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Will Israel take a dive for Roman's Russians?
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Smaller than the chances of the English blaming some foreigner for their own failings 
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Re: Will Israel take a dive for Roman's Russians?
by Oleguerisntthatbad Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:41 pm
it was the evil pitch and the Spanish ref I tell you...
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Well Cuntalejo is one of the worst refs out there to be honest..
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by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:42 pm
Not that far-fetched considering Abramovich is a huge supporter and benefactor of Israel.
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Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:it was the evil pitch and the Spanish ref I tell you...
He is $h!t...always has been $h!t, even though he gives Italy decisions all the time...and the pitch was atrocious, we shouldn't have to play on a plastic pitch.
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Axeslammer wrote:Smaller than the chances of the English blaming some foreigner for their own failings
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Re: Will Israel take a dive for Roman's Russians?
by lrdsucksgoats Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:14 pm
ih8gerrard wrote:What are the chances of Roman pulling a few strings and getting the result he wants from this match?
Jews? Conspiring?
I won't stand for such ludicrous allegations...
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yeah, because the team and management have completely escaped criticismLuso wrote:Axeslammer wrote:Smaller than the chances of the English blaming some foreigner for their own failings
maybe in previous years you'd have a point, but talk to the average fan in england the last year or so and nobody is positive about the team. sure there's a better feeling when you've just won 5 on the trot but it's not like anyone was proclaiming us favourites or anything. jesus, we've got people booing our own players even we're winning. what more do you want?
so, please, no need for the glib generalisations to kick us when we're down. thanks
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we have a saying in Holland:Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Not that far-fetched considering Abramovich is a huge supporter and benefactor of Israel.
"The innkeeper is like he trusts his guests"
(if an innkeeper is unreliable himself, he'll mistrust his guests)
Not surprising such a suggestion comes from Italy.
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debaser wrote:yeah, because the team and management have completely escaped criticismLuso wrote:Axeslammer wrote:Smaller than the chances of the English blaming some foreigner for their own failings
maybe in previous years you'd have a point, but talk to the average fan in england the last year or so and nobody is positive about the team. sure there's a better feeling when you've just won 5 on the trot but it's not like anyone was proclaiming us favourites or anything. jesus, we've got people booing our own players even we're winning. what more do you want?
so, please, no need for the glib generalisations to kick us when we're down. thanks
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by hellas_eur_cmps Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:50 pm
lets not make "wicked" thoughts about this particular game...
but still the Israel team is 100% unconcerned about the particular game, whereas Russia will definitely play the game of their life...
but still the Israel team is 100% unconcerned about the particular game, whereas Russia will definitely play the game of their life...
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Re: Will Israel take a dive for Roman's Russians?
by christmasborocooper Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:25 am
Zack Thfc wrote:debaser wrote:yeah, because the team and management have completely escaped criticismLuso wrote:Axeslammer wrote:Smaller than the chances of the English blaming some foreigner for their own failings
maybe in previous years you'd have a point, but talk to the average fan in england the last year or so and nobody is positive about the team. sure there's a better feeling when you've just won 5 on the trot but it's not like anyone was proclaiming us favourites or anything. jesus, we've got people booing our own players even we're winning. what more do you want?
so, please, no need for the glib generalisations to kick us when we're down. thanks
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by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:30 am
jonathan de guzman wrote:we have a saying in Holland:Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Not that far-fetched considering Abramovich is a huge supporter and benefactor of Israel.
"The innkeeper is like he trusts his guests"
(if an innkeeper is unreliable himself, he'll mistrust his guests)
Not surprising such a suggestion comes from Italy.
Interesting saying.
I was being kind of facetious by the way. Honestly, Roman is a huge supporter of the state of Israel--fact. It is not completely out of the realm of possibility that a man who hardly made his money transparently could, in theory, ask a country, who have no chance of progressing, to lie down. Berlusconi hardly made his money transparently, so I don't trust him either.
Of course, I don't think it will happen, but what I wanted to point out was that ih8gerrard's post was not completely out there.
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by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:33 am
debaser wrote:yeah, because the team and management have completely escaped criticismLuso wrote:Axeslammer wrote:Smaller than the chances of the English blaming some foreigner for their own failings
maybe in previous years you'd have a point, but talk to the average fan in england the last year or so and nobody is positive about the team. sure there's a better feeling when you've just won 5 on the trot but it's not like anyone was proclaiming us favourites or anything. jesus, we've got people booing our own players even we're winning. what more do you want?
so, please, no need for the glib generalisations to kick us when we're down. thanks
I agree with debaser. The English media have been far from euphoric about this team. The pundits have, but pundits are always a bit nationalistic. I think the media knows the limitations of this team, and of McClaren as well.
