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    Who is currently the best coach in the world??

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    Post by Kimbo Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:36 pm

    110% wrote:Although having the best plaeyrs in the world doesn't mean you'll have the best team it definitely makes it easier for you. Best coaches for me take a supposedly weaker team and due to their coaching and tactics beat better teams on paper, wether in the league or CL. Hiddink, Wenger, Benitez, Mourinho etc all won things with weaker teams due to their coaching.

    Spalletti's Roma play nice football but so far didn't win a great deal. Inter did that for several years with different coaches, just by having good players who could turn on the style, but were not good enough to beat the top teams due to bad tactics from the manager. Kevin Keegan's Newcastle also played great football, so who would like him to manage their club?

    I wouldn't mind tbh, if Sam left. ok

    If Keegan had stuck around we would've won some stuff, i'm pretty sure on that.
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    Post by bluenine Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:39 pm

    Thats just one game... Sven has won trophies with less fancied sides....

    - UEFA Cup with Goteberg!
    - CL (European Cup) runners up with Benfica
    - Cup Winners Cup with Lazio
    - European Supercup with Lazio

    Sven is rated by the FA as England's 2nd most successful Manager after Sir Alf Ramsey. During his time, England achieved the highest point percentage in Major Tournament Matches of all time for an England manager - still the english fans ridicule him Doh

    He will prove them wrong, give him a few seasons at Man City. Not that Sven needs to do any proving!

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    bluenine wrote:Beenhakker is a good coach, but past his best IMO and no way is he better than Sven.

    He completely outplayed Sven's England with Tiny Trinidad & Tobago, he only lost because they cheated ok
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    Post by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:45 pm

    I think the best coach in the world has to be the best manager of egos as well. That is why I admired Del Bosque and Mourinho.

    I would say, currently, Lippi is the best. He can get his teams to express themselves in a very distinct way, or what he calls "to leave their imprint on the game."

    Of course the fact that he has won everything helps as well.

    I wouldn't replace Ancelotti for anything not because he is a great manager but because the team is so steeped in his philosophy that it would take a few years to change.

    If I were really pushed it would be Spaletti because of the way his Roma plays. He could make Milan play similarly.
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    Post by EMP Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:19 pm

    Regarding Ancelotti, I'm not at all conviced by him. Still haven't forgiven him for what he did to Parma. That team ought to have won Serie A at least once in the days of Channel 4 coverage. They played attacking football in the 1990s and were a joy to watch. Ancelotti came in and imposed his dire system on them, forcing club legend Gianfraco Zola out of the club. Not only didn't lead Parma to title, but signalled the end of their threat, el putamadre!
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    Post by Jaime Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:28 pm

    Whatever the case, I think we can all agree that the answer to either question is, unequivocally, NOT a person by the name Jose Antonio Camacho. ok
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:39 pm

    Fey wrote:Bluenine that list is riduclous!!

    van Basten and Rijkaard are in that!!!!

    My vote would go to Low...

    <Ale> ok

    I didn't see Joachim Löw even in the list, so with respect, quite frankly I find it a bit of a joke.
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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:41 pm

    Im a bit naive on this one.

    Before Die Mannschaft, what were Low's credentials?
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    Post by A & K Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:48 pm

    A great Manager should be a person that has been successful with more than one team, the more the best. It's difficult to decide who's the best because there are a lot of good managers with all kind of achievements.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:58 pm

    Handsome Prince Of Saxony wrote:Im a bit naive on this one.

    Before Die Mannschaft, what were Low's credentials?

    Relatively little indeed, although he did make the Cup Winners' Cup final with Stuttgart. But crucially he was arguably the "brains" behind Klinsmann, and besides the fact that this is a list of 20 coaches dammit!, it is very naive to include Klinsmann and not Löw, especially given that the success he has had with the national team post-Klinsi, building an utterly coherent system and philosophy that seems to function no matter the personnel, is nothing short of astonishing. Few people expected him to be quite so immediately successful.

    We'll see what happens in the summer won't we. In the meantime, it's not our problem if internationally there is zero hype and little recognition at the moment, indeed it's the way I prefer it ok
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    Post by Bashmachkin Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:29 pm

    Kimbo wrote:
    110% wrote: Kevin Keegan's Newcastle also played great football, so who would like him to manage their club?

    I wouldn't mind tbh, if Sam left. ok

    If Keegan had stuck around we would've won some stuff, i'm pretty sure on that.

    I think Keegan is unreasonably underrated as a manager. Certainly I cant think of a better English manager since the Premier League began. Ultimately, he turned a Newcastle side that had been firmly entrenched in the second tier of English football and was imminently heading for the third into, in my view, the best team in England. Whilst I guess Im biased in this respect, I genuinely think Newcastle were unlucky more than anything in failing to win the title in 95/96 - players like Graham Fenton and Ian Woane played the only outstanding games of their careers against us to turn three points into none in the blink of an eye; we had the Liverpool 4-3; played in one of the most one-sided games Ive ever seen between title challengers at St James' against Man Utd, where we dominated, forced Schmeichel into one of his best games, hit the woodwork several times only to concede with Man Utds only real attack of the game; and we also had the injustice of Ginolas sending off against Arsenal, after which he was never really the same player for us, and, as I genuinely think that in his first six months at the club he was the best player Ive ever seen playing football, this meant we were limited for the rest of the season.

