperienced van Basten a 4 year apprenticeship with Holland, ruining 1 WC and not even qualifying for the EC, so he can return more experienced to Ajax.
Wonder which players he'll sign... Sno?
What i had in mind was , MVB to relinquish his managerial role for Oranje , join a club side .. none better than Ajax which he previously worked for , so he could give quality 'hungry' youth players a chance , something HTC is not doing
btw i posted this on the Eredivisie thread: what do you make of : *Gregory van der Wiel , *Jeffrey Sarpong and * John Goossens .. all 3 in the Ajax 1st team.
*Jeffrey Sarpong - when we talked about him before I rated him higer than you. don't know what he's like mentally, but he's VERY talented
* John Goossens - again don't know what he's like mentally, but puzzled why he hasn't played more (showed some promising signs for Holland U17), could be a good one, could be a Van der Meijde or worse.
These are the 3 'up coming' players which i have a lot of faith in , from what i've seen and reports. Despite Ten Cate putting them into the squad. What he is not doing right is giving these guys especially Goossens a run out more often , maybe in the league he will ..
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*prays*jonathan de guzman wrote:Either that (VERY likely) or they already know Van Basten is going to quit Holland after EC2008.
Please let MvB quit NOW!
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Can't be just Ten Cate.jonathan de guzman wrote:what I don't get is that Goossens and Sarpong did pretty well at the U17 WC 2 years ago; with average progress, we should have seen more of them, if they are really good a lot more. So something is 'wrong' & I don't think just HTC. I mean so many players who like bright at 16 just dont fulfill their promise. Less than 25% makes it. Or is HTC that Cr@p?
I don't think its just talent eiethr - the mentality of teh kids have really changed over the past 4-5 years IMO. That's part of what makes a higher # fail.
Its also got to be something structurally at Ajax. Why would Ajax of all teams get a talentless foreign hoofer/fouler like Colin, if the can get just as an untalenetd player in the the Netherlands.
Ajax is not run like Ajax should be - profit is all they care about now.
THese are just some of the issues. THere's something really wrong with Ajax from within.
And not just that they're from Amsterdam.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Axeslammer Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:42 pm
Dream scenario :
* Ten Cate gets canned at Ajax
* Van Basten takes over at Ajax
* Adriaanse to manage Oranje
* Ten Cate gets canned at Ajax
* Van Basten takes over at Ajax
* Adriaanse to manage Oranje
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by blutgraetsche Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:44 pm
Another dream scenario:
- Ten Cate gets sacked
- Adriaanse takes over Ajax
- Ten Cate becomes assistant of Van Basten
- Ten Cate gets sacked
- Adriaanse takes over Ajax
- Ten Cate becomes assistant of Van Basten
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Axeslammer Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:58 pm
blutgraetsche wrote:
- Ten Cate becomes assistant of Van Basten
We'd be playing so Cr@p that everybody would be thinking we're Germany
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by blutgraetsche Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:03 pm
Everybody already thinks that, and is reminded of the Rumpelfußball of the Erich Ribbeck days. 
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by SuperMario Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:04 pm
My dream scenario:
Ten Cate stays at Ajax
Van Basten sacked & sentenced to 2 years in jail & TBS for damage to Dutch football.
De Haan gets a life time contract as Holland manager
Adriaanse to manage a club in Farawayistan for loads of money.
Ten Cate stays at Ajax
Van Basten sacked & sentenced to 2 years in jail & TBS for damage to Dutch football.
De Haan gets a life time contract as Holland manager
Adriaanse to manage a club in Farawayistan for loads of money.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Machiavel Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:10 pm
DD wrote:Can't be just Ten Cate.jonathan de guzman wrote:what I don't get is that Goossens and Sarpong did pretty well at the U17 WC 2 years ago; with average progress, we should have seen more of them, if they are really good a lot more. So something is 'wrong' & I don't think just HTC. I mean so many players who like bright at 16 just dont fulfill their promise. Less than 25% makes it. Or is HTC that Cr@p?
I don't think its just talent eiethr - the mentality of teh kids have really changed over the past 4-5 years IMO. That's part of what makes a higher # fail.
Its also got to be something structurally at Ajax. Why would Ajax of all teams get a talentless foreign hoofer/fouler like Colin, if the can get just as an untalenetd player in the the Netherlands.
Ajax is not run like Ajax should be - profit is all they care about now.
THese are just some of the issues. THere's something really wrong with Ajax from within.
And not just that they're from Amsterdam.
