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    Post by Tweesus Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:03 am

    Hilarious stuff in the press today.

    The Times are saying that if Newcastle lose on Wednesday, they'll sack Allardyce and replace him with Shearer!

    lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

    Sacked in the morning, sang the Blackburn fans gleefully as Sam Allardyce walked down the tunnel after seeing his side make it four defeats in five games, and perhaps he will be. Even if he survives, defeat by Arsenal at St James’ Park on Wednesday will almost certainly see Allardyce lose his job and Alan Shearer take over the coaching role.

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    Post by Ricardo Jol Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:11 am

    Shearer? are you for real...? I thought no one was bigger than Shearer... Not even the board of Newcastle...

    If that's the case they can bring back their very successful manager Ruud Gullit! Whistle
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    Post by Tweesus Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:13 am

    The sick thing is that I'm pretty sure Gullit would actually do a better job!
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    Post by Dick Grayson Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:31 am

    Jose Mourniho would be the RIGHT man for the job. ok
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    Post by Tweesus Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:36 am

    Dick Grayson wrote:Jose Mourniho would be the RIGHT man for the job. ok

    Doubt it.

    More than anything else, Geordies value entertainment. Van Gaal, would be the perfect man for the job. Might even be worth a punt with Jol.
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    Post by Zack Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:17 am

    Sacked in the morning, sang the Blackburn fans gleefully as Sam Allardyce walked down the tunnel after seeing his side make it four defeats in five games, and perhaps he will be. Even if he survives, defeat by Arsenal at St James’ Park on Wednesday will almost certainly see Allardyce lose his job and Alan Shearer take over the coaching role.

    lol! lol!

    Seriously perhaps the most tactical inept manager of our time, making Mclaren seem like a tactical Genius? I basing this on his cringeworthy Analysis on MOTD...

    Funny thing is, the Geordies will love it.....
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:25 am

    They discussed this on the Sunday Supplement and the problem is that the new owner, Ashley, is a fan and moreover listens to other fans which is not a sensible way to run a football club. It may well happen and I'm sure Shearer would be on the top of the list. I don't think he would be stupid enough to say yes but if he is pressurised by the media, the fans, club board, who knows? It would be a classic Newcastle scenario.
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    Post by Kimbo Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:11 pm

    I think Shearer will be a good coach, but Sam is going nowhere for the time being. Just more anti-Newcastle tosh from the southern press. ok
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    Post by debaser Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:15 pm

    they've got a nice run of fixtures after the arsenal one. as long as they don't jump the gun and sack him if arsenal beat them, he should be able to get a few wins and ease the pressure.

    of course, if he doesn't get at least 8/9 points out of these 4, he might be on his way:

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    Post by Kimbo Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:21 pm

    We'll win against Brum and Derby, but we'll go to Fulham and Wigan looking to "contain" them and get a 0-0 draw, and we will come a cropper, maybe we'll get a point out of it. That's why people have been pissed off, it's not the results, it's the attitude of "a draw will do" in every game.
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:25 pm

    I Don't understand which type of coach do newcastle fans want? and with which certain qualities?
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    Post by Zack Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:30 pm

    Merry Krimbo wrote:We'll win against Brum and Derby, but we'll go to Fulham and Wigan looking to "contain" them and get a 0-0 draw, and we will come a cropper, maybe we'll get a point out of it. That's why people have been pissed off, it's not the results, it's the attitude of "a draw will do" in every game.

    Even though you lost yesterday, their weren't no "a draw will do" attitude against Blackburn. So perhaps if you play with that mentality against the likes of Fulham and Wigan, you may not be going their for a draw..

    That pretty much been your problem this season, the Fear of conceding. Its a mentality thats been settling in to your defenders and the team (From Allardyce), hence the cautious approach...
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    Post by Bashmachkin Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:10 pm

    I dont think Allardyce will be sacked whatever happens in the Arsenal game. I think if we had performed against Blackburn as we did against Liverpool last week, and if after that we went and lost at home to Arsenal, then he might have gone. But our performance against Blackburn was much more positive, our football much improved, our side more balanced. And so I think hes safe for the time being.

    That said, Im not sure whether he should be safe. Its true that certain things take time and require patience, and to see the benefit of Allardyces fitness regime we will need to wait a while. I dont know much about his training methods, but, with the rumours that some of the players have been unhappy with them, its also true that it will take time for the players to adapt to any unusual or new approaches to training. The problem is the number of bad decisions he has made this season when it comes to team selection, to tactics, to substitutions; his negative mentality; and the fact he seems to confuse the team and appears to struggle to motivate them. The game yesterday was a significant improvement because, in playing a 4-3-3, we had a more balanced line-up whilst the players looked up for the game. As I said yesterday, considering Allardyce looks unlikely to go for a 4-4-2 with two proper wide players and full backs, then a 4-3-3 might be the best formation for us, because it gives more balance. In his 4-4-2s to date Allardyce has sacrificed one wing entirely in order, presumably, to make us more solid defensively - but it doesnt work because it means the team lacks balance, players are suited for their positions, whilst the style of play where we hoof the ball means that we are constantly under pressure.

