CL Group D Thread - AC Milan - Benfica - Celtic - Shakhtar

hey, take it easy, bluenine, please.

Dida may not be in a good phase, but in his best moments, playing for Corinthians, Cruzeiro, Brazil, and Milan in the begining, he was great.

and regarding him as a person, he always was as humble and nice as one can be, at least in Brazil.

The fact that he was acting is not his fault, but a cultural problem in Brazil. Diving and acting is simply not considered a bad thing in Brazil. When a player dives and earns a penalty here, he's praised for being clever, and no one complains, not even his opponents and the fans of the other team. I mean, they complain about the ref, they boo the ref for making a mistake, and not the player who dived. It's seen as part of the game here.

On the other hand, hard tackles are looked upon much more severely here.

Anyway, I prefer the European approach, I think it's awful that Brazilian players, pundits, refs and fans think this way, and I think we would be better as a football nation if they didn't, but I guess we should understand that there are some cultural differences.

In a nutshell: It's a problem of education, not character.

bluenine wrote:Yeah, expect a money fine and playing your home games behind an empty stadium.

Dida did go down shamefully tho - that guy is a disgrace as a player and a person.

kas wrote:Dida's acting has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the fan went onto the pitch, and that is automatically an offense. If Dida was actually hurt, then the fan would face additional criminal charges on top of expulsion from the club (and probably city, though he might be offered honorary Rangers membership).

Anyway, I doubt UEFA will dock them points. Precedent is for a *huge* fine, and a stadium closure for 3 matches, which is like disqualifying them, because Celtic's strength is their home fans.

kas wrote:Dida's acting has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the fan went onto the pitch, and that is automatically an offense. If Dida was actually hurt, then the fan would face additional criminal charges on top of expulsion from the club (and probably city, though he might be offered honorary Rangers membership).

Anyway, I doubt UEFA will dock them points. Precedent is for a *huge* fine, and a stadium closure for 3 matches, which is like disqualifying them, because Celtic's strength is their home fans.

not true...acting and diving IS cheating...he is hoping to gain an advantage for his team by cheating.

saying its got nothing to do with it is ridiculous...cheating is the biggest problem in football at the moment..not fans on the pitch..

dont panic! wrote:

kas wrote:Dida's acting has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the fan went onto the pitch, and that is automatically an offense. If Dida was actually hurt, then the fan would face additional criminal charges on top of expulsion from the club (and probably city, though he might be offered honorary Rangers membership).

Anyway, I doubt UEFA will dock them points. Precedent is for a *huge* fine, and a stadium closure for 3 matches, which is like disqualifying them, because Celtic's strength is their home fans.

not true...acting and diving IS cheating...he is hoping to gain an advantage for his team by cheating.

saying its got nothing to do with it is ridiculous...cheating is the biggest problem in football at the moment..not fans on the pitch..

Dude ... acting and diving is cheating, sure. But when done in context of the game. Here Dida dived when he was attacked/hit/tapped/struck (You choose your expression) by a mad Celtic fan. But Dida wasnt going to get anything by diving here. Which opponent player is he going to get booked? Or where is the penalty/free kick he would have got?

I See RedNWhite wrote:

dont panic! wrote:

kas wrote:Dida's acting has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the fan went onto the pitch, and that is automatically an offense. If Dida was actually hurt, then the fan would face additional criminal charges on top of expulsion from the club (and probably city, though he might be offered honorary Rangers membership).

Anyway, I doubt UEFA will dock them points. Precedent is for a *huge* fine, and a stadium closure for 3 matches, which is like disqualifying them, because Celtic's strength is their home fans.

not true...acting and diving IS cheating...he is hoping to gain an advantage for his team by cheating.

saying its got nothing to do with it is ridiculous...cheating is the biggest problem in football at the moment..not fans on the pitch..

