Benitez top 5 errors.

1)When the fucking bitter spanish c**t decided to sell Cisse only cos France won in 1/8 vs Spain in the WC 2006!

He was so bitter toward the french that he sold Cheyrou and Cisse for ridiculous fees ! Cisse helped Liverpool to win the Cl,FA cup and supercup with wonderful goals but Liverpool fans have short memory.The guy never scored a goal according to them...
Their best striker since Owen.

2)When he bought Fowler just for being popular with Liverpool fans!

Make me laugh this story.Fowler,if you never watched him (hasn't played a lot since 10 years)well Robbie Fowler is a fat scouser and a local hero. The strange thing is that when Benitez decided to buy him he was a sub at Manchester city.Yup...Fowler was a sub at Liverpool under a great coach,Houllier.Then he was a sub at Leeds and then a sub at City but Benitez thought he was the answer to their offensive problems.You know what ? Fowler as a sub too under Benitez.

3)When Benitez told Liverpool fans they can win the league title in 2008.

This is a strange story too.Benitez is a decent coach.The only problem is that he spends a lot of money and is very lucky sometimes.Last season his team have been nothing special in the league but they were in CL final! and they deserved it! they won vs Barcelona and Chelsea...of course they lost vs a better team in final:AC Milan.

As i said in the past the CL means nothing nowaday."Big clubs" are protected in group stage and it's very simple for them to qualify for the 1/8.In fact Liverpool just won 2 games vs Barcelona and Chelsea..And they lost 2 times! but considering they have qualified for the final their fans thought their team was amazing !
Benitez told the fans he can win the league this season.And no surprise one more time Liverpool is very far behind the top 3.And now with his shitty comments he is under pressure and will be sacked soon.

4)When Benitez sold Owen.

Owen is an intelligent player.The best player in the world season 2000/2001 knew Madrid was interrested in him.But at Madrid with superstars like Ronaldo or Raul he knew he was going to play only few games with the galacticos.Difficult choice for the Liverpool striker but Benitez was the key of all that story.

Liverpool had to play a Cl game at the beginning of the season and Madrid were interrested in Owen only if the striker was available for them in the Cl.Benitez decided to put Owen on the bench and Owen was so disappointed that his decision then was easy.Liverpool lost a top foward for a ridiculous fee again.After the Cisse's injury he had to play with incredible english talent like Mellor up front.Liverpool lost a lot of points thanks to his shitty decision.


5)When Benitez wastes money and then complain!

The shitty overated manager bought a lot of expensive players during his reign (Cisse,Morientes,Garcia,Alonso,Kuyt,Crouch,Reina,Torres,babel...)
But the only prob is that he wasted a lot of money when he sold the same players.

The list is amazing...Diao,Cheyrou,Cisse,Owen,Morientes,Kirkland,Heskey,Murphy ect ect well all these international players were sold for stupid fees.

And i can't beleive he complained this season against the american generous owners...Benitez should take his responsability and to resign.

1 point of order - Crouch was not an expensive player.

Huey wrote:1 point of order - Crouch was not an expensive player.

i think he bought him for £6m or £7m FFS! CROUCH...The tall guy.

Do you realise Huey mate that only few clubs could pay that kind of fee for a normal player ? in France excepted Lyon nowadays i don't think a club could spend £7m even for a mega star!!

It is not a wind up..He wasted a lot of money.

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:

Huey wrote:1 point of order - Crouch was not an expensive player.

i think he bought him for £6m or £7m FFS! CROUCH...The tall guy.

Do you realise Huey mate that only few clubs could pay that kind of fee for a normal player ? in France excepted Lyon nowadays i don't think a club could spend £7m even for a mega star!!

It is not a wind up..He wasted a lot of money.

Crouch finished as the top scoring striker in the CL. Calling him 'the tall guy' shows that you really don't know him as a player. No coincidence that the less Crouch plays, the worse Liverpool do.

Must. Try. Harder.