    He only left the club because he didnt like the direction things were moving in at boardroom level. Then he managed to get Fulham and Man City promoted, City, I think, after scoring a record number of goals, and he established them in the Premier League. His only real failure was with England. And yet I think he failed with England because he simply wasnt suited to international management. His style was all about working with players on a day-to-day basis, on building a relationship with his squad, making players believe in themselves, making them enjoy playing football, and building creative, attacking teams. He was certainly a motivator rather than a tactician, but coaches that excel in both are very rare, and his tactical naivety has been overplayed when its been far from the real issue.

    I think Keegans only big flaw is that he listens too much to what other people say, gets too emotional and self-critical. I think by the time he came to manage City, and especially in his last year or so with them, he was very susceptible to criticism, had become weary with football and with all the pressure, and actually started to believe that he did have essential tactical failings - which lead to a wavering, to a lack of conviction in his methods and so to a lack of enthusiasm also, and so he lost some of what made him such a good coach. Because of this Im not sure Id take him back today - though if he was revitalised, who knows, and he would certainly put everything into Newcastle if he did manage us again - but still, I think he was an excellent manager and, with a bit of luck, our recent history could have been very different.
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    Post by Di Caniooooo! Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:01 pm

    How can you not have Alex McLeish! He and Walter Smith took Scotland from like 114th in the world to 14th! Doubled over France. On top of the Group of Death!
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    Post by Di Caniooooo! Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:12 pm

    ok 88th but you get the point.
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    Post by Guest Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:14 pm

    Alex McLeish...? Are you mad?

    Lawrie Sanchez beat Spain, but there's no way he should be on the list.
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    Post by EMP Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:04 am

    Di Caniooooo! wrote:How can you not have Alex McLeish! He and Walter Smith took Scotland from like 114th in the world to 14th! Doubled over France. On top of the Group of Death!

    Slightly unfair as Walter Smith took over from Berti Vogts, meaning anything would be an improvement. I hope that Nigeria is doing the same thing as nothing else can make sense of that appointment.

    On a different note, what about some respect for Dario Grady? His achievements at one club without a budget are invredible. He has developed some pretty good talent and coped with having to sell it as soon as it is noticed.
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    Post by Effenberg Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:46 pm

    Well, Hitzfeld is on the list, but it seems nobody ever mentions him. Two CLs with two different (German, i.e. comparatively low-budget) teams. Just as a reminder.

    And, of course, Löw should be there as well.
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    Post by airdrieunited Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:18 pm

    I'd say it's between Capello and Mourinho.

    But as the former has done more, I'll plump for Capello!
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:38 pm

    Agooner wrote:1) I 'd say ancelotti - his team( milan) are very nice to watch, current holders of the CL and have been the best team in that competition for the past few seasons.

    Why are people choosing spalletti ahead of Wenger, Fergusson, rijkaard etc?

    is it because his team plays good attacking football with no out an out strikers? well that not too dissimilar to the way we played in the CL in the 2005/2006 season

    affraid

    You thought arsenal were attacking in CL that year ?!

    Best: Ancelotti, Benitez, Mourinho, Wenger


    Most overrated: Hiddink, Spaletti



    Most Underrated: Sven


    Worst: Mancini
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    Post by bluenine Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:08 pm

    Spalletti is over rated? If you mean that so many people are pciking him as their top choice for coach replacement, then yeah... frankly, I think Prandelli is a better manager, last 4-5 years he has got better results than Spalletti with less resources.

    Most under rated = Sven, no doubt. So many people are making him a scapegoat for England's weaknesses. Sven has been one of the top all time coaches for almost all his teams!!

    Worst = Mancini, well there is a reason he did not make my list... Mancio is work in progress, and has evolved a great deal in the 3 seasons at Inter... he is still evolving, and may one day make a very good coach... us Inter fans hope that that day comes sooner than later... but Mancio has the ingredients to make a terrific coach.

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    Best: Ancelotti, Benitez, Mourinho, Wenger

    Most overrated: Hiddink, Spaletti

    Most Underrated: Sven

    Worst: Mancini
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    Post by StevieG Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:11 pm

    mourinho the special one he is with coaching.

    for valencia mourinho any day of the week really. i do admire his qualitys in everyway
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:51 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:
    Agooner wrote:1) I 'd say ancelotti - his team( milan) are very nice to watch, current holders of the CL and have been the best team in that competition for the past few seasons.