    Yesterday was certainly more positive, and we played perhaps our best football so far this season. Whether it marked a conscious, fundamental change in Allardyce's outlook after last weeks nadir, or whether it was simply a one off and less of a change in style than a consequence of hyped up players - this remains to be seen. The hope is that Allardyce is going to be more flexible from now on and play in a more positive way. It would certainly be about time, and so far this season hes shown a remarkable ability to ignore problems, a failure to learn from mistakes, a stubbornness. And its obviously still a big concern that hes picking favourites like Smith and Geremi. Really, the midfield could do with a big shake up.

    Perhaps he does deserve longer. As debaser says, after the Arsenal game, the next four matches shouldnt be too difficult. But after that we have a dreadful run of ten games from the end of December until early March - we play all of the top four, Arsenal and Liverpool away and Man Utd twice, as well as Villa away, and I think we play City and Blackburn too. And that emphasises that our start to the season has been an easy one - this little run of Liverpool, Blackburn, Arsenal is by far the toughest we have faced so far. So really the owners are in a tricky position, because if Allardyce does survive the Arsenal game then the next little run takes him up until the January window, at which point it will be harder to change managers. And so if hes still here after Arsenal, in a sense we are relying on him for the rest of the season. Incidentally, I wouldnt look forward in the slightest to January with Allardyce here. Id guess we'd bring in more Smiths and Geremis, and there have been rumours that we would try to bring in Ben Haim, which wouldnt improve us. Allardyce has an eye for supposed hard working and experience rather than talent.

    I wouldnt want Shearer as manager at the moment, because I think a little more time away from the game might be beneficial in giving him a broader perspective. Id actually like a foreign manager, who could look at the club from a fresh perspective and who wouldnt pick based on nationality or on supposed hard working but would pick on ability, and who would bring a positive, expansive outlook.

    That said, I think its ridiculous how many people presume Shearer would be a bad manager. I have faith that he will in time be a good one. Every pundit about in England talks in banalities and half the managers in the Premier League do the same, and its absurd to judge him based on his Match of the Day appearances (incidentally, he was a better pundit when he appeared on Sky - the BBC adds to the banality). Shearer is a very level headed guy, one of the best players the Premiership has seen, who was sufficiently clever and nuanced as a player to alter his game after long term injuries, coming back still as effective as ever, which in itself shows a certain understanding of the game. Hes also worked under various managers, two of whom, Robson and Keegan, are the best English managers the Premiership has seen; he has a lot of experience; he lead by example on the pitch. Judging him fairly, everything would suggest that, in terms of experience, in terms of respecting fellow professionals, in terms of footballing intellect, he is a class above the likes of Keane, Hughes, Bruce, Coleman, all of whom have more or less recently made the move from player to manager after little time out and with degrees of success.
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:13 pm

    footballing intellect? please tell me you are joking Wink
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    Post by Bashmachkin Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:21 pm

    No, no, absolutely serious! I dont think judging his footballing nous based on his Match of the Day comments is very fair, because I think the Match of the Day set up seems very limiting and Ive yet to hear a pundit who doesnt frequently talk in banalities. His ability on the pitch as well as the way in which he was able to modify his game after injury suggests to me a natural understanding of the game. And I think his character plus his experience under other managers would make him understand players and treat them with respect. I think hes capable of turning into a good manager.
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    Post by fcb Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:18 pm

    I think the main problem Allardyce is having is deciding whether to stick with his trusted "kick them and then play a long ball" (that's what it is, don't let him or his defenders fool you) 4-3-3 formation from Bolton, or try something more positive in keeping with the expectations of Newcastle fans. Hence the constantly bizarre team selections. Add to the fact that many players are not settled in and are turning in hugely inconsistent performances, and it makes for some poor football and results.

    Whatever happens though, it would be wrong to sack him now...he should be given at least until the end of the season.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:01 pm

    Sacking Allardyce makes little sense. Give the guy a season to see if he can iron out the mistakes. Some of his decisions have been very poor, and 11.5 million for Barton and Smith is a farce. He needs to cut adrift some of the dead wood and learn that playing four physical midfielders is only allowed for teams threatened with relegation who have no other choices. Allardyce in theory has a top 6 squad, particularly with Spurs having committed suicide this season.

    Shearer - I wouldn't even contemplate it. If we've truly reached a point with English football whereby a guy with no experience whatsoever can walk into a job at one of the top 10 sides in the country purely because he's a local hero and ex-player then we might as well pack up and forget about ever winning a world cup again.

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