Huey wrote:

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:

Huey wrote:1 point of order - Crouch was not an expensive player.

i think he bought him for £6m or £7m FFS! CROUCH...The tall guy.

Do you realise Huey mate that only few clubs could pay that kind of fee for a normal player ? in France excepted Lyon nowadays i don't think a club could spend £7m even for a mega star!!

It is not a wind up..He wasted a lot of money.

Crouch finished as the top scoring striker in the CL. Calling him 'the tall guy' shows that you really don't know him as a player. No coincidence that the less Crouch plays, the worse Liverpool do.

Must. Try. Harder.

You mean in Cl group stage he scored some goals ? and ??? What has he done vs Barca..Chelsea or Milan ?

That's why some posters like Pierre refuse to give credit to players stats until KO stage.

Arnold, Cisse was dire for us in his last season. Perhaps you didn't see many of the games, the final straw for me was his abysmal performance in the FA cup final when, as the only player on the pitch with any fitness (all the Liverpool and West Ham players were knackered) he sulked, failed to challenge for the ball and just stood on the halfway line hands on hips.

Fowler was an exceptional talent and a player that many managers have gambled on, believing they would be able to get the best out of him. With limited funds, signing him for £0 was hardly a mistake.

Why shouldn't he be ambitious enough to want to challenge for the league?

He didn't have much choice but to sell Owen, having lost McManaman on a Bosman the board were desperate not to let it happen again.

The players he sold cheaply were either 1)coming to the end of their contract 2)$h!t 3)$h!t and coming to the end of their contract

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:

Huey wrote:

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:

Huey wrote:1 point of order - Crouch was not an expensive player.

i think he bought him for £6m or £7m FFS! CROUCH...The tall guy.

Do you realise Huey mate that only few clubs could pay that kind of fee for a normal player ? in France excepted Lyon nowadays i don't think a club could spend £7m even for a mega star!!

It is not a wind up..He wasted a lot of money.

Crouch finished as the top scoring striker in the CL. Calling him 'the tall guy' shows that you really don't know him as a player. No coincidence that the less Crouch plays, the worse Liverpool do.

Must. Try. Harder.

You mean in Cl group stage he scored some goals ? and ??? What has he done vs Barca..Chelsea or Milan ?

That's why some posters like Pierre refuse to give credit to players stats until KO stage.

He played as a very late sub against Barca in the first leg, scored two versus PSV in the Q/F, didn't score against Chelsea or Milan but those three games only yielded 5 goals in total and he played less than half of the first game against Chelsea and only a small part of the final against Milan.

However, he has scored goals against Chelsea, Man and Arsenal (his hattrick against them last season shows what I'm talking about). And internationally he scored 10 goals in one calendar year around the World Cup in 2006, and made the game for us coming on as a sub against Argentina in a friendly.

Really, you must try harder. 7 million for a player of his quality is not a waste of money, and if they sold him they'd make quite a bit more than that back...

Glynn Hensen wrote:Arnold, Cisse was dire for us in his last season. Perhaps you didn't see many of the games, the final straw for me was his abysmal performance in the FA cup final when, as the only player on the pitch with any fitness (all the Liverpool and West Ham players were knackered) he sulked, failed to challenge for the ball and just stood on the halfway line hands on hips.

Fowler was an exceptional talent and a player that many managers have gambled on, believing they would be able to get the best out of him. With limited funds, signing him for £0 was hardly a mistake.

Why shouldn't he be ambitious enough to want to challenge for the league?

He didn't have much choice but to sell Owen, having lost McManaman on a Bosman the board were desperate not to let it happen again.

The players he sold cheaply were either 1)coming to the end of their contract 2)$h!t 3)$h!t and coming to the end of their contract

I don't agree about Fowler.Only his mediocrity was exceptionnal.I watched all the Liverpool games perod 1998/2005..ALL.Always been $h!t,injured or sub.

If Owen was involved in the Cl game so he had no choice excepted to stay at Liverpool and to sign an other contract with the reds.