Dude ... acting and diving is cheating, sure. But when done in context of the game. Here Dida dived when he was attacked/hit/tapped/struck (You choose your expression) by a mad Celtic fan. But Dida wasnt going to get anything by diving here. Which opponent player is he going to get booked? Or where is the penalty/free kick he would have got?

then why did he do it?

of course he did it to try and gain something..why else would he do it..to show what a great actor he is?

...maybe celtic will get punished..points deducted..play behind closed doors...maybe the game will get replayed...doesnt matter...ac milan WILL benefit from his deplorable actions..and thats cheating.

he fell over knowing they would lose the game..and that maybe uefa would react in a harder way if he fell over and fained injury..

dida should get a match ban for doing this...children watch these things..cheating is ruining football..not fans running on the pitch once a year..

dont panic! wrote:

I See RedNWhite wrote:

dont panic! wrote:

kas wrote:Dida's acting has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the fan went onto the pitch, and that is automatically an offense. If Dida was actually hurt, then the fan would face additional criminal charges on top of expulsion from the club (and probably city, though he might be offered honorary Rangers membership).

Anyway, I doubt UEFA will dock them points. Precedent is for a *huge* fine, and a stadium closure for 3 matches, which is like disqualifying them, because Celtic's strength is their home fans.

not true...acting and diving IS cheating...he is hoping to gain an advantage for his team by cheating.

saying its got nothing to do with it is ridiculous...cheating is the biggest problem in football at the moment..not fans on the pitch..

Dude ... acting and diving is cheating, sure. But when done in context of the game. Here Dida dived when he was attacked/hit/tapped/struck (You choose your expression) by a mad Celtic fan. But Dida wasnt going to get anything by diving here. Which opponent player is he going to get booked? Or where is the penalty/free kick he would have got?

then why did he do it?

of course he did it to try and gain something..why else would he do it..to show what a great actor he is?

...maybe celtic will get punished..points deducted..play behind closed doors...maybe the game will get replayed...doesnt matter...ac milan WILL benefit from his deplorable actions..and thats cheating.

he fell over knowing they would lose the game..and that maybe uefa would react in a harder way if he fell over and fained injury..

dida should get a match ban for doing this...children watch these things..cheating is ruining football..not fans running on the pitch once a year..

So, by your logic it's ok for a fan to go on the pitch, slap a player, and then back to the stands, because, if the other guy, the one who got the slap, did not go down, it will make it alright?
What if, it was the other way around? A Milan fan, doing the same?
Would you say the same?
And the fan did not run in the pitch. He actually touched a player. Should we teach this to children?

lampiao007 wrote:

dont panic! wrote:

I See RedNWhite wrote:

dont panic! wrote:

kas wrote:Dida's acting has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the fan went onto the pitch, and that is automatically an offense. If Dida was actually hurt, then the fan would face additional criminal charges on top of expulsion from the club (and probably city, though he might be offered honorary Rangers membership).

Anyway, I doubt UEFA will dock them points. Precedent is for a *huge* fine, and a stadium closure for 3 matches, which is like disqualifying them, because Celtic's strength is their home fans.

not true...acting and diving IS cheating...he is hoping to gain an advantage for his team by cheating.

saying its got nothing to do with it is ridiculous...cheating is the biggest problem in football at the moment..not fans on the pitch..

Dude ... acting and diving is cheating, sure. But when done in context of the game. Here Dida dived when he was attacked/hit/tapped/struck (You choose your expression) by a mad Celtic fan. But Dida wasnt going to get anything by diving here. Which opponent player is he going to get booked? Or where is the penalty/free kick he would have got?

then why did he do it?

of course he did it to try and gain something..why else would he do it..to show what a great actor he is?

...maybe celtic will get punished..points deducted..play behind closed doors...maybe the game will get replayed...doesnt matter...ac milan WILL benefit from his deplorable actions..and thats cheating.

he fell over knowing they would lose the game..and that maybe uefa would react in a harder way if he fell over and fained injury..

dida should get a match ban for doing this...children watch these things..cheating is ruining football..not fans running on the pitch once a year..