This is a sad reality , I've already aired my views
Only 2 men can save Ajax ; 1. is the coach of AZ Alkmaar and the other is the puppet master at FC Barcelona
Marco van Basten .. the greatest player Ajax has produced will be the next coach and bring back the glory days (i pray)
I wonder what Frank de Boer (Youth Coach at Ajax) , Marc Overmars (at Go Ahead Eagles) , Frank Rijkaard + Johan Neeskens (coach of FC Barcelona) , Ruud Krol etc are all thinking about the imminent death of Ajax
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by SuperMario Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:33 pm
we always had players, who were extremely gifted who didn't achieve what they could have achieved. Even if you're vary talented, you have to be dedicated to improving, not just go to the training & go home.DD wrote:Can't be just Ten Cate.jonathan de guzman wrote:what I don't get is that Goossens and Sarpong did pretty well at the U17 WC 2 years ago; with average progress, we should have seen more of them, if they are really good a lot more. So something is 'wrong' & I don't think just HTC. I mean so many players who like bright at 16 just dont fulfill their promise. Less than 25% makes it. Or is HTC that Cr@p?
I don't think its just talent eiethr - the mentality of teh kids have really changed over the past 4-5 years IMO. That's part of what makes a higher # fail.
Do you wanna be a van Basten or a Van der Gijp?
Was gutted when I heard Koeman said De Guzman wouldn't even practise freekicks for 10 minutes a day after the training after his manager suggested he should do it, because he has the skill to score 10 season from freekicks. First of all such a suggestion shouldn't be necessary, secondly he should listen to good advice and thridly Koeman should have forced him to do it. You really need to want to be the best. Still amazing the clubs, don't pay more attention to mental training/preparation. A lot to gain in that area in football.
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Not only that.jonathan de guzman wrote:we always had players, who were extremely gifted who didn't achieve what they could have achieved. Even if you're vary talented, you have to be dedicated to improving, not just go to the training & go home.DD wrote:Can't be just Ten Cate.jonathan de guzman wrote:what I don't get is that Goossens and Sarpong did pretty well at the U17 WC 2 years ago; with average progress, we should have seen more of them, if they are really good a lot more. So something is 'wrong' & I don't think just HTC. I mean so many players who like bright at 16 just dont fulfill their promise. Less than 25% makes it. Or is HTC that Cr@p?
I don't think its just talent eiethr - the mentality of teh kids have really changed over the past 4-5 years IMO. That's part of what makes a higher # fail.
Do you wanna be a van Basten or a Van der Gijp?
Was gutted when I heard Koeman said De Guzman wouldn't even practise freekicks for 10 minutes a day after the training after his manager suggested he should do it, because he has the skill to score 10 season from freekicks. First of all such a suggestion shouldn't be necessary, secondly he should listen to good advice and thridly Koeman should have forced him to do it. You really need to want to be the best. Still amazing the clubs, don't pay more attention to mental training/preparation. A lot to gain in that area in football.
Young players, for whatever reasons (money, status), think in varying degrees that they have already achieved something - that nothing more needs to be done. Nowadays more than ever, because of of the ever increasing ridiculous money.
What you described De Guzman is simple childish stubbornness and reluctance to learn. These are only the milder symptoms. Some become complete diva c**ts (Huntelaar the biggest Charlie now).
I'm still shocke dto hear that about Guzman, I didn't know that.
A lot of those young players only think about money, parying, cars, clubbing and getting a transfer to a bigger club/more money, as soon as possible, without them meritting it or even being ready for such a move. Look at Quincy for example. Or de Jong, even Drenthe and Babel in a way.
There just strolling about until a bigger club comes along - that's how they see things.
Why would a 19 year old with €2m in his bank work any harder? That's the reality. With their cockiness you see their behaviour on pitch also change - you see them lose their temper or think that they're invincible.
No-one is willing to work at their craft.
Look what happened when Co "tough love" Adriaanse tried to straigthen out the brats at Ajax. The club sided with the brats, because they're so expensive that if they threaten to leave, they'd leave Ajax in some trouble. And the brats now that. And coerced Ajax into that choice.
Its all gone pear shaped.
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Re: Serious Q - Could Ten Cate get the sack sometime soon
by Ricardo Jol Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:31 pm
He apologised for it... There is also such a thing as forgiveness!supermadrid wrote:Perez used to be my favourite danish player but after those comments he can go to hell for all i care. from a morale point of view Henk ten cate did the right thing.Ricardo Jol wrote:Henk ten Cate is to blame he let Kenneth Perez go to PSV!
He hated Kenneth after he made a racist remark to a assistent referee! Nevertheless Kenneth Perez was Ajax' best player. He was even better than Sneijder!
He is a good person and one of the few very intelligent guys in football! If Ten Cate was morally right and a real personality he should have forgiven him! Wesley Sneijder said (and did) more terrible things in life and can get away with it, Why? I think it is very hypocrite of Henk ten Cate!
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