If Allardyce becomes Newcastle manager....

Ok prediction time.

It looks like he's the forerunner for the post. What kind of changes will he ring?

Its a well known fact that his Bolton time relied on strength and organisation over pace, guile and flair. Having said that though, tis season they have in parts played some decent football.

But what was the reasoning behind his tactics? was he merely working with what he had or could afford to buy and fitting the tactics to best suit the personnel or is there a more deeply based inherant love foll the target man tactic?

So at Newcastle he'll be presented with a squad that generally lacks physical presense. The squad without signings would probably be:

------------Given------------

Solano--Taylor--Moore--Carr

Milner---Parker--Dyer--N'Zogbia

--------Martins--Owen------

Virtually no one aside from Taylor has any physical presence or innate aerial ability.

Up front Owen is almost the antithesis of the type of player that Allardyce loves - he isn't big, he doesn't work that hard - will this mean the end of Owen. After all, he's very injury prone and Martins can arguably do as good a job as him.

So Champo time, you're given £20m and you pretend that you're Allardyce, what would you do? Apparently he wants to sell Dyer.

For me:

Sell

Owen - £10m
Dyer - £10m

Buy

Faye - £4m (from Bolton)
Boula - £5m
Brown - £5m (From Scotland)
Johnson, Glenn - £6m
Baines - £6m
Huntelaar - £14m

Squad:

-------------Given-------------

Johnson--Taylor---Boula---Baines

Milner----Faye--Brown/Parker---N'Zog/Duff

----------Huntelaar--Martins

Huntelaar goes to Juve...

who the fudge is going to pay £10m for Dyer?

football wrote:who the fudge is going to pay £10m for Dyer?

If Young cost £9m its not too hard to use your imagination and think £10m for Dyer

Tweedle wrote:
Baines - £6m

he's English, he's left footed, he's 22.

Tweedle wrote:

football wrote:who the fudge is going to pay £10m for Dyer?

If Young cost £9m its not too hard to use your imagination and think £10m for Dyer

Ashley Young? Isn't he 7 years younger than injury prone Dyer?

football wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

football wrote:who the fudge is going to pay £10m for Dyer?

If Young cost £9m its not too hard to use your imagination and think £10m for Dyer

Ashley Young? Isn't he 7 years younger than injury prone Dyer?

Maybe, but two seasons ago Chelsea were linked with a £20m bid for Dyer.

Its possible, if not then maybe put it as £5m - these are only guesses. For all we know, Sam might be given a transfer kitty of £30m

has Ashley Young ever been filmed urinating in public?
has Ashley Young ever been linked with the gang rape of a 17 year old girl?
has Ashley Young ever been arrested for indecent exposure?
had a fight on the pitch with a team mate?
crashed his Ferrari in the middle of town?
set fire to £50 notes in public?

Dyer's on £60k a week and is not going to attract a bigger club than Newcastle.

You'd be lucky to get rid of him on a free

Out -

Bramble - 50p
Carr - 1.5 million
Butt - 2 million
Emre - 4 million
Duff - 5 million

Total - £12,500,000.50

In -

Haim - Free
Brown - £5 million
Young - 2.5 million
Bridge - 5 million
Faye - 4 million
Sidwell - Free
Viduka - Free

Total - £16,500,000


Gks - Given, Harper
Fullbacks - Young, Bridge, Solano
Centrebacks - Taylor, Haim, Brown
Centre mids - Sidwell, Faye, Parker
Wingers - Dyer, N'Zogbia, Milner
Strikers - Martins, Owen, Viduka

Parks lives wrote:Out -

Bramble - 50p
Carr - 1.5 million
Butt - 2 million
Emre - 4 million
Duff - 5 million

Total - £12,500,000.50

Again, your out fees are over estimated and your in fees are underestimated.

Stephen Carr and Nicky Butt would not command a fee, Duff because of his wages would not intrest anyone apart from maybe Spurs, Emre similarly.

Sell:

Bramble, Moore, Carr, and Babayaro - all frees or nominal fees
Emre - £5m
Dyer - £5m
Luque - £1m( although apparently he's going to be on loan at PSV next season)

Buy:

Baines - £4m(Wigan are getting relegated so knock a couple of mil of the price)
Viduka - Free
A couple of CBs- Possibly Hyypia, but i'd be happy with someone like Distin who has more pace. Ben Haim maybe aswell.
A CM - Sidwell is the obvious choice, but if someone more creative became available then i would go for them. We need someone that can make a defence splitting pass really.


------------------Given-----------------

Solano--Taylor(C)--Hyypia(?)--Baines

Milner--Parker--Sidwell(?)--N'Zogbia

--------Martins--Owen/Viduka--------


For me the Martins/Owen thing isn't really an issue, a good strike partnership isn't about having one small guy and one big guy, it's about have 2 guys with very different qualities, and that's what Owen and Martins are. Owen is a poacher and hangs off the shoulder of the last man and Martins always looks better when he's dropping back the midfield and helping out there, this season he hasn't been able to do that as he's been the main striker.