So, by your logic it's ok for a fan to go on the pitch, slap a player, and then back to the stands, because, if the other guy, the one who got the slap, did not go down, it will make it alright?
What if, it was the other way around? A Milan fan, doing the same?
Would you say the same?
And the fan did not run in the pitch. He actually touched a player. Should we teach this to children?

'So, by your logic it's ok for a fan to go on the pitch, slap a player, and then back to the stands, because, if the other guy, the one who got the slap, did not go down, it will make it alright?'

where did i say that?

'What if, it was the other way around? A Milan fan, doing the same?
Would you say the same?'

yes..im not a celtic fan...i dont even have much interest for scottish football..

'And the fan did not run in the pitch. He actually touched a player. Should we teach this to children?'

again..where did i say this?...its wrong..as is cheating..both should be stopped..but fans running onto the pitch is NOT ruining football..it happens a few times a year..its bad...and it shouldnt happen..but.....diving and faining injury to gain something happens every single weekend..in every single game.

another thing..dida was pathetic last night...and all europe is laughing at him..not at the scottish fan..

Dida's acting is deplorable. This happens quite regularily in football, and such things should be stopped. But his falling down will NOT make any difference. Milan/Dida have refused to file a complaint offcially, so I guess someone gave Dida an earful for what he did.

But a fan being allowed to run around on the pitch slapping a player is just UNACCEPTABLE. Celtic can have no compliants about a big fine here, and probably a 3-4 game stadium ban. Even docking a few points will not be totally out of the line. Coz such behavier is unacceptable.

dont panic! wrote:
then why did he do it?

of course he did it to try and gain something..why else would he do it..to show what a great actor he is?

...maybe celtic will get punished..points deducted..play behind closed doors...maybe the game will get replayed...doesnt matter...ac milan WILL benefit from his deplorable actions..and thats cheating.

he fell over knowing they would lose the game..and that maybe uefa would react in a harder way if he fell over and fained injury..

dida should get a match ban for doing this...children watch these things..cheating is ruining football..not fans running on the pitch once a year..

bluenine wrote:Dida's acting is deplorable. This happens quite regularily in football, and such things should be stopped. But his falling down will NOT make any difference. Milan/Dida have refused to file a complaint offcially, so I guess someone gave Dida an earful for what he did.

But a fan being allowed to run around on the pitch slapping a player is just UNACCEPTABLE. Celtic can have no compliants about a big fine here, and probably a 3-4 game stadium ban. Even docking a few points will not be totally out of the line. Coz such behavier is unacceptable.

dont panic! wrote:
then why did he do it?

of course he did it to try and gain something..why else would he do it..to show what a great actor he is?

...maybe celtic will get punished..points deducted..play behind closed doors...maybe the game will get replayed...doesnt matter...ac milan WILL benefit from his deplorable actions..and thats cheating.

he fell over knowing they would lose the game..and that maybe uefa would react in a harder way if he fell over and fained injury..

dida should get a match ban for doing this...children watch these things..cheating is ruining football..not fans running on the pitch once a year..

absolutely correct...

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:My only regret is that the Celtic fan didn't hit Dida harder.

He is Milans Barthez, I am surprised Milan have persisted with this clown for so long; as his goalkeeping skills are as bad as his acting skills.

dont panic! wrote:

I See RedNWhite wrote:

dont panic! wrote:

kas wrote:Dida's acting has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the fan went onto the pitch, and that is automatically an offense. If Dida was actually hurt, then the fan would face additional criminal charges on top of expulsion from the club (and probably city, though he might be offered honorary Rangers membership).

Anyway, I doubt UEFA will dock them points. Precedent is for a *huge* fine, and a stadium closure for 3 matches, which is like disqualifying them, because Celtic's strength is their home fans.

not true...acting and diving IS cheating...he is hoping to gain an advantage for his team by cheating.

saying its got nothing to do with it is ridiculous...cheating is the biggest problem in football at the moment..not fans on the pitch..