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It won't matter IMO. Russia now have all the momentum and belief that England had. Can't see them slipping up, and with all the pressure England will have it tough against Croatia.
But Beckham has just resumed training with LA Galaxy. Odds on him scoring an injury time free kick to just about take England through?
But Beckham has just resumed training with LA Galaxy. Odds on him scoring an injury time free kick to just about take England through?
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Deano Ashton (ENG)(ITA) wrote:Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:it was the evil pitch and the Spanish ref I tell you...
He is $h!t...always has been $h!t, even though he gives Italy decisions all the time...and the pitch was atrocious, we shouldn't have to play on a plastic pitch.
It is the same for everyone else Deano. Even most of the Russians hadn't played on it previously, so it is hardly a great advantage for them.
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On the other hand the Israeli players could get a dream move to an EPL club?
Anyway Israel are pretty good, already drew 1-1 with Russia in Moscow, only lost 3-4 to Croatia at home and drew with England 0-0. A draw would be good enough to put it back in England's hands, with Croatia already qualified, and maybe trying some of their fringe players.
Anyway Israel are pretty good, already drew 1-1 with Russia in Moscow, only lost 3-4 to Croatia at home and drew with England 0-0. A draw would be good enough to put it back in England's hands, with Croatia already qualified, and maybe trying some of their fringe players.
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EMP wrote:Deano Ashton (ENG)(ITA) wrote:Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:it was the evil pitch and the Spanish ref I tell you...
He is $h!t...always has been $h!t, even though he gives Italy decisions all the time...and the pitch was atrocious, we shouldn't have to play on a plastic pitch.
It is the same for everyone else Deano. Even most of the Russians hadn't played on it previously, so it is hardly a great advantage for them.
The guy who scored 2 goals plays on it every week though
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Re: Will Israel take a dive for Roman's Russians?
by dont panic! Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:04 am
and with the best qualifier probably going into the top seeding group..which no one wants..croatia may want to lose against england...
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Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:debaser wrote:yeah, because the team and management have completely escaped criticismLuso wrote:Axeslammer wrote:Smaller than the chances of the English blaming some foreigner for their own failings
maybe in previous years you'd have a point, but talk to the average fan in england the last year or so and nobody is positive about the team. sure there's a better feeling when you've just won 5 on the trot but it's not like anyone was proclaiming us favourites or anything. jesus, we've got people booing our own players even we're winning. what more do you want?
so, please, no need for the glib generalisations to kick us when we're down. thanks
I agree with debaser. The English media have been far from euphoric about this team. The pundits have, but pundits are always a bit nationalistic. I think the media knows the limitations of this team, and of McClaren as well.
Thank you Forza. I wasn't moaning. Personally i blame it all on Gerrard: my nan could have scored that!
I will take any bets that Russia win in Israel. If Israel still had a hope of qualifying then this probably wouldn't be an issue but as they are long-gone it is a distinct possibility.
Roman has his mucky hands in many pies and, no question, he has an awful lot of influence in the footballing circles of both these countries. Im only surprised the main stream british media haven't cottoned on to this yet as it is a great conspiracy theory.
In the sun by friday i reckon.
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Sure Israel have been eliminated from Euro '08, but they can still decide who goes. Unfortunately (for England) the Jews will not bite the hand that feeds them. How could they possibly KO Russia when Roman's team come to town. Of course fratricide has happened before and will happen in the future, but I doubt Israel will KO one of their own in Abramovich.
Moreover, Abramovich doesn't have to pull a Stanley Rous and rig the game at all. Russia is superior to Israel, but it is nice to employ someone by the name of Avram Grant whom has plenty of clout in Israel to make sure his boss is a happy guy all the way to Euro '08.
England must forget about Israel doing the job they couldn't do for themselves. England have much better odds hoping for Macedonia to beat Croatia. England's chances are very slim, but they can forget about counting on Israel beating or drawing against Russia.
Moreover, Abramovich doesn't have to pull a Stanley Rous and rig the game at all. Russia is superior to Israel, but it is nice to employ someone by the name of Avram Grant whom has plenty of clout in Israel to make sure his boss is a happy guy all the way to Euro '08.
England must forget about Israel doing the job they couldn't do for themselves. England have much better odds hoping for Macedonia to beat Croatia. England's chances are very slim, but they can forget about counting on Israel beating or drawing against Russia.
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@ Puro, you keep referring to Rous rigging it in 66. What actual proof do you have to back this up?
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EMP wrote:@ Puro, you keep referring to Rous rigging it in 66. What actual proof do you have to back this up?
English referees McCabe and Dagnall. Very clever by Rous to call up two of his own lieutenants to take out the biggest monster of them all Brasil in group stages. First and only time Brasil have been KO in group stages since they became a powerhouse in football. Corruption is capable of anything even the near impossible.
