another top 50 list

Parks lives wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:no way is saf better than shankly, paisley, clough imho

Those 4 plus Busby are all so close, you could make a case for any of the 5 really.

Bubsy is the stand out for me though.

european success would pip it for mein terms of clough and paisley though

Tweedle wrote:I'm tempted to say Clough.

What he acheieved with Forest was pretty incredible. The other four managers all had reasonable budgets to realise their achievements with

Are you being serious?

Shankly and Busby both built there clubs from scratch. Old Trafford was a bomb site when Busby took over in 1946.

So Lippi doesn't even make the top 10. Laughable.

Parks lives wrote:

Tweedle wrote:I'm tempted to say Clough.

What he acheieved with Forest was pretty incredible. The other four managers all had reasonable budgets to realise their achievements with

Are you being serious?

Shankly and Busby both built there clubs from scratch. Old Trafford was a bomb site when Busby took over in 1946.

So Liverpool and Man Utd were nothing clubs before that were they?

And Busby had the same predicament as lots of other clubs with your 'building from scratch' philosophy. There had been a war on y'know. He alsoe had the added bonus of being able to pick his own side, unlike many of the other managers at the time

Well we had only won 2 league titles and an FA cup in our history prior to that, all 3 coming between 1908 - 1911. So no we were not that big a club before Busby arrived.

So you're money issue makes no sense.

Good list

Well you didn't provide any logic whatsoever for choosing Busby. I'm guessing its just because he managed Utd

'Tard.

You brang up money, I'm saying whatever money he would of used would of been money he's created.

The fact he was known for bringing through youth players is another reason why the money issue makes no sense.

Just another throw away comment for Mr. Twoodle.

Tweedle wrote:Well you didn't provide any logic whatsoever for choosing Busby. I'm guessing its just because he managed Utd

Clough build 2 clubs from scratch (Derby and Forest) and won 2 ECC but he is behind Shankly and Busby.

Hitzfeld should be waaay higher. Not just for his two CL wins with two different teams (which both weren't nearly as star studded as the competition they overcame), but also for building the current Bayern team in a matter of weeks. They already look like they've played together for years.

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Tweedle wrote:Well you didn't provide any logic whatsoever for choosing Busby. I'm guessing its just because he managed Utd

Clough build 2 clubs from scratch (Derby and Forest) and won 2 ECC but he is behind Shankly and Busby.

and saf who only has one EC

and would wenger be anywhere near that high if he had achieved what he has outside england, no way

Parks lives wrote:'Tard.

You brang up money, I'm saying whatever money he would of used would of been money he's created.

The fact he was known for bringing through youth players is another reason why the money issue makes no sense.

Just another throw away comment for Mr. Twoodle.

So you agree its because he managed Utd then. Glad we got that one sorted.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

gone wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Well you didn't provide any logic whatsoever for choosing Busby. I'm guessing its just because he managed Utd

Clough build 2 clubs from scratch (Derby and Forest) and won 2 ECC but he is behind Shankly and Busby.

and saf who only has one EC

and would wenger be anywhere near that high if he had achieved what he has outside england, no way

SAF 4th is a joke. Capello won the title in Italy (Milan, Roma and Juve), in Spain (two times with Real), won the CL 4-0 against the Barca dream team, had a 58 games unbeaten record at Milan and he is only 21st in the that top.

I'm not having a go at you for saying Clough should be first. You are missing the point entirely on purpose I think so you don't have to admit you just made up another post.

Busby didn't rely on money, that was my point.

To have done all that at the age of 21 is incredible

Tweedle wrote:To have done all that at the age of 21 is incredible

Edited.

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The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

gone wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Well you didn't provide any logic whatsoever for choosing Busby. I'm guessing its just because he managed Utd

Clough build 2 clubs from scratch (Derby and Forest) and won 2 ECC but he is behind Shankly and Busby.

and saf who only has one EC

and would wenger be anywhere near that high if he had achieved what he has outside england, no way

SAF 4th is a joke. Capello won the title in Italy (Milan, Roma and Juve), in Spain (two times with Real), won the CL 4-0 against the Barca dream team, had a 58 games unbeaten record at Milan and he is only 21st in the that top.

