Premier League: from Sat 8 Dec 2007 to Sun 9 Dec 2007

Chap wrote:

Hlebanukkah wrote:

Bullshit. Hleb, Fabregas and Flamini one man team. You take 3/4 of any teams midfield away and they'll struggle.

Flamini really shouldn't be missed - he's had a good start to the season, but Diarra is the better player. Losing Hleb wouldn't be so bad if Walcott/a real winger had started instead of Eboue. But without Fabregas there's no effective playmaker. Rosicky is out wide, Denilson hasn't fully matured.

One man team was overdoing it, but without him the passing game suffers massively.

Nah, Hleb may start on the right/left but there is no way he's a winger. Hleb cuts inside all the time and affectively keeps the ball moving forward for us. Sure Fabregas does it too but look at how many of out attacks are started by a perceptive ball by Hleb.
As for Flamini, we shouldnt miss him but i was watching the game today and for the most part i couldnt actually see the midfield. It ween Toure, Middlesborough's team than Adebayor who was usually standing in an offside postion. We had no driving force or combatative nature in the midfield which Flamini provides. I cannot remember Gilberto doing anything....

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Poor Hatton

Oh Lordy It's Otto wrote:Spurs score, Chinbonda 1-0

Offside but given?

Oh Lordy It's Otto wrote:Wenger should have signed Tuncay in the summer, he was free FFS

I think Liverpool should have gone in for him.

As a second striker he would have been a great foil for Torres or Crouch. In a 4-3-3 he can also play as a left sided wide player.

Tuncay looks a better player than Voronin.

Oh Lordy It's Otto wrote:Spurs score, Chinbonda 1-0

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Cesc wrote:

Oh Lordy It's Otto wrote:Wenger should have signed Tuncay in the summer, he was free FFS

I think Liverpool should have gone in for him.

As a second striker he would have been a great foil for Torres or Crouch. In a 4-3-3 he can also play as a left sided wide player.

Tuncay looks a better player than Voronin.

he looked good today. Spurs should have gone in for Voronin, at £0 he's significantly cheaper than Bent and he and Berbatov have previous.

I don't know how Arsenal can 'miss' Flamini since he's only just broken into the first team. Gleb, Rosicky, Percy and Cesc is a different matter. Are any of them back for Chelsea?

Oh Lordy It's Otto wrote:

Cesc wrote:

Oh Lordy It's Otto wrote:Wenger should have signed Tuncay in the summer, he was free FFS

I think Liverpool should have gone in for him.

As a second striker he would have been a great foil for Torres or Crouch. In a 4-3-3 he can also play as a left sided wide player.

Tuncay looks a better player than Voronin.

he looked good today. Spurs should have gone in for Voronin, at £0 he's significantly cheaper than Bent and he and Berbatov have previous.

I don't know how Arsenal can 'miss' Flamini since he's only just broken into the first team. Gleb, Rosicky, Percy and Cesc is a different matter. Are any of them back for Chelsea?

I think we can "miss Flamini" considering the central midfield performance that was shown today.

Cesc wrote:

Oh Lordy It's Otto wrote:Wenger should have signed Tuncay in the summer, he was free FFS

I think Liverpool should have gone in for him.

As a second striker he would have been a great foil for Torres or Crouch. In a 4-3-3 he can also play as a left sided wide player.

Tuncay is a better player than Voronin.

He would have been someone I loved to have signed back in the summer, shame he is playing for Boro as he can play for a much bigger team thats for sure

Hlebanukkah wrote:
I think we can "miss Flamini" considering the central midfield performance that was shown today.

but of all the positions, you have Flamini, Silva, Diarrahea, Denílson, Song Billabong - that's deeper than any other position. I'm not buying it.

Well that was absolutely atrocious from Arsenal. Despite the late goal there were no positives from that game, we were outplayed in every aspect of the game and deservedly lost. Boro can feel aggrieved that they only won by a single goal because the difference between the two teams was more than that. The defence were asleep today, no awareness, no reading of the game and panicking constantly. I think that is something of a one-off though because they have played well for most of the season.

The midfield is the big worry. Diarra is a decent player but him and Gilberto is a poor central midfield combination at this point in time. Gilberto looks woeful, his performance levels have dropped alarmingly this season and he has now played enough games that rustiness is not an excuse. Rosicky was alright, but not much better than mediocre, and offers the only slight hint of creativity in our current midfield. The energy and inventiveness of Flamini, Cesc and Hleb is being badly missed.

Eboue was a disgrace today. I'm frustrated and disappointed with the rest of the team because they played extremely poorly, but these things happen. Eboue spent the whole game cheating and causing trouble and it is not good enough. On principle alone he deserves to be left out of the squad for a number of games because I don't want him at the club if he is going to keep doing things like he did today.

Big improvements are needed for the Chelsea game.