I'm not saying Benitez shouldn't be ambitious.I'm saying he lied to Liverpool fans.He simply sold great players and bought infeiror expensive players to remplace them.Why should i praise him ?

Anyway it's my view about his work.Cisse was maybe bad but he won you the CL,Supercup and FA cup (he scored in all those games).

I rememebr in the past i wrote similar threads when Benitez was "fashion"..You just needed 3 years to realise Benitez isn't so great and wastes the money.

Huey wrote:

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:

Huey wrote:

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:

Huey wrote:1 point of order - Crouch was not an expensive player.

i think he bought him for £6m or £7m FFS! CROUCH...The tall guy.

Do you realise Huey mate that only few clubs could pay that kind of fee for a normal player ? in France excepted Lyon nowadays i don't think a club could spend £7m even for a mega star!!

It is not a wind up..He wasted a lot of money.

Crouch finished as the top scoring striker in the CL. Calling him 'the tall guy' shows that you really don't know him as a player. No coincidence that the less Crouch plays, the worse Liverpool do.

Must. Try. Harder.

You mean in Cl group stage he scored some goals ? and ??? What has he done vs Barca..Chelsea or Milan ?

That's why some posters like Pierre refuse to give credit to players stats until KO stage.

He played as a very late sub against Barca in the first leg, scored two versus PSV in the Q/F, didn't score against Chelsea or Milan but those three games only yielded 5 goals in total and he played less than half of the first game against Chelsea and only a small part of the final against Milan.

However, he has scored goals against Chelsea, Man and Arsenal (his hattrick against them last season shows what I'm talking about). And internationally he scored 10 goals in one calendar year around the World Cup in 2006, and made the game for us coming on as a sub against Argentina in a friendly.

Really, you must try harder. 7 million for a player of his quality is not a waste of money, and if they sold him they'd make quite a bit more than that back...

I'm not responsable if I say it is wasting money to buy a player £7m and to put him on the bench My comments are logic...

Cisse too scored a lot of goals for them in his second season and was regularly out of position (right winger) or sub.So what ? he was sold for a ridiculous fee to Marseille.The guy won the CL,supercup,FA cup and is a french international...

That's called waste of money.

You can try your Crouch hype 10 years.Doesn't work on me

Cisse was average for Liverpool. Do you really think that Rafa wanted to sell him just because France knocked out Spain at the WC? He is not that fool...

Owen thought that he was too good to play for Liverpool. He thought that he would never win the UCL or the EPL playing for them. He was wrong.

Benítez is a very good coach. He is having a bad season. That's it. Ancelotti, Lippi, Hiddink, Wenger, Ferguson and other great coaches also had bad seasons in the past. It doesn't mean that they are average.

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:I'm not responsable if I say it is wasting money to buy a player £7m and to put him on the bench My comments are logic...

I assure you, you are responsible for what you say. And plenty of clubs of Liverpool's financial stature have 7 million pound players on the bench some of the time.

Cisse too scored a lot of goals for them in his second season and was regularly out of position (right winger) or sub.So what ? he was sold for a ridiculous fee to Marseille.The guy won the CL,supercup,FA cup and is a french international...

That's called waste of money.

I'm not arguing about Cisse, I'm arguing about Crouch.

You can try your Crouch hype 10 years.Doesn't work on me

No hype, everything I've stated is factual.

Try harder. Come on, you can do this. I have faith in you.

Huey wrote:

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:I'm not responsable if I say it is wasting money to buy a player £7m and to put him on the bench My comments are logic...

I assure you, you are responsible for what you say. And plenty of clubs of Liverpool's financial stature have 7 million pound players on the bench some of the time.

Cisse too scored a lot of goals for them in his second season and was regularly out of position (right winger) or sub.So what ? he was sold for a ridiculous fee to Marseille.The guy won the CL,supercup,FA cup and is a french international...

That's called waste of money.

I'm not arguing about Cisse, I'm arguing about Crouch.

