AC Milan vs. Arsenal Discussion Thread

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Vieira and Makelele do not pass the ball as well as Pirlo and they don't dictate the play of the game like Pirlo does. You're comparing apples with oranges.

shazlx wrote:No they don't have the passing range, but they can and do make diagonal balls over the pitch. And they both - on normal form - control and dictate play much better than Pirlo. Their short passing is better, they have better ball manipulation and they are more composed.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Vieira and Makelele do not pass the ball as well as Pirlo and they don't dictate the play of the game like Pirlo does. You're comparing apples with oranges.

shazlx wrote:No they don't have the passing range, but they can and do make diagonal balls over the pitch. And they both - on normal form - control and dictate play much better than Pirlo. Their short passing is better, they have better ball manipulation and they are more composed.

shazlx wrote:

Zack Thfc wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Zack Thfc wrote:

shazlx wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:Which DLPs do you rate (if any)?

I don't really watch any non top three league football but I don't really rate any that highly right now compared to real CMs - does De Rossi count? I like how Senna played a couple of years ago in the CL.

Bringing it closer to home....What do you think of Carrick and Huddlestone?

Carrick has been playing well but I don't see him controlling the midfield but rather making a lot of midfield splitting passes. To control the misfield movement is required. Against Arsenal he had Fletcher and Anderson doing the moment for him whilst he could just pass with no pressure. I like Huddlestone - great technique but he, like Pirlo, doesn't have the mobility and skill for me. I also like Lucho if he counts. Fernandes and Mikel are good prospects - they probably don't count as they can defend better than pass, but their passing is good and can learn to be better..

A good team have strikers/attacking Midfielders with exellent movements, so for them they will excel by having a DLP. Thats why the likes of Pirlo have a greater influence to the team.

With regards to Carrick, do you think Man U would have that much possession of the ball and creativity without Carrick? You say Fletcher and Anderson created the opportunity for Carrick to pass without pressure, but surely Man U would suffer without someone like a Carrick/Scholes to dictate the play deep...

Basically DLP can have a major infleunce in a game, without such dynamic movements you're talking about....I think you're under-rating it...

Of course they can. But normally they do not have the time to make those passes. If they have the time they can be amazing. If you can find me a DLP that has the skill/strength to create his own time and space then I will rate him. Just or the record I put Carrick as MOTM against Arsenal and Huddlestone as MOTM against ManU.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Vieira and Makelele do not pass the ball as well as Pirlo and they don't dictate the play of the game like Pirlo does. You're comparing apples with oranges.

shazlx wrote:No they don't have the passing range, but they can and do make diagonal balls over the pitch. And they both - on normal form - control and dictate play much better than Pirlo. Their short passing is better, they have better ball manipulation and they are more composed.

Zack Thfc wrote:DLP can be vital for the team and if they need a proper DM to give them space, than so be it...The advantages out-weighs the disadvantages....

Pierre Littbarski wrote:@ Herman - it was this or Thomas Haessler

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shazlx wrote:

Zack Thfc wrote:DLP can be vital for the team and if they need a proper DM to give them space, than so be it...The advantages out-weighs the disadvantages....

Ture, unless you have a DM who can play football and so can bring the ball out of defence and spread it out himself. Then you can have a ACM who can get on and advance the play without worrying. e.g I'd much rather have Flamini + Cesc or Yaya + Iniesta or Esiien + Scholes (could have happened) or De Rossi + Lucho (in theory) than Pirlo + Gattuso.

shazlx wrote:

Zack Thfc wrote:DLP can be vital for the team and if they need a proper DM to give them space, than so be it...The advantages out-weighs the disadvantages....

Ture, unless you have a DM who can play football and so can bring the ball out of defence and spread it out himself. Then you can have a ACM who can get on and advance the play without worrying. e.g I'd much rather have Flamini + Cesc or Yaya + Iniesta or Esiien + Scholes (could have happened) or De Rossi + Lucho (in theory) than Pirlo + Gattuso.

Herman the German wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Zack Thfc wrote:DLP can be vital for the team and if they need a proper DM to give them space, than so be it...The advantages out-weighs the disadvantages....

Ture, unless you have a DM who can play football and so can bring the ball out of defence and spread it out himself. Then you can have a ACM who can get on and advance the play without worrying. e.g I'd much rather have Flamini + Cesc or Yaya + Iniesta or Esiien + Scholes (could have happened) or De Rossi + Lucho (in theory) than Pirlo + Gattuso.

YOU MISSED BALLACK + FRINGS

shazlx wrote:

Herman the German wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Zack Thfc wrote:DLP can be vital for the team and if they need a proper DM to give them space, than so be it...The advantages out-weighs the disadvantages....