Wow, what a time and match for Boro's annual Big 4 victory. In the end I don't think it's a big surprise, considering Arsenal have all 3 of their best players this season, injured.

Not even Bobby Robson would have started with eight

Oh Lordy It's Otto wrote:

Hlebanukkah wrote:
I think we can "miss Flamini" considering the central midfield performance that was shown today.

but of all the positions, you have Flamini, Silva, Diarrahea, Denílson, Song Billabong - that's deeper than any other position. I'm not buying it.

But if the backup isnt adequate then of course we're going to miss someone.
Besides, none of those players do what Flamini does so afectively.

kas wrote:Boro will be fine if Arsenal's midfield injuries continue. I reckon Reading may get something against a Liverpool team with Marseille on their minds. And I can't wait for what promises to be 90 minutes of sexy football at the Reebok on Sunday.

(anyone torturing themselves through Bolton-Wigan?)

If only I backed up the first two with my predictions

Chap wrote:

Hlebanukkah wrote:

Bullshit. Hleb, Fabregas and Flamini one man team. You take 3/4 of any teams midfield away and they'll struggle.

Flamini really shouldn't be missed - he's had a good start to the season, but Diarra is the better player. Losing Hleb wouldn't be so bad if Walcott/a real winger had started instead of Eboue. But without Fabregas there's no effective playmaker. Rosicky is out wide, Denilson hasn't fully matured.

One man team was overdoing it, but without him the passing game suffers massively.

U fail to realise it's common for a big 4 team to lose at boro? I have seen full strengths manu and chelsea sides outplayed and well beaten there. It's not an easy team to beat at home especially when they play as they did today. We managed to get a draw there last season.

We do need some extra back up in terms of creativity though. Wenger should get his cheque book out in January for a left sided midfielder.

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Sheffield gunner wrote:
Eboue was a disgrace today. I'm frustrated and disappointed with the rest of the team because they played extremely poorly, but these things happen. Eboue spent the whole game cheating and causing trouble and it is not good enough. On principle alone he deserves to be left out of the squad for a number of games because I don't want him at the club if he is going to keep doing things like he did today.

The guy is a moron.

If he concentrated on his game more instead of looking for petty arguments and causing pointless conflicts he would be some player.

Its been going on for a while now, far to long actually. Nothing seems to be done, its still going on. I would be dissapointed if the backroom staff were not talking to him about it. I'm not going to include the Barcelona dive, because lets face it most players play act these days. Its rare if they don't. The simulation of a head injury at Anfield was embaressing and the elbow to Wayne Bridges neck was pure cowardice. Its rare to have a player that you dislike at your club, he has gone that way i'm afraid.

The little kick at Pogatetz was Sunday League stuff.

Agooner wrote:

Chap wrote:

Hlebanukkah wrote:

Bullshit. Hleb, Fabregas and Flamini one man team. You take 3/4 of any teams midfield away and they'll struggle.

Flamini really shouldn't be missed - he's had a good start to the season, but Diarra is the better player. Losing Hleb wouldn't be so bad if Walcott/a real winger had started instead of Eboue. But without Fabregas there's no effective playmaker. Rosicky is out wide, Denilson hasn't fully matured.

One man team was overdoing it, but without him the passing game suffers massively.

U fail to realise it's common for a big 4 team to lose at boro? I have seen full strengths manu and chelsea sides outplayed and well beaten there. It's not an easy team to beat at home especially when they play as they did today. We managed to get a draw there last season.

I think Chelsea lost there last year and Man U have come a cropper against them. The disappointing thing is they've been so poor recently and we should have imposed ourselves early. Bit of a downer but we're still clear at the top.

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So Eboue will play against Steaua?

L'Arse wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Chap wrote:

Hlebanukkah wrote:

Bullshit. Hleb, Fabregas and Flamini one man team. You take 3/4 of any teams midfield away and they'll struggle.

Flamini really shouldn't be missed - he's had a good start to the season, but Diarra is the better player. Losing Hleb wouldn't be so bad if Walcott/a real winger had started instead of Eboue. But without Fabregas there's no effective playmaker. Rosicky is out wide, Denilson hasn't fully matured.

One man team was overdoing it, but without him the passing game suffers massively.

U fail to realise it's common for a big 4 team to lose at boro? I have seen full strengths manu and chelsea sides outplayed and well beaten there. It's not an easy team to beat at home especially when they play as they did today. We managed to get a draw there last season.

I think Chelsea lost there last year and Man U have come a cropper against them. The disappointing thing is they've been so poor recently and we should have imposed ourselves early. Bit of a downer but we're still clear at the top.

They always up their game against the big teams regardless of how $h!t they've been. It's disappointing we didn't atleast get a point..Hope we bounce back soon enough instead of letting this display affect our season. Think the match against chelsea will be a draw.

ireland red carded

f@ck defoe scores!

what a touch by malbranque in the build up to the goal