Dude ... acting and diving is cheating, sure. But when done in context of the game. Here Dida dived when he was attacked/hit/tapped/struck (You choose your expression) by a mad Celtic fan. But Dida wasnt going to get anything by diving here. Which opponent player is he going to get booked? Or where is the penalty/free kick he would have got?

then why did he do it?

of course he did it to try and gain something..why else would he do it..to show what a great actor he is?

...maybe celtic will get punished..points deducted..play behind closed doors...maybe the game will get replayed...doesnt matter...ac milan WILL benefit from his deplorable actions..and thats cheating.

he fell over knowing they would lose the game..and that maybe uefa would react in a harder way if he fell over and fained injury..

dida should get a match ban for doing this...children watch these things..cheating is ruining football..not fans running on the pitch once a year..

Why did he do it? We dont know. Only one person in the world can answer it with perfect accuracy and he wont come to this board.

But one thing is for sure... by feigning injury he cannot help Milan in anyway.

The crime was already committed when the moron entered the pitch and hit Dida. Even if Dida had kept quiet, they could have taken Celtic to task, which they haven't. In fact by diving he has made himself to be an object of ridicule.

As regards falling over and feigning injury, using the excuse that children watch it so it should be punished is as childish as it gets. Excuse me, show me one round of games in ANY LEAGUE which doesn't have any simulation/diving/feigning injury.

In fact by punishing Dida we will tend to lose sight of actual unacceptable action, that is the pitch invasion by a Celtic supporting moron.

I think Celtic should get fined and play at least 1 game in a closed stadium.

I also think Dida should get banned for at least 1 match for simulation.

But one thing is for sure... by feigning injury he cannot help Milan in anyway.

?..what!!!!..of course milan will benefit if celtic have points taken off them..or have to play behind closed doors..what an odd statement..

The crime was already committed when the moron entered the pitch and hit Dida. Even if Dida had kept quiet, they could have taken Celtic to task, which they haven't. In fact by diving he has made himself to be an object of ridicule.

yep...absolutely true...but uefa are still investigating.

As regards falling over and feigning injury, using the excuse that children watch it so it should be punished is as childish as it gets. Excuse me, show me one round of games in ANY LEAGUE which doesn't have any simulation/diving/feigning injury.

thats precisely my point..it needs to be stopped..or do you like it?

In fact by punishing Dida we will tend to lose sight of actual unacceptable action, that is the pitch invasion by a Celtic supporting moron

????..what?..if celtic are punished..which is correct..for what happened..and dida is for cheating..why is that 'losing sight' of what happened?..both things are wrong..and both should be punished..

dont panic! wrote:

The crime was already committed when the moron entered the pitch and hit Dida. Even if Dida had kept quiet, they could have taken Celtic to task, which they haven't. In fact by diving he has made himself to be an object of ridicule.

yep...absolutely true...but uefa are still investigating.

UEFA will ACT wait 'til Friday

I See RedNWhite wrote:

dont panic! wrote:

I See RedNWhite wrote:

dont panic! wrote:

kas wrote:Dida's acting has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the fan went onto the pitch, and that is automatically an offense. If Dida was actually hurt, then the fan would face additional criminal charges on top of expulsion from the club (and probably city, though he might be offered honorary Rangers membership).

Anyway, I doubt UEFA will dock them points. Precedent is for a *huge* fine, and a stadium closure for 3 matches, which is like disqualifying them, because Celtic's strength is their home fans.

not true...acting and diving IS cheating...he is hoping to gain an advantage for his team by cheating.

saying its got nothing to do with it is ridiculous...cheating is the biggest problem in football at the moment..not fans on the pitch..

Dude ... acting and diving is cheating, sure. But when done in context of the game. Here Dida dived when he was attacked/hit/tapped/struck (You choose your expression) by a mad Celtic fan. But Dida wasnt going to get anything by diving here. Which opponent player is he going to get booked? Or where is the penalty/free kick he would have got?

then why did he do it?

of course he did it to try and gain something..why else would he do it..to show what a great actor he is?