Ture, unless you have a DM who can play football and so can bring the ball out of defence and spread it out himself. Then you can have a ACM who can get on and advance the play without worrying. e.g I'd much rather have Flamini + Cesc or Yaya + Iniesta or Esiien + Scholes (could have happened) or De Rossi + Lucho (in theory) than Pirlo + Gattuso.

YOU MISSED BALLACK + FRINGS

good too.

Zack Thfc wrote:Name me a DM that can "play football" better than Pirlo? Or as creative as Pirlo? However I hear what you're saying, but deploying Pirlo/Gattuso can be just as effective, if you have the right players further up the field.

Herman the German wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Herman the German wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Zack Thfc wrote:DLP can be vital for the team and if they need a proper DM to give them space, than so be it...The advantages out-weighs the disadvantages....

Ture, unless you have a DM who can play football and so can bring the ball out of defence and spread it out himself. Then you can have a ACM who can get on and advance the play without worrying. e.g I'd much rather have Flamini + Cesc or Yaya + Iniesta or Esiien + Scholes (could have happened) or De Rossi + Lucho (in theory) than Pirlo + Gattuso.

YOU MISSED BALLACK + FRINGS

good too.

I THINK PIRLO IS A SHITTY LADYBOY WHO CANNOT PLAY FOOTBALL. HE WOULD GET MURDERED IN THE BUNDESLIGA.

Tweedle wrote:

Doubt Adebayor would want to go to Milan.

I'm fucking Glenn Hysén wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Doubt Adebayor would want to go to Milan.

did you mean to say:

I don't want Adebeyour to go to Milan

Luis wrote:I wouldn't swap Arsenal for AC Milan

I would swap London for Milan though

kas wrote:Doubt they'll sign Benzema, tbh. If anything, he'll actually be the most expensive of the 4 and the most sought after by other European clubs. Plus like someone else said, it's not Milan's style to sign yet another young player, esp. when they already have Pato and Paloschi.

Shevchenko will be easily available, and I actually feel he'll be relatively cheap. Drogba will go where Mourinho goes, and Adebayor won't leave Arsenal...Galliani is probably just on a bit of a windup mentioning his name

kas wrote:Doubt they'll sign Benzema, tbh. If anything, he'll actually be the most expensive of the 4 and the most sought after by other European clubs. Plus like someone else said, it's not Milan's style to sign yet another young player, esp. when they already have Pato and Paloschi.

Shevchenko will be easily available, and I actually feel he'll be relatively cheap. Drogba will go where Mourinho goes, and Adebayor won't leave Arsenal...Galliani is probably just on a bit of a windup mentioning his name

Kaka faces fitness race

Milan star Kaka hopes to be fit to face Arsenal in the last 16 of the UEFA Champions League.

The Brazilian playmaker has suffered a recurrence of the troublesome knee injury which saw him spend a recent spell on the sidelines.

As a precaution, Kaka came off at half-time in Milan's 2-1 victory over Palermo in Serie A on Sunday, but the Italian giants are concerned by the injury.

Kaka featured as Milan secured a 0-0 first-leg draw in the last 16 at Emirates Stadium last week and the European Cup holders will be keen to have their star player available as they bid to finish the job at the San Siro on 4th March.

However, Kaka - who will miss Milan's domestic meeting with Catania on Wednesday - has admitted his injury is worse than he first feared and that he faces a race against time to be fit in time to face the Gunners.

"It hurts a lot," Kaka told TeleLombardia.

"I hope to be fit for the Champions League match with Arsenal. I definitely won't be there against Catania."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_3195281,00.html

shazlx wrote:

Zack Thfc wrote:Name me a DM that can "play football" better than Pirlo? Or as creative as Pirlo? However I hear what you're saying, but deploying Pirlo/Gattuso can be just as effective, if you have the right players further up the field.

1. Probably none but there are better CM partnerships that can play football better than Pirlo and Gattuso. But then Pirlo isn't a DM so he would always require one and I would prefer No.5 best ACM over No.!1 best DLP.

2. If you have the right players . So you are going to buy players just to suit one player - well if you're happy to do that its up to you. DLP need 2 V good Attacking FBs that can defend competently. A hyper energetic DM, a high class Ad playmaker and a high class CM playmaker. Good luck finding all that. And when he is off form or injured the replacement will struggle because they don't have the specialist attributes to play that position effectively.

Personlly I see DLP as Failed Ad playmakers/CM playmakers or footballing DMs. Clearly Pirlo isn't the latter so I see him as the former.