Argentina and Uruguay were FUCKED in quarterfinals by an English ref in Uruguay-Germany match AND by a German ref in England-Argentina match.
England HAD to win 1966 or else it was gonna be South America winning the WC FOUR straight times. England haven't won a damn thing before or after 1966. Even Perú has managed to win Copa América TWO TIMES.
For ME and millions of Americans (North and South), Rous rigged his own 1966 WC. That 1966 WC was rigged big time, worse than Argentina 1978, but not as bad as Mussolini winning it for Italia.
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England will easily make it to the Euro's...remember the Russians have never been so nice to the Jews! Half of Israhell has clear link with Russia. Inface Israhell are gonna do their best to beat them.
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Yo Fey! what do you make of this Jew?
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/10/18/israel_throw_a_game_to_do_abra.html
I love it when people resort to mystifying verbal chicanery (BULLSHIT!) when they just can't or don't want to admit the obvious. Can't wait to see the odds for this game.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/10/18/israel_throw_a_game_to_do_abra.html
I love it when people resort to mystifying verbal chicanery (BULLSHIT!) when they just can't or don't want to admit the obvious. Can't wait to see the odds for this game.
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I just don't care either way, we haven't been able to do it ourselves so I don't expect anyone else to do it for us.
I'm quite happy not to have any of our youngsters bruised and battered before what will be a very important season anyway.
Haven't watched an England match properly since the world cup.
I'm quite happy not to have any of our youngsters bruised and battered before what will be a very important season anyway.
Haven't watched an England match properly since the world cup.
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Puro wrote:EMP wrote:@ Puro, you keep referring to Rous rigging it in 66. What actual proof do you have to back this up?
English referees McCabe and Dagnall. Very clever by Rous to call up two of his own lieutenants to take out the biggest monster of them all Brasil in group stages. First and only time Brasil have been KO in group stages since they became a powerhouse in football. Corruption is capable of anything even the near impossible.
Argentina and Uruguay were FUCKED in quarterfinals by an English ref in Uruguay-Germany match AND by a German ref in England-Argentina match.
England HAD to win 1966 or else it was gonna be South America winning the WC FOUR straight times. England haven't won a damn thing before or after 1966. Even Perú has managed to win Copa América TWO TIMES.
For ME and millions of Americans (North and South), Rous rigged his own 1966 WC. That 1966 WC was rigged big time, worse than Argentina 1978, but not as bad as Mussolini winning it for Italia.
Germany, 54. It would have been only 3 wins for the South Americans.
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Puro wrote:EMP wrote:@ Puro, you keep referring to Rous rigging it in 66. What actual proof do you have to back this up?
English referees McCabe and Dagnall. Very clever by Rous to call up two of his own lieutenants to take out the biggest monster of them all Brasil in group stages. First and only time Brasil have been KO in group stages since they became a powerhouse in football. Corruption is capable of anything even the near impossible.
Argentina and Uruguay were FUCKED in quarterfinals by an English ref in Uruguay-Germany match AND by a German ref in England-Argentina match.
England HAD to win 1966 or else it was gonna be South America winning the WC FOUR straight times. England haven't won a damn thing before or after 1966. Even Perú has managed to win Copa América TWO TIMES.
For ME and millions of Americans (North and South), Rous rigged his own 1966 WC. That 1966 WC was rigged big time, worse than Argentina 1978, but not as bad as Mussolini winning it for Italia.
your paranoid..
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Re: Will Israel take a dive for Roman's Russians?
by Allez les rouges Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:15 am
gone wrote:Puro wrote:EMP wrote:@ Puro, you keep referring to Rous rigging it in 66. What actual proof do you have to back this up?
English referees McCabe and Dagnall. Very clever by Rous to call up two of his own lieutenants to take out the biggest monster of them all Brasil in group stages. First and only time Brasil have been KO in group stages since they became a powerhouse in football. Corruption is capable of anything even the near impossible.
Argentina and Uruguay were FUCKED in quarterfinals by an English ref in Uruguay-Germany match AND by a German ref in England-Argentina match.
England HAD to win 1966 or else it was gonna be South America winning the WC FOUR straight times. England haven't won a damn thing before or after 1966. Even Perú has managed to win Copa América TWO TIMES.
For ME and millions of Americans (North and South), Rous rigged his own 1966 WC. That 1966 WC was rigged big time, worse than Argentina 1978, but not as bad as Mussolini winning it for Italia.
Germany, 54. It would have been only 3 wins for the South Americans.
I think he's counting Brazil (or, "Brasil") in 1970 as a fait accompli. You have to get into the mindset...