Gerrard

who could forget the "most complete midfielder in the world " (Hansen) hype around the lad

a few seasons onwards

including dismal performances for club and COUNTRY

and the shine is gone

or is it

out of 10, where would you rate him these days

10.

Next.

Roger Hunt wrote:10.

Next.

10

better than Ballack, younger than Ballack, won more than Ballack

if Kaka cost £1.000.000 on the transfer market

what would the price of Gerrard be these days

before the recent price hike, Gerrard was valued at around £30m. At the same time Ballack was sold for £0m

Glenn Hysén wrote:before the recent price hike, Gerrard was valued at around £30m. At the same time Ballack was sold for £0m

hence my suggestion to compare his current VALUE with that of Kaka

Dolly wrote:who could forget the "most complete midfielder in the world " (Hansen) hype around the lad

a few seasons onwards

including dismal performances for club and COUNTRY

and the shine is gone

or is it

out of 10, where would you rate him these days

Gerrard has scored 13 times this season.

By his standards, indeed cr@p.

Hasn't been his best by any standards, but still , alongside Torres has helped pull Liverpool out of the 'mire enough times to prove his value.

Incomparably better than Ballack

Dolly wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:before the recent price hike, Gerrard was valued at around £30m. At the same time Ballack was sold for £0m

hence my suggestion to compare his current VALUE with that of Kaka

his VALUE to who?

it's like saying

Q: is Ruth pretty
A: not as pretty as she could be; but still incomparibly prettier than Sally Gunnell

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Dolly wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:before the recent price hike, Gerrard was valued at around £30m. At the same time Ballack was sold for £0m

hence my suggestion to compare his current VALUE with that of Kaka

his VALUE to who?

his value to the factor of X

stupid

Dolly wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Dolly wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:before the recent price hike, Gerrard was valued at around £30m. At the same time Ballack was sold for £0m

hence my suggestion to compare his current VALUE with that of Kaka

his VALUE to who?

his value to the factor of X

stupid

£1000000

I would say that a Gerrard is worth around 0.6 of a Kaka in today's transfer market. Kaka being 2 years younger obviously has an impact on that.

Messi is probably worth 1.2 Kakas

My favourite ever Gerrard post taken from Redcafe


'Gerrard always was and always will be a poor mans Roy Keane. Even when Keane was 33 with a dodgy hip and knee he'd have Gerrard on a short leash when we ever we played that lot. Keano would slow the game down and Gerrard would be running around like a headless chicken wasting his energy and when he was fucked Keane would speed it up and "Stevie G" would go missing, meandering around the part aimlessly like a looking for his mum in a shopping centre, and after a while, once Gerrard got some energy back and summoned up a bit of courage to sprint around like an idiot again, spraying pointless and easily cut out long balls, Keano would slow it down and Gerrard would do his little fish-out-of-water routine again. If it wasn't so pathetic it might have been funny, and if I have had a little more compassion I'd probably feel sorry for him.

You would have thought he'd grow out of it, but he hasn't.'

Don Fabio wrote:

Dolly wrote:who could forget the "most complete midfielder in the world " (Hansen) hype around the lad

a few seasons onwards

including dismal performances for club and COUNTRY

and the shine is gone

or is it

out of 10, where would you rate him these days

Gerrard has scored 13 times this season.

By his standards, indeed cr@p.

Hasn't been his best by any standards, but still , alongside Torres has helped pull Liverpool out of the 'mire enough times to prove his value.

Incomparably better than Ballack

You don't hactually believe that.

@ spanky's comment: Chins

Glenn Hysén wrote:10

better than Ballack, younger than Ballack, won more than Ballack

You cant argue with the facts

Nummer 14 wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:10

better than Ballack, younger than Ballack, won more than Ballack

You cant argue with the facts

YOU can't argue with or without facts

wahre G

Dolly wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:10

better than Ballack, younger than Ballack, won more than Ballack

You cant argue with the facts

YOU can't argue with or without facts

wahre G

Read what Glenn wrote, more truth in that than what comes out of your backside.

His last good game playing in CM against a top team came when the opposition played a Lampard-Mikel CM. Says it all. he'll never be a top class CM to me, because of his inability to retain a ball in possession.

I've always said his best position is as the attacking player in a midfield 3.

Allez les rouges wrote:

Don Fabio wrote:

Dolly wrote:who could forget the "most complete midfielder in the world " (Hansen) hype around the lad

a few seasons onwards

including dismal performances for club and COUNTRY

and the shine is gone

or is it

out of 10, where would you rate him these days

Gerrard has scored 13 times this season.

By his standards, indeed cr@p.

Hasn't been his best by any standards, but still , alongside Torres has helped pull Liverpool out of the 'mire enough times to prove his value.

Incomparably better than Ballack

You don't hactually believe that.

@ spanky's comment: Chins

When you consider Dolly Parton appears to believe Saha is better than Rooney, I'd say in this bizarre parrallel reality, this comment shouldn't be so hard to believe.

I base it on the fact that whatever anyone thinks about Stevie G in terms of international performances, he has played and won everything there is to win in Club football, other than the Premiership.

In terms of a big game player, few can say they played/scored and won a UEFA cup, FA cup, Super Cup, Champions League and Carling Cup final

On form, he is one of the best impact players out there; irrespective of his known weaknesses or lack of apparent footballing intelligence.

He can be an irresistable force at times.

13 goals this season, and being deemed a failure says it all

Spurs Medical Centre™ wrote:His last good game playing in CM against a top team came when the opposition played a Lampard-Mikel CM. Says it all. he'll never be a top class CM to me, because of his inability to retain a ball in possession.

