UEFA Cup draw

PSV-Getafe then

Is that really a heart on fire

26-Otto-19 wrote:$h!t

an all-German semi

Bayern-Bayer would have been an excellent final

You getting carried away there Otto son?

Senor Woody wrote:

26-Otto-19 wrote:$h!t

an all-German semi

Bayern-Bayer would have been an excellent final

You getting carried away there Otto son?

Bayern - Getafe is a formality, really

the Russians could be a stumbling block and Leverkusen are not THAT stable in Europe

still, overwhelming favourites the Germans are

@bernd

how do you rate English chances in this year's UEFA Cup

In people's list of strong to weak people actually put Getafe above Rangers this is ridiculous. Glad they got Sporting and then possibly PSV. Because these are two teams they are capable of beating.

If they make the final that shall shut a few people up

L r d wrote:In people's list of strong to weak people actually put Getafe above Rangers this is ridiculous. Glad they got Sporting and then possibly PSV. Because these are two teams they are capable of beating.

If they make the final that shall shut a few people up

I'm not sure if they will get through the tie, but Werder are a better team than Sporting, I think, and look what Rangers did to them!

And they could, as you say, beat PSV if they get through. I read that if Rangers get to the final in Manchester they will take in excess of 60,000 fans.

I actually hope they do, but we will have to wait and see.

ps Sporting looked poor against a more industrial and less experienced team than Rangers. Bolton are not as good as Rangers, and Walter seems to have the ability to get the results he needs in Europe now.

L r d wrote:In people's list of strong to weak people actually put Getafe above Rangers this is ridiculous. Glad they got Sporting and then possibly PSV. Because these are two teams they are capable of beating.

If they make the final that shall shut a few people up

oh i think the reason for that is quite simple:
Getafe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rangers

kas wrote:Semis:

Bayern/Getafe vs. Leverkusen/Zenit

Rangers/Sporting vs. Fiorentina/PSV


My predictions:

Bayern-Leverkusen
Sporting-Fiorentina

Bayern-Fiorentina

Bayern

And this is why I hope PSV can get past Viola... cause I know we'd have a pretty damn slim chance with them... Portugal v. Italia hasn't exactly been a good tie for us traditionally. (first we need to get past Rangers of course which isn't a given... but I did get 'my' favoures draw)

A Tribe Called BM wrote:La Viola get a bye all the way to the finals!

Ouch. I'm sorry you feel that way.. hopefully you're wrong... and the way things usually go with the Uefa cup (and Italians) you prob will be (nothing personal).

Sporting was poor against Bolton, away and at home, and we still beat them.

You'd think Rangers is a major force in Europe the way they've been discribed here. I'm by no means saying Sporting will walk this tie, but I'm not by any chance thinking we're out.

I'd much rather play Rangers than one of Bayern or Viola or even Getafe who play good football...and playing in Russia is never good. Other than the Gers I guess PSV would've been acceptable.

Personally, I want Rangers to think they're through to the semis already...

Luso wrote:Sporting was poor against Bolton, away and at home, and we still beat them.

You'd think Rangers is a major force in Europe the way they've been discribed here. I'm by no means saying Sporting will walk this tie, but I'm not by any chance thinking we're out.

I'd much rather play Rangers than one of Bayern or Viola or even Getafe who play good football...and playing in Russia is never good. Other than the Gers I guess PSV would've been acceptable.

Personally, I want Rangers to think they're through to the semis already...

Actually you would think Rangers were $h!t the way they have been described here by almost everyone accept two people. And you seem to be saying the exact same just the other way round with regards to Sporting so i don't know why you're trying to make out this appearence is coming across.

Rangers wanted SPorting or Getafe. Sporting wanted Rangers. What is the difference where has anybody made out they will be going through easily?

And the good football comment makes no sense. You looked $h!t against a team that plays horrible football. But looked good against Roma and Man Utd. Teams that play good football maybe suit Sporting more. Bolton's team yesterday was with almost the first 15 first team players not even travelling. Vaz Te for example hasnt played since the first day of the season. You would have expected a lot more than what Sporting showed simple as that.

1 FC Porto 22 11 1 0 25 1 6 2 2 14 6 32 54
2 Benfica 22 4 6 1 17 6 6 4 1 18 8 21 40
3 Guimaraes 22 8 2 1 14 7 3 3 5 11 16 2 38
4 Vitoria Setubal 22 6 3 2 17 9 3 7 1 13 11 10 37
5 Sporting 22 7 3 0 22 7 2 4 6 6 13 8 34
6 Belenenses 22 5 4 3 12 12 3 4 3 12 12 0 32
7 Braga 22 4 4 2 12 8 3 5 4 12 17 -1 30
8 Maritimo 22 5 2 4 13 10 4 1 6 13 13 3 30
9 Nacional 22 5 3 3 7 6 2 5 4 8 9 0 29
10 Boavista 22 5 4 2 19 15 1 6 4


1 Rangers 27 47 68
2 Celtic 28 47 65
3 Dundee Utd 30 9 46
4 Motherwell 28 6 46
5 Hibernian 29 7 44

In one cup final and another cup quarter final also as well as the uefa cup.

