STEVEN GERRARD.

After the special thread about Flump.Let's talk about A REAL english talent:Gerrard.I told you many times you should build a team around him but unfortunately he'll always have to play with overated players like Lampard or Rooney and will never win something at international level.He has everything:Determination,passion,loyalty,talent ect...

He has a great vision,is a great passer and even scores important goals (UEFA final vs Alaves,CL fianl vs Milan,Cup vs West Ham,LC final vs MU ect ect)

This video is awesome too.
For Gerrard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=978-mBWIyZI

Arnaud. Do you think he is good enough to get in the French team

I really rate Stevie G but that guy gets overrated too much , he doesnt have a team build around him at Liverpool where he is the captain never mind England.
England could have easily built their team around Scholes but the rest is history.

Brian2468 wrote:Arnaud. Do you think he is good enough to get in the French team

He is

i give you Makelele and Henry but give us Heskey+Stevie

Dark Savant wrote:I really rate Stevie G but that guy gets overrated too much , he doesnt have a team build around him at Liverpool where he is the captain never mind England.
England could have easily built their team around Scholes but the rest is history.

No he isn't.I have seen all the Liverpool games period 1999-2005 and def Gerrard IS a world class player.i never said the opposite.Otto was claiming Lampard is better but me i kept my view about him:he is awesome.

England was very unlucky in 2002 when Stevie was injured for the WC.With him i'm sure the story could have been different against Brazil.In 2002 England had a real good team.

Seaman-Mills-Campbell-Rio-Cole-Bechkam-Butt-Sinclair-Scholes-Heskey-OWen.I don't understand why Erickson dediced to change Campbell for Terry and Rooney for Emile.The better idea was to keep this team and to simply change Butt for Gerrard and to build the team around him.That's my opinion.

Heskey

All hail lord Gerrard

Arnaud,

Would you utilise Gerrard on the right the way Benitez & England have done, or would you play him in the centre?

Arnaud would do him in the centre I think

Arnaud , you want to play him DMC?

Gerrard is a good player. Like Beckham you have to play him in a specialized way to make up for there lack of close control in close quarters. When in a one on one Gerrard and Beckham cannot hold the ball up good enough.

Oh great, another thread about Gerrard.

Gerrard is the best English player. I'd play him ahead of Makelele, possibly. Hard decision. Only English player that'd get in my French team.

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Gerrard is the best English player. I'd play him ahead of Makelele, possibly. Hard decision. Only English player that'd get in my French team.

Could see him setting up Henry and Saha would be great to see.

Gerrard has step up Henry in that past

I dont get this Maka thing , he is not a DMC.

Dark Savant wrote:I dont get this Maka thing , he is not a DMC.

Football Genius wrote:

Dark Savant wrote:I dont get this Maka thing , he is not a DMC.

:laugh:

I meant comparing him with Gerrard thing , Gerrard is not a DMC.

I remember last year, not only Parreira (bastard) but several journalist in Brazil said that, if we could get one player from England, it will be Gerrard.

juligen21 wrote:I remember last year, not only Parreira (bastard) but several journalist in Brazil said that, if we could get one player from England, it will be Gerrard.

Same in Italy. Even the Italian players themselves were saying they wished they had a midfielder who could do everything like him.

But do you really build a team around that sort of player? I'd prefer to see England based around someone like Joe Cole. Not denying Gerrard's quality, but he's an impact player really. Great to have, but really you either need someone else to be playmaker, or you need to play a team with several other attacking players of equal prominence (wingers, basically). We shouldn't build around him. Just be glad he's there.

Also re. France you'd have to pick between him and Viera really.

How can you build a team around a player who wants to play in every position on the pitch?

I agree England should not be 'built around' Gerrard. The only reason you build a team around one player is because they are a playmaker like Riquelme, but they need the right formation and players around them in order to deliver the end product. Gerrard isn't that kind of player.

However Gerrard is a player who needs to be given licence to roam - so you need to structure the team in a way that will let him move around and other people will cover the gaps. Putting him on the right-hand side helps with this but it makes the team narrower.

Build the team around Michael Carrick. There isnt a pass in the World that boy cant make.

The passing stability he brings to United's midfield is tremendous, and allows Ronaldo plenty of opportunities on the ball.

Superb player who needs a run in the side because right now the major quality England lack is real creativity. Hargreaves wont bring that, Lampard certainly wont, Gerrard brings the drive,

let the passmaster learn how his teammates play like he did for United and by next summer he'll be pinging the strikers in in a way England havent done since Scholes ended his international career.

@ TRWP

Michael Carrick has learnt a lot from Paul Scholes on how to compose yourself in the middle and improved his passing ability .. shame that the current England coach does not have the bottle

Gerrard, Carrick and Hargreaves = a good Central Midfield selction.

I Am Weasel wrote:Build the team around Michael Carrick. There isnt a pass in the World that boy cant make.

The passing stability he brings to United's midfield is tremendous, and allows Ronaldo plenty of opportunities on the ball.

Superb player who needs a run in the side because right now the major quality England lack is real creativity. Hargreaves wont bring that, Lampard certainly wont, Gerrard brings the drive,

let the passmaster learn how his teammates play like he did for United and by next summer he'll be pinging the strikers in in a way England havent done since Scholes ended his international career.

Thats what we need so badly, someone to set the tempo. Most top teams have one and Hargreaves, Gerrard and Lampard can't do it.

Carrick silently improved the Man U middle this year. Then again having Scholes, Carrick, Ronaldo, and Giggs all can hold the ball up. What do England have....Joe Cole....Hargreaves...Carrick. Playing with two DMC and letting Gerrard have a free role would be worth trying....If Cole can play on both sides England may get the best out of Gerrard.

Play

-----------Carrick------Hargreaves-----------


Lennon----------Gerrard-----------------J Cole

--------------------Crouch-----------------------

Like Liverpool played against Arsenal , is it that necessary to play with 2 strikers.

Dark Savant wrote:Play

-----------Carrick------Hargreaves-----------


Lennon----------Gerrard-----------------J Cole

--------------------Crouch-----------------------

Like Liverpool played against Arsenal , is it that necessary to play with 2 strikers.

Do you really think that Lennon is that good to hold down a place. I'd rather have an extra goalscoring striker.....
But its better than what we have been playing...

We need pace and somebody who can stretch defenses , the outlet to who Carrick , Gerrard can pass the ball long to.