...maybe celtic will get punished..points deducted..play behind closed doors...maybe the game will get replayed...doesnt matter...ac milan WILL benefit from his deplorable actions..and thats cheating.

he fell over knowing they would lose the game..and that maybe uefa would react in a harder way if he fell over and fained injury..

dida should get a match ban for doing this...children watch these things..cheating is ruining football..not fans running on the pitch once a year..

Why did he do it? We dont know. Only one person in the world can answer it with perfect accuracy and he wont come to this board.

But one thing is for sure... by feigning injury he cannot help Milan in anyway.

The crime was already committed when the moron entered the pitch and hit Dida. Even if Dida had kept quiet, they could have taken Celtic to task, which they haven't. In fact by diving he has made himself to be an object of ridicule.

As regards falling over and feigning injury, using the excuse that children watch it so it should be punished is as childish as it gets. Excuse me, show me one round of games in ANY LEAGUE which doesn't have any simulation/diving/feigning injury.

In fact by punishing Dida we will tend to lose sight of actual unacceptable action, that is the pitch invasion by a Celtic supporting moron.

He clearly feigned injury to try and get Milan an advantage; the result being overturned, Celtic being thrown out, Celtic docked points or celtic being forced to play games behind closed doors. Why else would he take 5 steps before deciding to go down, during those 2 or 3 seconds he thought I could use this situation to make up for gifting the game to Celtic.

dont panic! wrote:

But one thing is for sure... by feigning injury he cannot help Milan in anyway.

?..what!!!!..of course milan will benefit if celtic have points taken off them..or have to play behind closed doors..what an odd statement..

Celtic will be punished NOT BECAUSE DIDA DIVED, but because fan invaded the pitch.

Even if Dida hadn't dived, Celtic would be punished. By diving Dida isn't going to increase the quantum of punishment.

Duhhhh... that was simple.

The crime was already committed when the moron entered the pitch and hit Dida. Even if Dida had kept quiet, they could have taken Celtic to task, which they haven't. In fact by diving he has made himself to be an object of ridicule.

yep...absolutely true...but uefa are still investigating.

Lets see what they do.

As regards falling over and feigning injury, using the excuse that children watch it so it should be punished is as childish as it gets. Excuse me, show me one round of games in ANY LEAGUE which doesn't have any simulation/diving/feigning injury.

thats precisely my point..it needs to be stopped..or do you like it?

By targeting Dida and not the hundreds of others who get off something similar we are not being consistent in anyway.

In fact by punishing Dida we will tend to lose sight of actual unacceptable action, that is the pitch invasion by a Celtic supporting moron

????..what?..if celtic are punished..which is correct..for what happened..and dida is for cheating..why is that 'losing sight' of what happened?..both things are wrong..and both should be punished..

The major thing is pitch invasion. Dida's dive is far minor compared to the fact that the idiot got into the pitch. By elevating Dida's antics to the same level, you are belittling what the idiot has done.

Irrespective of anything pitch invasions have to be treated very very harshly.

Celtic will be punished NOT BECAUSE DIDA DIVED, but because fan invaded the pitch.

i know...why do you say that..thats obvious?

Even if Dida hadn't dived, Celtic would be punished. By diving Dida isn't going to increase the quantum of punishment.

yes...and?..he still did it...he thought it would look worse...he cheated...

By targeting Dida and not the hundreds of others who get off something similar we are not being consistent in anyway.

yes..my point is it should be stopped everywhere..this could be the start..doing nothing will not change anything..

The major thing is pitch invasion. Dida's dive is far minor compared to the fact that the idiot got into the pitch. By elevating Dida's antics to the same level, you are belittling what the idiot has done.

they are both things that need to be stopped..celtic will be getting punished....do you think dida shouldnt?

Irrespective of anything pitch invasions have to be treated very very harshly

correct...

Rez wrote:I think Celtic should get fined and play at least 1 game in a closed stadium.



