Why Gerrard/Rooney... would hate the Bundesliga

Werder Bremen's replacement for Micoud, their former midfield general, is a Brazilian called Diego who has already impressed in his first games

after two matches he had already notched up a goal and 4 assists

problem is that the other players are getting slightly fed up with his kind of game and voicing their concerns in no uncertains terms

Frings publicly bemoans that Diego is not doing enough DEFENSIVELY; despite the Brazilians being an AMC

Klose joins the chorus of disapproval : "Diego has to learn that he is not alone on the pitch", the old "football is a team-sport--way of thinking" getting the better of the German stars

remember, Diego has only three Bundesliga games under his belt and already his team-mates demand more discipline and less selfish behaviour

Rooney and Gerrard would be put into their place in no time as well

maybe that's exactly what English football needs: all LIONS should at some stage ply their trade in the Bundesliga as a sort of apprenticeship; that way the country would not merely have one player of international class, but 11

http://www.welt.de/data/2006/08/28/1013258.html

Rooney recently said he would not be leaving Manchester United anytime soon ... so a move to the Bundesliga is off then (if there was any such move..)

And Steven Gerrard is Mr Liverpool..

rai Mihawk wrote:
And Steven Gerrard is Mr Liverpool..

Until he almost joins us again

Maybe that is why the Bundesliga isnt anywhere near as good as the prem?

rai Mihawk wrote:Rooney recently said he would not be leaving Manchester United anytime soon ... so a move to the Bundesliga is off then (if there was any such move..)

And Steven Gerrard is Mr Liverpool..

no Steven Gerrard is Stevie Me

If you havent noticed but Rooney and Gerrard are two English players with quite a bit of work rate.
Have you not seen Gerrard running at opposition box or tracking back to defend his own.(Same with Rooney )

BilalShah wrote:If you havent noticed but Rooney and Gerrard are two English players with quite a bit of work rate.
Have you not seen Gerrard running at opposition box or tracking back to defend his own.(Same with Rooney )

I'm glad someone else already made this (extremely obvious) point

Perhaps people here are too bored .

BilalShah wrote:Perhaps people here are too bored .

it is a poor windup... even by otto's standards

Also plenty of Premiership imports are criticized for not tackling back/playing a physical game.

Otto, poor.

Rooney is one of the most defensively sound attackers in the world!!!

I don't know how you got the opinion that he doesn't put in defensive work

And how are you feeling now that Hargreaves looks set to join Man Utd after the whole 'he won't leave Bayern becasue they're such a great non-selling club' spiel?

Even Otto himself once said that Rooney spent far too much time defending to be a strong attacking influence on the game. Saying something like - if he's tracking back as a leftback, how can he affect the game as a forward - something I agree with.

I might make a thread on the Euro legues thread about how Bayern are no longer a 'big' team and see how it goes down

Obispo wrote:Even Otto himself once said that Rooney spent far too much time defending to be a strong attacking influence on the game. Saying something like - if he's tracking back as a leftback, how can he affect the game as a forward - something I agree with.

If he's tracking a leftback then the opposition have the ball, so as a forward he's useless if he doesn't. These days, if a forward doesn't track the opposition when they've got the ball then they're not doing their job properly.

does rooney play total football by himself?

punty wrote:does rooney play total football by himself?

Rooney would be a good player in a 'Total Football' side - Cruijff rates him very highly (only needs to be disciplined).

- he warned Wayne Rooney if he wants to be a world beater he has to do it on and off the pitch.....

everybody playing dumb, heh ??

nobody questions Rooney' or Gerrard's workrate or, in the case of Wayne, his willingness to help defensively

that's not the gist of Klose's , Fring's point

both players believe that footballers have to be disciplined and do what their role requires within the context of teamwork; they would publicly tick off Rooney for wanting to be a defender as well and Gerrard's headless chicken routine would have him in the doghouse after a few minutes

during the World Cup there were two interesting instances

Ballack's press conference where he effectively changed the entire tactics of the Nationalmannschaft because Klinsi and Loew could not hack it; at the same time he PUBLICILY criticised Frings for neglecting his defensive responsibilities; he could have done the same to Lampard/Gerrard/Becks/Rooney/J.Cole

then Klose PUBLICLY folded Podolski because the Cologne youngster was not pulling his weight; Poldi then had to fend off a media avalanche and explain himself; Klose was nice though and would work FOR Poldi to help him break his luck, creating TWO assists for him against Sweden; would have been nice if Becks/Gerrard/Lampard would have done anything for Rooney, either by waking him up at a press conference or linking up with him on the pitch

simple truth is that English players would be slaughtered publicly by German footballers in the Bundesliga and ultimatively also the media and fans; to this day Dortmund fans think Odonkor lacks end-product and say so without reservation