You can try your Crouch hype 10 years.Doesn't work on me

No hype, everything I've stated is factual.

Try harder. Come on, you can do this. I have faith in you.

try harder what mate ? i think we will not agree on Crouch end of!

You think he is great...and £7m a good price.Cool.I think it's an expensive price.That's ok or i have to try harder ?

Sorry Sheva mate..i made a long reply but my computer had prob and it was removed!

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:

Glynn Hensen wrote:Arnold, Cisse was dire for us in his last season. Perhaps you didn't see many of the games, the final straw for me was his abysmal performance in the FA cup final when, as the only player on the pitch with any fitness (all the Liverpool and West Ham players were knackered) he sulked, failed to challenge for the ball and just stood on the halfway line hands on hips.

Fowler was an exceptional talent and a player that many managers have gambled on, believing they would be able to get the best out of him. With limited funds, signing him for £0 was hardly a mistake.

Why shouldn't he be ambitious enough to want to challenge for the league?

He didn't have much choice but to sell Owen, having lost McManaman on a Bosman the board were desperate not to let it happen again.

The players he sold cheaply were either 1)coming to the end of their contract 2)$h!t 3)$h!t and coming to the end of their contract

I don't agree about Fowler.Only his mediocrity was exceptionnal.I watched all the Liverpool games perod 1998/2005..ALL.Always been $h!t,injured or sub.

If Owen was involved in the Cl game so he had no choice excepted to stay at Liverpool and to sign an other contract with the reds.

I'm not saying Benitez shouldn't be ambitious.I'm saying he lied to Liverpool fans.He simply sold great players and bought infeiror expensive players to remplace them.Why should i praise him ?

Anyway it's my view about his work.Cisse was maybe bad but he won you the CL,Supercup and FA cup (he scored in all those games).

I rememebr in the past i wrote similar threads when Benitez was "fashion"..You just needed 3 years to realise Benitez isn't so great and wastes the money.

If Owen hadn't been sold he would have left on a Bosman, are you seriosuly saying that Cheyrou and Cisse are better than Alonso and Torres? They're not. Cisse wasn't responsible for us winning those trophies. Gerrard,Smicer and Alonso scored in the CL final I don't remember Cisse's goal. Cisse scored against West Ham but did nothing else. He was very good when he came on as a sub against CSKA, against a tiring defence but his performances for us were hit and miss at best. His best performance was playing wide left vs West Ham in the league.

You're entitled to your opinion, but a lot of your facts are wrong.

My facts are great Glenn mate.Of course i'm free to think what i want btw.

Do you really think i'm going to argue 10 years with a moron if £7m if expensive or not for Crouch ? no.
Some of your comments are great...but i said since a long time Benitez is nothing special.Spends fortune,wastes a lot of money and his results don't imprees me at all.

The real thing with me is : I had a job at Louvre..then i found an other job but i decided to resign cos the ambiance wasn't good.Then i decided last week to give my candidature to a company and me and some of my friends are in their list.

the problem is that my friends have had a letter from the company TUESDAY saying they will start to work in march..me i know i'm in the list but i'm still waiting for this fucking letter! We are FRIDAY FFS.

That's why i'm here...in fact i'm just waiting for a fucking letter then bye bye.You're free to debate with the other guy if Crouch is WC or not.Not my prob

Generally Benitez bought alot of decent players but no real top class players apart from maybe Torres.

He likes to have a big squad so he'd rather have lots of good players rather than a few top class players.

What's the point in having a big squad when the players coming in for the injured or suspended are mediocre?

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:try harder what mate ?

Try harder to convince me Crouch was overpriced and a waste of money. So far your tactics have been to declare your opinions 'logic', to blather on about Cisse, and to try to dismiss all the facts showing Crouch has been good as 'hype'. Not really an argument, more a collection of statements thrown into the mix and a lot of hope that someone will buy into them.

i think we will not agree on Crouch end of!

You think he is great...and £7m a good price.Cool.I think it's an expensive price.That's ok or i have to try harder ?