How can you beat the german champions the french champions. Draw with barca. Then beat werder bremen. And then not be considered good enough to beat a team currently 5th in Portugal. Sporting could well win. But of course this was a favourable draw.

I'm not entirerly sure what you just said, but that's fine.

I don't think anyone's expecting great things from Sporting on here, and I haven't claimed anything in regards to my club.

I'll repeat I don't think the Scots are known for good football, they're hardly a major force at national level and their clubs have been less successful than Portuguese clubs, without embarressing themeselves of course.

Rangers wanted Sporting, and I wanted Rangers - I'm happy. Don't think we're through yet and it's possible we won't go through at all... but this could've been much worse than Rangers.

I understand your point about the 'good' football, and completely agree Sporting plays better against quality opposition... so in that sense Rangers would appear not to be the best draw for us as again I don't think they'll have the smoothest football... but because I think we can pass the ball well hopefully that'll get us past their more industrial approach... and if they want to play more that's even better for Sporting as it'll open up space for us...as was the case against Bolton... we scored once they actually tried to play football and not just punt the ball.

Two interesting matches to come against Rangers and I hope we come out on top.

Senor Woody wrote:To PSV and their Hungarian left footer Draw Bayern please, that would be some game

Great talent indeed.... It is good to see finally a great Hungarian talent!

Easy predicting this time. These are the only correct picks!

Bayer Leverkusen (Dui) -
Sporting Lissabon (Por)
Bayern München (Dui)
PSV

L r d wrote:1 FC Porto 22 11 1 0 25 1 6 2 2 14 6 32 54
2 Benfica 22 4 6 1 17 6 6 4 1 18 8 21 40
3 Guimaraes 22 8 2 1 14 7 3 3 5 11 16 2 38
4 Vitoria Setubal 22 6 3 2 17 9 3 7 1 13 11 10 37
5 Sporting 22 7 3 0 22 7 2 4 6 6 13 8 34
6 Belenenses 22 5 4 3 12 12 3 4 3 12 12 0 32
7 Braga 22 4 4 2 12 8 3 5 4 12 17 -1 30
8 Maritimo 22 5 2 4 13 10 4 1 6 13 13 3 30
9 Nacional 22 5 3 3 7 6 2 5 4 8 9 0 29
10 Boavista 22 5 4 2 19 15 1 6 4


1 Rangers 27 47 68
2 Celtic 28 47 65
3 Dundee Utd 30 9 46
4 Motherwell 28 6 46
5 Hibernian 29 7 44

In one cup final and another cup quarter final also as well as the uefa cup.

How can you beat the german champions the french champions. Draw with barca. Then beat werder bremen. And then not be considered good enough to beat a team currently 5th in Portugal. Sporting could well win. But of course this was a favourable draw.

I'm beggining to think you're more blue than red there lrd.
I've never said Rangers can't beat Sporting, I just think we have just as much chance as they do.

They're having a good domestic campaign, great for them; we're not and we're still here. We've won the Super Cup against Porto, we're in the League Cup final, Semi finals of the Portuguese Cup and now the 1/4s of Uefa...we've been good in the cups.

Our current 5th place hasn't been a constant affair this year as we've bounced between 2-3rd for some time and only recently dropped after lossing away. In any event, it's irrelevant as this same club has done well in Europe this far, if anything it shows our league is getting stronger as Sporting is 5th, doing well in Europe and other clubs are pushing us (and Benfica) all the way for the top spots.

Under this rationale if Sporting are to beat Rangers it could very well mean 5th place in Portugal is better than 1st in Scottland... which I'm not about to claim.

Ricardo Jol wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:To PSV and their Hungarian left footer Draw Bayern please, that would be some game

Great talent indeed.... It is good to see finally a great Hungarian talent!

maybe they're finally recovering from that 6-0 trashing by Russia at the 1986 WC. Thereafter Hungarian footy completely collapsed.

Dszdszk is the best Hungarian since Joszef Kiprich

He he our lovely Jozef... what happened to him?

Rangers will win

Ricardo Jol wrote:He he our lovely Jozef... what happened to him?