English players will never become international class let alone world class without being exposed to the harsh realities of competitive football

@ Darling

Do you think Klaas Jan Huntelaar will do well in the Bundesliga?

rai Mihawk wrote:@ Darling

Do you think Klaas Jan Huntelaar will do well in the Bundesliga?

@rai

I have not seen enough of Klaas, but if he is half as good as you Dutchies are saying "why not?"

he is too inexperienced for HSV though, a team that has already the lowest average age of any Bundesliga side. They don't need potential but pedigree/experience

van Bommel at Bayern worries me as well. I don't think he is good enough. Have seen him in a few La Liga games, the CL and the World Cup and unless he steps up a few gears he is going to end up like a Makaay :a heavy weight dragging Bayern down

Bayern should have gone for Riquelme , really

and Darling, your views on The ONE in the Premiership?

should he be Chelsea's no1 penalty taker??

German arrogance for you

English footballers are far too polite to publicly criticise their teammates

@ rai

Ballack is certainly a better penalty taker than Lampard, by miles

but Flumps is English and therefore one of only two who can keep up the impression that English players are somewhat important at Chelsea

it won't change

I still cannot see Lampard and Ballack playing alongside each other at the top level; they cancel each other out; very strange

@ tweedle

trawling through the off-topic section and reading your output I get the distinct impression that this is an online version of Nuts/Loaded/FHM

what next ? Asian Babes , Jugs .... ???

Me!

The off topic section is calld as such because its content is generally 'off topic'

They say men think about sex every six seconds - probably explains it

Otto -we have the old 606 smileys on here, thought you'd appreciate it

If you want I can tone down my comments on the off topic board, maybe you can help out and get one of your poetry threads going again

@ Darling

Ballack i agree is the better penalty taker (in his genes) -- what about Cristiano Ronaldo is he in your eyes in the same calibre as Ballack (and can he cope in the Bundesliga?)

Tweedledum wrote: They say men think about sex every six seconds - probably explains it

I thought it was officially every SEVEN seconds

YOU really ARE horny

just beware of getting your jewels into any household equipment whilst being drunk and reading "Camel Toe International"

@ rai

C.Ronaldo is very good as well at penalties. he has the right arrogance

I fear his endless step-overs accompanied by little end-product would prevent him from becoming a crowd favourite though, unless we are talking more about a cult way, a bit like HUUUUUUUTH

will never forget how Ballack took his penalty against the Argies despite suffering from cramps. he was so cool. brilliant

Which threads specifically are you talking about Darling?

N18WNGs one on anal sex?

I didn't really say much in it

I admit I'm a sexually charged fella, better to be that way than the other I say

Cristiano Ronaldo is twice the player of Ballack. Ballack needs to rely on players around him to be world class In the 2002WC was at his best and like Lamps was the go to midfield guy. Ronaldo is not WC yet but can open up many more locks with his indivdual skill.....Ballack will have to show his individual brillance in the EPL this year lets see how he fairs.

Tweedledum wrote:Which threads specifically are you talking about Darling?

N18WNGs one on anal sex?

I didn't really say much in it

I admit I'm a sexually charged fella, better to be that way than the other I say

@ tweedle

you sound like the kind of guy who would clean his pipes with a hoover

just be careful

and remember

ALWAYS BE SAFE

I agree many British players are not disciplined. This is germany's strength. In all honesty when I look back at great spontaneously skilled players around the world Germany are are very low on the chart.

Brian3-5-2 wrote:I agree many British players are not disciplined. This is germany's strength. In all honesty when I look back at great spontaneously skilled players around the world Germany are are very low on the chart.

haha, you obviously know little about Germans

the spontaneous skill we can display with our tongue alone , you would not believe

give a German Joe Public a piece of A3 paper and he is going to recreate Neuschwanstein Castle within 10 minutes applying tongue-origami

don't ask where this can come in handy, but believe me, it CAN