by EMP Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:38 am
@ Puro: Quote function not working in this thread for me anyway, so my response is in bold.
English referees McCabe and Dagnall. Very clever by Rous to call up two of his own lieutenants to take out the biggest monster of them all Brasil in group stages. First and only time Brasil have been KO in group stages since they became a powerhouse in football. Corruption is capable of anything even the near impossible.
Puro when were these referees appointed for those matches? What evidence do you have that they were appointed by Rous to achieve that purpose? In short what is your smoking gun? The result and dodgy refereeing doesn't cut it. What is their history as referees? Isn't it possible that they were crappy refs? Even Colina has had bad games and he is recognised as a good ref. Every competition has dodgy refereeing. For example, by your logic the ruling out of Puskas' goal in 1954 for offside was proof that an English ref was punishing Hungary for daring to thrash England twice. Cr@p refereeing happens. It may be a conspiracy, but on its own it doesn't prove it.
Argentina and Uruguay were FUCKED in quarterfinals by an English ref in Uruguay-Germany match AND by a German ref in England-Argentina match.
Again why can't this simply be bad refereeing without a conspiracy?
England HAD to win 1966 or else it was gonna be South America winning the WC FOUR straight times. England haven't won a damn thing before or after 1966. Even Perú has managed to win Copa América TWO TIMES.
For ME and millions of Americans (North and South), Rous rigged his own 1966 WC. That 1966 WC was rigged big time, worse than Argentina 1978, but not as bad as Mussolini winning it for Italia.
I know Argentina feel robbed and with good reason, but why couldn't that have simply been bad refereeing, rather than conspiracy. Italy and even more so Spain were the victims of outrageous refereeing in South Korea. How is England 66 worse than that? Cameroon had a goal wrongly ruled out for offside in 1982 against Italy. If it had been given Italy would have gone out in the first round. Was that a conspiracy against African football? And there was the outrageous match between West Germany and Austria when a pre-arranged result let both qualify at Algeria's expense. That was worse than anything you came up with. And don't forget the GBH by Harald Schumacher on Batiston. Was Spain 82 fixed for Italy and West Germany?
You have said previously that Videla (or cronies) visited the Peruvian dressing room at half time in the match against Argentina. Second half Peru collapsed as required for Argentina to collapse. This is strong circumstantial evidence of corruptioin as is Mussolini getting the ref he wanted and having dinner with him the night before the final even though that ref should have been barred according to the rules as he had refereed a semi-final. That is proof of corruption. All you have is some circumstances and your interpretation of it. I asked you for proof. Has anyone blown the whistle and revealed that Rous told them what to do? Given that West Germany would feel robbed, the wall has come down, etc. why haven't any Germans come forward to say that there was a dirty deal. After all Mrs Fascistopoulos blew the lid on Panathinaikos after 36 years. I have reservations about her claims, but that is far better evidence than what you have said. Do you have any actual evidence to back up your claims, rather than just your interpretation of events?
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Thats brilliant. There's something deeply poignant about a Saxon/Latino skirmish : 2 totally differing culture sets colliding head on. The Spanish do drama exceptionally well whilst the Aussies are just the opposite- laid back and simple.