On Sam, the "hoofball" issue doesn't worry me. Bolton have played some alright stuff the season and whenever he's had money top spend he has gone for flair players(Anelka, Diouf). I think at Bolton he was merely playing a style that suited the players he had.

Mine are excellent and should not be compared with Tweedle's.

If Keane does decide to buy Butt for Sunderland, he won't get him on a free.

Out
M. Owen - £9m
O. Martins - £9m

In
J. Hartson - free
D. Windass - free
M. Viduka - free
H. Kewell - free
C. Davies - £9m
W. Bridge - £6m
L. Young - £6m

football wrote:
Again, your out fees are over estimated and your in fees are underestimated.

Stephen Carr and Nicky Butt would not command a fee, Duff because of his wages would not intrest anyone apart from maybe Spurs, Emre similarly.

I think Galatasary and Fenerbache would spend a fair bit to get Emre.

Kimbo wrote:

football wrote:
Again, your out fees are over estimated and your in fees are underestimated.

Stephen Carr and Nicky Butt would not command a fee, Duff because of his wages would not intrest anyone apart from maybe Spurs, Emre similarly.

I think Galatasary and Fenerbache would spend a fair bit to get Emre.

I agree, but his wages would be a stumbling block, you'll probably end up paying him off.

Out

Carr
Ramage
Bernard
Butt
emre
siberski
babayaro
moore
Luque
In

Barton
Sidwell
West Brown
Baines
young
nugent


given harper

young solano brown taylor bramble baines huntington edgar

dyer milner n zogbia duff parker barton sidwell

amoebi owen martins

Championship Manager mode:

Out: Michael Owen (£12 million)
Emre (£5 million)
Albert Luque (£4 million)

In:
Steven Sidwell (Bosman Free)
Mattieu Flamini (£2 million)
Tal Ben Haim (Bosman Free)
Darren Bent (£10 million)
Gareth Bale (£8 million)
Nedum Onuoha (£4 million)

------------------- Given

-- Onuoha -- Haim -- Taylor -- Bale

-- Milner -- Parker -- Sidwell -- N'Zogbia

--------------- Bent -- Martins

Cesc wrote:Gareth Bale (£8 million)

I was wondering if F Sam would try something along these lines - sign a bunch of hyped youngsters in direct opposition to his "throwing enough $h!t" reputation with golden oldies.

I wonder how much a team of flavour of the month wonderbrits would cost?

A new thread maybe. After my sandwiches.

i don't think you can assume allardyce will go for building a bolton-type team. look at o'neill - everyone says he only wants his teams to play one way, hard to beat, big man up front. okay, we've signed carew, but the other signings - young, maloney, petrov - do not suggest that's he wants us to play like leicester, long-term.

i'd say he'll go for: distin, gardner, young for the defence. sidwell & 1 more for midfield. viduka/similar up front. that'd make a good team with decent depth.

why will he suddenly start buying english talent if he didnt do it before. i mean he has money now but he will prop not stray too far from his normal signings.

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:why will he suddenly start buying english talent if he didnt do it before. i mean he has money now but he will prop not stray too far from his normal signings.

So you think he'll bring in alot of cheap old foreign players?

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:why will he suddenly start buying english talent if he didnt do it before. i mean he has money now but he will prop not stray too far from his normal signings.

because he never had the money to do so at bolton? he tried for andy johnson, didn't he..

who knows. people thought wenger was only buying young foreign players because he had no money but he has bought the same the last two years despite claims from the club that he does have money. i gues he will prob buy english/british players but i think he wil also use scouts.

Arsenal do have money but you can get a lot more for £10m in Germany than you can for £10m in Britain - its that simple

We do have money but we cannot overspend due to the stadium costs. We have brought in a lot of youngsters to help the sustainablity of the squad but Wenger has also brough in experience in Tomas Rosicky and William Gallas.

Wengers hands are not tied.

Can't see Bale or Ben Haim ending up at Newcastle...

Leighton Baines will be a Tottenham player next season, I'm at least 80% sure of that.

Lucas Deano Neill wrote:Can't see Bale or Ben Haim ending up at Newcastle...

Leighton Baines will be a Tottenham player next season, I'm at least 80% sure of that.

Why not Ben Haim in particular?

I agree on Bale

Ben Haim I certainly could see him going to Newcastle.

Bale - No. But it was my Championship Manager Newcastle team.

What makes you so sure about Baines?

Ben Haim- could go there IF Allardyce is there to be honest, I actually forgot about that factor (before Kimbo has a whinge at me)

Bale-When Man Utd and Tottenham are interested, he won't go to Newcastle.

Baines-I have my sources, I'm almost certain he'll be going there.

Personally i wouldn't want Bale, i want someone more proven than that.