No, you have to try harder. So far, you've got your ass whooped on this one as you're incapable of backing up your views in any way whatsoever.

Huey wrote:

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:try harder what mate ?

Try harder to convince me Crouch was overpriced and a waste of money. So far your tactics have been to declare your opinions 'logic', to blather on about Cisse, and to try to dismiss all the facts showing Crouch has been good as 'hype'. Not really an argument, more a collection of statements thrown into the mix and a lot of hope that someone will buy into them.

i think we will not agree on Crouch end of!

You think he is great...and £7m a good price.Cool.I think it's an expensive price.That's ok or i have to try harder ?

No, you have to try harder. So far, you've got your ass whooped on this one as you're incapable of backing up your views in any way whatsoever.

No-one is saying Crouch is Cr@p. It is a bit of a waste of money to spend 7million on a striker who spends the majority of his time on the bench though.

BoBo Vieri wrote:

No-one is saying Crouch is Cr@p. It is a bit of a waste of money to spend 7million on a striker who spends the majority of his time on the bench though.

Look at the opening post - I was disputing that Crouch was an expensive player. Of course it's a waste of time having someone you've spent solid money on sat on the bench, but he wasn't a waste of money in terms of the quality of player they got for the price.

Huey wrote:

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:try harder what mate ?

Try harder to convince me Crouch was overpriced and a waste of money. So far your tactics have been to declare your opinions 'logic', to blather on about Cisse, and to try to dismiss all the facts showing Crouch has been good as 'hype'. Not really an argument, more a collection of statements thrown into the mix and a lot of hope that someone will buy into them.

i think we will not agree on Crouch end of!

You think he is great...and £7m a good price.Cool.I think it's an expensive price.That's ok or i have to try harder ?

No, you have to try harder. So far, you've got your ass whooped on this one as you're incapable of backing up your views in any way whatsoever.

Ok you won...errr..nah.

Your "argument" for praising Crouch ( ) was his goals in CL..Then i kicked your arse telling you i don't count goals in group stage.Then you said yes but he was in the bench against Milan and Barcelona bla bla bla.Why should i count goals in group stage when Liverpool are protected and playing against inferior teams ? is it my prob if he is a bench warmer at Liverpool ? i just know he was bought £7m.

i don't know why you continue your mind game with me and with everyone.You'll win nothing against me...never.I'll never considere you as a football genius or an interresting person.Sometimes you're decent but i don't like your attempts to always provock the most popular posters.

Crouch isn't worth £7m.This isn't debatable..i already told you in the past.Remember ?

I hope all is clear now.

If you have an other point that you want to debate about Crouchy no prob.Just stop your "i'm right and i'm the best and you're crying nanana nanere" because this is nonsence.

Arnaud - I was going to put this on the Trez thread but people like Owen and Trez are yesterday's men.

Its all about:

Adebayor
Drogba
Berbatov
Ibra
K.Jones
Amauri

These type of players.

I'll say Crouch is Cr@p. He cant run for one thing and this total lack of mobility hinders any team he plays in.
Rafa has it right playing him as a super sub, he is nothing more.
on the subject of his price: 7M is not a lot in the current english market and many a worse player has gone for similar fees, spurs paid 17M for darren bent to warm their bench!
SWP 22M?
7m is not that bad for a player who will score a few goals -mostly against $h!t teams- but football is the loser in any team crouch plays in.
cant wait for him to end up at Juventus then....

Yeah, Crouch lacks pace therefore must be Cr@p.


You'd much rather have Walcott. I mean, he can't head (which Crouch can), can't pass (which Crouch can) can't control a football or finish (both of which Crouch can) but y'know, he's 'mobile' and that's just so important...

personally i'd take neither of them, a happy medium of well-rounded players please. ones who can run, yet also control the ball.
I rate Wallcocks about as highly as you do, crouch just slightly higher but still pretty low.

Huey wrote:Yeah, Crouch lacks pace therefore must be Cr@p.