    Why are people choosing spalletti ahead of Wenger, Fergusson, rijkaard etc?

    is it because his team plays good attacking football with no out an out strikers? well that not too dissimilar to the way we played in the CL in the 2005/2006 season

    affraid

    You thought arsenal were attacking in CL that year ?!


    we didn't play gung-ho football, but we were very nice to watch. we played a bit on the counter away from home, but played teams off the park at highbury. our 0-0 draw against madrid at highbury was prbably the best 0-0 i have ever seen.
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    Post by DD Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:13 pm

    Agooner wrote:
    Pierre Littbarski wrote:
    Agooner wrote:1) I 'd say ancelotti - his team( milan) are very nice to watch, current holders of the CL and have been the best team in that competition for the past few seasons.

    Why are people choosing spalletti ahead of Wenger, Fergusson, rijkaard etc?

    is it because his team plays good attacking football with no out an out strikers? well that not too dissimilar to the way we played in the CL in the 2005/2006 season

    affraid

    You thought arsenal were attacking in CL that year ?!


    we didn't play gung-ho football, but we were very nice to watch. we played a bit on the counter away from home, but played teams off the park at highbury. our 0-0 draw against madrid at highbury was prbably the best 0-0 i have ever seen.
    Pretty nice attack-minded football till the QF - which had me rooting for an Arsenal-Barca final. It was a disgrace though against Villareal though in the most obscene demonstration of parking the bus the world has ever witnessed. Which I still think you were very lucky to win, because Villareal were off their game both nights and in particular at home - and even so they came very close (how many time sdid they hit the posts?!).
    The so-called dream final can be only be described as "The Big Letdown". Send offs, time waisting and percentage football.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:22 pm

    @ DD

    yeah were were very defensive away to villareal, but that was understandable given the result in the 1st leg.

    That final could have been one of the best in recent times had it not been for that incompetent ref. The start was very promising with us doing most of the attacking in the opening minutes and barca were also getting into game when that moron sent lehmann off Evil or Very Mad
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    Post by Football Genius Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:30 pm

    I think this is a pretty pointless thread.

    They are all top managers, many with plenty of recognition in terms of trophies they've won.

    Again like players, it comes down to a matter of preference, and some other variables if you were looking at it pragmatically, such as do they speak the language? does their style of football match what the club wish to achieve? is there longevity in the manager or will he only be around for a few seasons.... etc
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    Post by Rez Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:00 pm

    Agooner wrote:@ DD

    yeah were were very defensive away to villareal, but that was understandable given the result in the 1st leg.

    That final could have been one of the best in recent times had it not been for that incompetent ref. The start was very promising with us doing most of the attacking in the opening minutes and barca were also getting into game when that moron sent lehmann off Evil or Very Mad

    I think you should blame the crazy German not the ref, the ref did you a favour. If he had given the goal, Arsenal would have had to chase the game, which is something they hadnt done in the CL that season. They got to the final by scoring first, then defending deep and playing 4-5-1 counter attack football. If you had chased the game against a team like Barca, you would have lost heavily.

    If Henry could score in cup finals then Arsenal fans would have built a statue of the Ref outside the Emirates, for the great service he provided the club.
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    Post by Ä Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:00 pm

    these old threads are always fun to look at

    Smile

    does anybody still rate Hiddink after failing to qualify with Russia and Turkey Whistle

    still any van Gaal, Klinsi, Benitez, Mourinho, Wenger fans on here ?

    and what about Fergie, now that Man U got kicked out by Basel ? Smile

    Basel, incidentally, are coached by a TOTAL UNKNOWN German called Vogel, a former Bayern Munich youth coach with no real playing career to speak of

    and previously, they caused the odd upset managed by ex-Bayern player Fink, now at HSV

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    Post by Allez les rouges Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:51 pm

    Rez wrote:
    Agooner wrote:@ DD

    yeah were were very defensive away to villareal, but that was understandable given the result in the 1st leg.

    That final could have been one of the best in recent times had it not been for that incompetent ref. The start was very promising with us doing most of the attacking in the opening minutes and barca were also getting into game when that moron sent lehmann off Evil or Very Mad



    I think you should blame the crazy German not the ref, the ref did you a favour. If he had given the goal, Arsenal would have had to chase the game, which is something they hadnt done in the CL that season. They got to the final by scoring first, then defending deep and playing 4-5-1 counter attack football. If you had chased the game against a team like Barca, you would have lost heavily.



    If Henry could score in cup finals then Arsenal fans would have built a statue of the Ref outside the Emirates, for the great service he provided the club.

    Jesus how we miss the United fans eh Smile

    An outstandingly high standard of posting, I think we can all agree.

    Then again I seem to remember this chap knew his dance music Whistle
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    Post by 110% Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:55 pm

    You mean Mourinho whose team is top of la liga, and has been raping their opposition in the CL?
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    Post by fcb Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:26 pm

    I can't believe Agooner is faulting the ref for 'ruining' the 2006 CL final lol!

    It would have helped if he he had correctly spotted the free kick from which Arsenal took the lead as a fucking dive from Eboue.
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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:06 pm

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/golazo-emmanuel-eboue-galatasaray-v-fenerbahce/

    Eboue ok

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