Fergie broke the Old firm stronghold in Scotland, won a European trophy with Abeerdeen, broke the monopoly of Liverpool in England, won 2 European trophies, won a treble and made Man United the richest club in Europe.

It's not that big a joke.

Parks lives wrote:I'm not having a go at you for saying Clough should be first. You are missing the point entirely on purpose I think so you don't have to admit you just made up another post.

Busby didn't rely on money, that was my point.

Ok so I refer to FOUR other managers and because ONE of them didn't really rely on money I'm suddenly a 'tard?

You question me on it and I explain why I still think Clough's achievements are better and you still think I'm the 'tard.

Yet, you provide no reasoning whatsoever for choosing Busby above everyone else.

Are you really sure I'm the 'tard here?

Neither did Shankly either. So that's 50% of them.

Plus the fact rather than admit you got it wrong you go off on some tangent.

That makes you a 'tard.

Parks lives wrote:

gone wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

gone wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Well you didn't provide any logic whatsoever for choosing Busby. I'm guessing its just because he managed Utd

Clough build 2 clubs from scratch (Derby and Forest) and won 2 ECC but he is behind Shankly and Busby.

and saf who only has one EC

and would wenger be anywhere near that high if he had achieved what he has outside england, no way

SAF 4th is a joke. Capello won the title in Italy (Milan, Roma and Juve), in Spain (two times with Real), won the CL 4-0 against the Barca dream team, had a 58 games unbeaten record at Milan and he is only 21st in the that top.

Fergie broke the Old firm stronghold in Scotland, won a European trophy with Abeerdeen, broke the monopoly of Liverpool in England, won 2 European trophies, won a treble and made Man United the richest club in Europe.

It's not that big a joke.

It's not like other clubs haven't broke that Old firm stronghold. So SAF is better then Clough, how won the league with Derby and Forest plus 2 ECC with Forest (SAF has only one with the richest club in the world).

Or better then Paisley how won 3 ECC + a lot of titles.

Or Sacchi who created the best side in history.

Or Lippi who won the WC, CL, lots of titles.

Or Capello, Nereo Rocco, Hitzfeld.

Shankly had money. Not much at first but enough to buy players of the quality of Milne and St. John.

His first title was also Liverpool's 6th title.

They had pedigree.

Clough won the title with two clubs, and in two seasons transformed Forest from a 2nd division side, to champions of England, winning the league Cup along the way and then winning the European Cup two seasons running

Absolute joke of a list.

Parks lives wrote:Fergie broke the Old firm stronghold in Scotland, won a European trophy with Abeerdeen, broke the monopoly of Liverpool in England, won 2 European trophies, won a treble and made Man United the richest club in Europe.

It's not that big a joke.

It was hardly a Liverpool monopoly then.

Ferguson has been more successful than Paisley in English Football , 9 League Titles to Paisleys 6 and 5 FA Cups to 0 from Paisley , Paisley has won 3 European Cups to SAF 1.

Outside of Celtic and Rangers, only two clubs have won the Scottish since 1964.

Aberdeen won it twice. Thats an amazing achievement. Same as winning a European trophy.

Fergie may well of had alot of money with Man United, alot of the that money is down to the success he's brang in. He deserves to be in the top 10.

paisley was only manager from 1974 to 1983, saf has been there 20 fooking years ffs

Paisley took over Shankly who already had argubaly one of the best teams in Europe.

Fergie took over from Ron Atkinson who had a team that was renowned for being a cup team only.

Huge difference Frank.

Ron 'Lazy Nigger' Atkinson had built a reasonably decent team though. SAF took about 5 years of tweaking until he made Utd into a successful side. + a lot of ££££ moolaar

4 years.

Define 'decent' as well? Cause you could call Reading a 'decent' team.

Parks lives wrote:Outside of Celtic and Rangers, only two clubs have won the Scottish since 1964.

Aberdeen won it twice. Thats an amazing achievement. Same as winning a European trophy.

Fergie may well of had alot of money with Man United, alot of the that money is down to the success he's brang in. He deserves to be in the top 10.

I say it again: you think he is the 4th manager in history? Then we have some serios bias problem over here.