I also think Dida should get banned for at least 1 match for simulation.

Then C.Ronaldo should only play about half the games (because of bans).

gone wrote:

Rez wrote:I think Celtic should get fined and play at least 1 game in a closed stadium.



I also think Dida should get banned for at least 1 match for simulation.

Then C.Ronaldo should only play about half the games (because of bans).

But one thing is for sure... by feigning injury he cannot help Milan in anyway.

dida has already been at the center of a similar situation....he fell over after being hit by an object..milan were given a win...

does that answer your question?

dont panic! wrote:

But one thing is for sure... by feigning injury he cannot help Milan in anyway.

dida has already been at the center of a similar situation....he fell over after being hit by an object..milan were given a win...

does that answer your question?

He was hit by a FLARE ffs. And Inter where 1-0 against Milan (2-0 for Milan in the first game). Inter need to score 4 goals in about 30 min.

dont panic! wrote:

But one thing is for sure... by feigning injury he cannot help Milan in anyway.

dida has already been at the center of a similar situation....he fell over after being hit by an object..milan were given a win...

does that answer your question?

I can't believe I am defending Dida, but that was different and worse.

did the idiot fan actually get arrested?

gone wrote:

Rez wrote:I think Celtic should get fined and play at least 1 game in a closed stadium.



I also think Dida should get banned for at least 1 match for simulation.

Then C.Ronaldo should only play about half the games (because of bans).

He would still play more games than Gilardino (who holds the record for the most outlandish dive in the CL) and Inzaghi combined

Rez wrote:

gone wrote:

Rez wrote:I think Celtic should get fined and play at least 1 game in a closed stadium.



I also think Dida should get banned for at least 1 match for simulation.

Then C.Ronaldo should only play about half the games (because of bans).

He would still play more games than Gilardino (who holds the record for the most outlandish dive in the CL) and Inzaghi combined

Yeah that was a bad one. But after what Dida did yesterday Ronaldo and Gila should both be sainted.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

Rez wrote:

gone wrote:

Rez wrote:I think Celtic should get fined and play at least 1 game in a closed stadium.



I also think Dida should get banned for at least 1 match for simulation.

Then C.Ronaldo should only play about half the games (because of bans).

He would still play more games than Gilardino (who holds the record for the most outlandish dive in the CL) and Inzaghi combined

Yeah that was a bad one. But after what Dida did yesterday Ronaldo and Gila should both be sainted.

To be honest every team has at least one diver, so no one can take the moral high ground. Just the other week Saha embarrassed himself and the club against Chelsea with a swan dive.

I wonder how players feel when they watch a replay of themselves flying through the air and rolling around when they have been barely touched.

I do thing something should be done, because it's getting ridiculous now. If they did start banning people using video evidence then I am sure the problem would quickly go away.

Gilardino's dive at the same venue last season (?) was the single greatest piece of CL theatre that I have seen in the last decade or so (from the good old days when Jurgen Klinsmann used to leave lifesize imprints of himself in opposition penalty areas. Couldnt take that man anywhere).

You obviously did not see Isilnho or whatever is name is yesterday against Benfica
Greg Louganis eat your heart out

I think Dida should be banned and fined for acting, complete disgrace, even more than the Celtic fan jumping on the pitch.

Rez wrote:
To be honest every team has at least one diver, so no one can take the moral high ground. Just the other week Saha embarrassed himself and the club against Chelsea with a swan dive.

Read the post above me (or others on this topic). Some people do take the moral high ground. I hope you got my point.

PS: Gila not playing? WOW. I'm scared, what would Milan do without him.

Rez wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:My only regret is that the Celtic fan didn't hit Dida harder.

He is Milans Barthez, I am surprised Milan have persisted with this clown for so long; as his goalkeeping skills are as bad as his acting skills.

You know Rez, the sad part is that everyone (even non-Milan fans) can realise how big of a liability this moron is. Everyone apart from Braida, Galliani and Berlusconi, the people that count..