You'd much rather have Walcott. I mean, he can't head (which Crouch can), can't pass (which Crouch can) can't control a football or finish (both of which Crouch can) but y'know, he's 'mobile' and that's just so important...

Don't you feel alone hey ? In your last post there is a lack of argument;You're insulting Walcott for proving Crouch is great.Poor poor attempt.Football fans prefer Walcott.True story.

I told you..Crouch is a total waste of money..And of course he isn't pacey.What is debatable again ? he isn't a good header too despite being a giant! He is..let's say..Average.Is there something else you want to learn about Peter Crouch ?

You'll surely talk about his amazing record for England then.Oki doki but what has he done in Ko stage in WC or EC and if he is so good why England will stay at home during the next summer ? ANSWER PLEASE my man!

You can continue your Crouch hype but do it with persons who will listen to you.FFS in this thread 3 persons told you that Crouch is a waste of money! and you said you kicked my arse...oh dear.Wake up........

Squad profiles


Player name: Robbie Fowler
Date of birth: 09 April, 1975
Nationality: English
Position: Striker
Height: 1.73

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Overall career totals
Apps As sub Goals Yellow Red
Total (Club) 473 (84) 216 32 2
League 376 (63) 163 27 2
FA Cup 23 (4) 16 1 0
League Cup 25 (0) 22 0 0
European/Others 49 (17) 15 4 0


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International career totals
Apps As sub Goals Yellow Red
England 26 (12) 7 1 0
England U21 8 (0) 1 0 1


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Current club totals
Apps As sub Goals Yellow Red
Total (Club) 39 (19) 12 1 0
League 30 (15) 8 1 0
FA Cup 0 (0) 0 0 0
League Cup 3 (0) 2 0 0
European/Others 6 (4) 2 0 0


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This season
Apps As sub Goals Yellow Red
Total (Club) 23 (13) 7 1 0
League 16 (10) 3 1 0
FA Cup 0 (0) 0 0 0
League Cup 3 (0) 2 0 0
European/Others 4 (3) 2 0 0


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Liverpool
Apps As sub Goals Yellow Red
Total (Club) 23 (13) 7 1 0
League 16 (10) 3 1 0
FA Cup 0 (0) 0 0 0
League Cup 3 (0) 2 0 0
European/Others 4 (3) 2 0 0


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Robbie Fowler may have wasted his talent, but he was never medicore, if Cisse has a goalscoring record anywhere close to Robbies he'll be happy

By the way relatively speaking 7 million for a player is not all that expensive, particularly when Cisse cost more than twice this figure and has the footballing intelligence of a down syndrome child

Here's my Benitez top 5 errors for this season:

1) Not signing a quality winger - whether this was down to lack of funds as he spent most of them on Torres I don't know but I just feel the Babel+Benayoun were hasty signings that tried to make up for not getting in Malouda or Simao, Benayoun is just an average player, can be good on his day but will never win you the league

2) Selling Luis Garcia - don't know if he had any option due to him being homesick but if we could have paid more for Torres and kept Garcia then we should of done that because that guy got goals and important goals/

3) Sticking with Dirk Kuyt despite him losing all confidence - the guy should be dropped lets be honest, into the reserves, how can Kuyt be played ahead of Crouch or Babel? makes no sense

4) Playing Kewell + Benayoun over Pennant - to me Pennant still can be a major success, he needs games, he needs confidence and he'll do just fine, I think everyone gives him too much stick but at least he puts effort in, far more effective than Kewell and Benayoun

5) Not starting Babel - particularly when we've been struggling, he looks like a player who can get you goals but Rafa doesn't start him and I don't understand it

Luis wrote:

5) Not starting Babel - particularly when we've been struggling, he looks like a player who can get you goals but Rafa doesn't start him and I don't understand it

you don't understand Lulu, that's a great point.

Babel doesn't start because he can't cope physically and mentally with 90 minutes, plus he is a very effective impact sub. Rafa prefers tactics to inspiration/luck