Last I heard of him he's youth manager at Ujpest Dosza (used to be a great club) & Feyenoord's scout in Hungary. Haven't seen any Hungarian at Feyenoord yet.

Would make sense if Feyenoord invested a little and take over / a share in that academy. Hungary always had players with good skills even when the national team weren't performing. Imo they have the potential to be as good as Serbia or Croatia. Pity it's a an organisational mess overthere.

De Guzman wrote:Joszef Kiprich

De Tovenaar van Tatabanja

Great guy, brilliant nickname

Axeslammer wrote:

De Guzman wrote:Joszef Kiprich

De Tovenaar van Tatabanja

Great guy, brilliant nickname

It was on the tip of my tongue but I couldn´t remember his nickname.... Thanks for refreshing my goldfish memory....

As has been shown by both Bremen and Atletico, giving bus parking sides the lead in the first leg isn't advisable. Providing Sporting escape with a draw, preferably a score draw, they should go through.

Considering we could've been forced to play Atletico or Bremen by now, I can't help but think we've had some luck in having faced Bolton and now Rangers... even if the Scots beat the Germans. Just as if PSV beat Fiorentina ppl will still be claiming the Italians to be the better side, I'm taking the same approach with these Gers.

I only hope we have a full and healthy squad to face them.

Seems Bolton's backing Rangers to knock-out Sporting. I'm hoping their scoutting and opinion on Sporitng is reflected in their inaccuracy... they've claimed we lack experience as our captain is only 19... that couldn't be further from the truth however... my man Moutinho is actually 21 ...so haha Bolton! The joke's on you... and hopefully Rangers!

Luso wrote:Considering we could've been forced to play Atletico or Bremen by now, I can't help but think we've had some luck in having faced Bolton and now Rangers... even if the Scots beat the Germans. Just as if PSV beat Fiorentina ppl will still be claiming the Italians to be the better side, I'm taking the same approach with these Gers.

I only hope we have a full and healthy squad to face them.

I'd fully expect you to knock Rangers out. Much depends on the Ibrox leg of course; score an away goal there and they'll struggle.

It’s actually a misconception to suggest that Rangers are merely long-ball merchants. At times, when it is in their interests to do so, they are capable of passing the ball around adequately. Away from home they revert to the tactic that has generally served them well: defend, defend, and defend some more.

They have some good ball-playing players. Hemdani is great on the ball, and he is more than comfortable at distributing the ball. Barry Ferguson can pass the ball around when he is on form. Last night he wasn’t and, as a consequence, his passing was wayward. Steve Davis is technically sound. Did you see him beating three Werder players simultaneously with a double drag-back?

But when they are outplayed in midfield, they tend to play the ball in a direct manner. Last night, however, they didn’t have a target man to aim for, so they tried to pass it about. It only worked towards the game’s conclusion.

ps I agree with LRD. Werder only had two good chances out of the dozens of long-shots that they fired in, and even then, most of their shots were straight at McGregor. Rangers deserved to progress, I think.

The Quiet Earth wrote:It’s actually a misconception to suggest that Rangers are merely long-ball merchants. At times, when it is in their interests to do so, they are capable of passing the ball around adequately. Away from home they revert to the tactic that has generally served them well: defend, defend, and defend some more.

They have some good ball-playing players. Hemdani is great on the ball, and he is more than comfortable at distributing the ball. Barry Ferguson can pass the ball around when he is on form. Last night he wasn’t and, as a consequence, his passing was wayward. Steve Davis is technically sound. Did you see him beating three Werder players simultaneously with a double drag-back?

But when they are outplayed in midfield, they tend to play the ball in a direct manner. Last night, however, they didn’t have a target man to aim for, so they tried to pass it about. It only worked towards the game’s conclusion.

ps I agree with LRD. Werder only had two good chances out of the dozens of long-shots that they fired in, and even then, most of their shots were straight at McGregor. Rangers deserved to progress, I think.

Rangers do have some talented players, unfortunately for those purists of the game, Smith doesn't like using them. Burke is a handful for any defender, as he proved in Rangers CL run a couple of seasons back, and Naismith is a technically astute striker - but both hardly feature in Europe. McGregor is a fantastic player, but as for back-pass Barry, he is incredibly overrated, and tends to go missing against the bigger sides.

I would have liked Bremen to go through yesterday, and I shall be rooting for Sporting too. f@ck the coefficient.

What was the Rangers goalie up to last night? He kicked about 5 goal kicks in a row straight out of play.

Murray wrote:What was the Rangers goalie up to last night? He kicked about 5 goal kicks in a row straight out of play.

Duno, didn't really watch the game properly. I think he's a top class keeper though. Better than Gordon.