I've always said his best position is as the attacking player in a midfield 3.

Another very good point – a player like him (or Lampard) can work very well in a Chavski-style defensive (and to my taste very unattractive) 4-5-1/4-3-3 with two more defensive midfielders, playing to his strengths and nullifying his weaknesses.

Senor Woody wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:

Don Fabio wrote:

Dolly wrote:who could forget the "most complete midfielder in the world " (Hansen) hype around the lad

a few seasons onwards

including dismal performances for club and COUNTRY

and the shine is gone

or is it

out of 10, where would you rate him these days

Gerrard has scored 13 times this season.

By his standards, indeed cr@p.

Hasn't been his best by any standards, but still , alongside Torres has helped pull Liverpool out of the 'mire enough times to prove his value.

Incomparably better than Ballack

You don't hactually believe that.

@ spanky's comment: Chins

When you consider Dolly Parton appears to believe Saha is better than Rooney, I'd say in this bizarre parrallel reality, this comment shouldn't be so hard to believe.

I base it on the fact that whatever anyone thinks about Stevie G in terms of international performances, he has played and won everything there is to win in Club football, other than the Premiership.

In terms of a big game player, few can say they played/scored and won a UEFA cup, FA cup, Super Cup, Champions League and Carling Cup final

On form, he is one of the best impact players out there; irrespective of his known weaknesses or lack of apparent footballing intelligence.

He can be an irresistable force at times.

13 goals this season, and being deemed a failure says it all

This isn't about what Dolly Parton thinks Bernd; you're a bright guy and we all know what Gerrard's strengths and weaknesses are.

Equally, you know your stuff in football well enough to see why people would consider Ballack a more complete midfielder than Gerrard.

Especially as what people call a "CM".

@ Pele

4 of those 13 goals were against Championship clubs.

3 of the remanding 9 are penalties.

Allez les rouges wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:

Don Fabio wrote:

Dolly wrote:who could forget the "most complete midfielder in the world " (Hansen) hype around the lad

a few seasons onwards

including dismal performances for club and COUNTRY

and the shine is gone

or is it

out of 10, where would you rate him these days

Gerrard has scored 13 times this season.

By his standards, indeed cr@p.

Hasn't been his best by any standards, but still , alongside Torres has helped pull Liverpool out of the 'mire enough times to prove his value.

Incomparably better than Ballack

You don't hactually believe that.

@ spanky's comment: Chins

When you consider Dolly Parton appears to believe Saha is better than Rooney, I'd say in this bizarre parrallel reality, this comment shouldn't be so hard to believe.

I base it on the fact that whatever anyone thinks about Stevie G in terms of international performances, he has played and won everything there is to win in Club football, other than the Premiership.

In terms of a big game player, few can say they played/scored and won a UEFA cup, FA cup, Super Cup, Champions League and Carling Cup final

On form, he is one of the best impact players out there; irrespective of his known weaknesses or lack of apparent footballing intelligence.

He can be an irresistable force at times.

13 goals this season, and being deemed a failure says it all

This isn't about what Dolly Parton thinks Bernd; you're a bright guy and we all know what Gerrard's strengths and weaknesses are.

Equally, you know your stuff in football well enough to see why people would consider Ballack a more complete midfielder than Gerrard.

Especially as what people call a "CM".

Whose stats are better in Football Manager 2008?

That should settle this. Football Manager is the Oracle of all knowledge.

Regarding Otto (is he now Dolly or Darling, Im confounded): I believe the old chap might have been drinking heavily this morning. Might explain the high volume of threads (perhaps inappropriate to be :aling: what is essentially a disease)

Cant stand Gerrard, but hes a better player than Ballack true story

A wonderfully original thread otto

Bravo

COTR wrote:A wonderfully original thread otto

Bravo

I, probably, have not posted ANYTHING about Gerrard since way before the World Cup

obviously, the WC made him look distinctly average

since then he was even worse in the EC qualifiers

he acted as captain for England where his complete lack of leadership was once again exposed, as said by many of us on here with regard to his "heroic CL performance" against Milan

ever since then, people have stopped talking and raving about Gerrard

so the question is above is HONEST and HEARTFELT

does anybody still rate the lad

Dolly wrote:

COTR wrote:A wonderfully original thread otto

Bravo

I, probably, have not posted ANYTHING about Gerrard since way before the World Cup

obviously, the WC made him look distinctly average

since then he was even worse in the EC qualifiers

he acted as captain for England where his complete lack of leadership was once again exposed, as said by many of us on here with regard to his "heroic CL performance" against Milan

ever since then, people have stopped talking and raving about Gerrard

so the question is above is HONEST and HEARTFELT

does anybody still rate the lad

Ask anyone who plays with him or against him otto and you will have your answer

WG


Now apply the exact same question to ballack and see what your answer is

Dolly wrote:

COTR wrote:A wonderfully original thread otto

Bravo

I, probably, have not posted ANYTHING about Gerrard since way before the World Cup

obviously, the WC made him look distinctly average

since then he was even worse in the EC qualifiers

he acted as captain for England where his complete lack of leadership was once again exposed, as said by many of us on here with regard to his "heroic CL performance" against Milan

ever since then, people have stopped talking and raving about Gerrard

so the question is above is HONEST and HEARTFELT

does anybody still rate the lad

Gerrard's personality lets him down, but otherwise hes still a fantastic player and will be yet for a long time.